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Hmmm
... you must be very wealthy or maybe so happy to be here that you will accept anything these guys give you and say nothing!
Your knowledge of Europe seems very limited...please elaborate which pilots are suffering?
EK manage to put some FOREX protection in place for many nationalities not just Europeans... why cant EY?
You are either not grasping what people are saying or you dont want to face up to the real facts in EY....
....remove the rose tinted Hogan glasses!
As for Maids most of us cant afford to have one!
... you must be very wealthy or maybe so happy to be here that you will accept anything these guys give you and say nothing!Your knowledge of Europe seems very limited...please elaborate which pilots are suffering?
EK manage to put some FOREX protection in place for many nationalities not just Europeans... why cant EY?
You are either not grasping what people are saying or you dont want to face up to the real facts in EY....
....remove the rose tinted Hogan glasses!As for Maids most of us cant afford to have one!
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Please check your language when you talk to me, I believe I'm talking to gentlemen and in a forum different opinions can be shared. So no more F... word, thank you.
I have a quite good experience of Europe because it is where I've been flying for years, and it's also where I'm currently sitting. Pilots not suffering ? Well, small operators are sometimes paying FOs 1500 euros a month, and it's not so easy to get a job, even with over 2000 turbine experience.
I recently lost a friend who was struggling for 10 years to get a nice one, and he had no other choice than flying free lance silly medical flights, and that killed him in a very sad crash. I have other friends here in France who had to do dangerous and really underpaid jobs. They were not complaining. They were humbles doing the right stuff to feed their family and live their aviator's dreams. I respect those people, who can still appreciate what really matters in life.
So if your are so much unhappy and that European pilots are so happy, why don't you get a better job over here ?
I'm not in my wonderland. I'm making the choice to move in DXB because my family life is there. Stop complaining, I've been living for years on a 2000 euros salary and still could afford to fly to DX every 2 month to spend sometime with my beloved. As you can see, I wouldn't mind to get half of your salaries, it still would be twice my current one.
You made a choice moving there, and now it's maybe no more worth according to your requirements. It's not EY's fault, it's just too bad fr you, and I'm really sorry for that. But you cannot ask for an increase as if it was justice.
Simply answer my question please. Is there ANY US airline increasing salaries for their European expat pilots ? Please take some time to consider this question.
Why European pilots of UAE airlines are claiming it while none is asking it in the US ? Maybe because in the US they may risk to loose their jobs...
Who is finally living in the wonderland ?
I have a quite good experience of Europe because it is where I've been flying for years, and it's also where I'm currently sitting. Pilots not suffering ? Well, small operators are sometimes paying FOs 1500 euros a month, and it's not so easy to get a job, even with over 2000 turbine experience.
I recently lost a friend who was struggling for 10 years to get a nice one, and he had no other choice than flying free lance silly medical flights, and that killed him in a very sad crash. I have other friends here in France who had to do dangerous and really underpaid jobs. They were not complaining. They were humbles doing the right stuff to feed their family and live their aviator's dreams. I respect those people, who can still appreciate what really matters in life.
So if your are so much unhappy and that European pilots are so happy, why don't you get a better job over here ?
I'm not in my wonderland. I'm making the choice to move in DXB because my family life is there. Stop complaining, I've been living for years on a 2000 euros salary and still could afford to fly to DX every 2 month to spend sometime with my beloved. As you can see, I wouldn't mind to get half of your salaries, it still would be twice my current one.
You made a choice moving there, and now it's maybe no more worth according to your requirements. It's not EY's fault, it's just too bad fr you, and I'm really sorry for that. But you cannot ask for an increase as if it was justice.
Simply answer my question please. Is there ANY US airline increasing salaries for their European expat pilots ? Please take some time to consider this question.
Why European pilots of UAE airlines are claiming it while none is asking it in the US ? Maybe because in the US they may risk to loose their jobs...
Who is finally living in the wonderland ?
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They also are expats
I repeat my question: have you heard of ANY US company raising salaries of European expats ? Of course NO. National employees have been raised. So what?
Are you jealous because this government is doing things yours couldn't? The situation is bad for all of us, and expat pilots are not suffering more than Pakistanis or Philippians. You have a salary, a family life, and not so bad working conditions. I am not gonna blame you. Many pilots in Europe are suffering a lot more, don't forget it please, because it is hard to read it. For your information, food in Choitram is costing exactly like in France, and salaries are half of yours (for those who have the job).
You are not loosing everything, just some of the privileges you had for few years. And please, if you didn't increase your maid, don't come here to complain.
or you are just trying to pick up a fight hiding behind senseless words.
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Ahhh I get it now! I was trying to figure out what the major problem was and how it is effecting workers. Now it is clear that many are still carrying debt loads back in their home country so if one were making $8000 US per month last year and only $7000 per month this yr for the same amount of work then it becomes real clear.
I was thinking that the overall costs of food product rose in the UAE by 75% which is outrageous but I guess it can happen. Here is a question which would help most of us on the outside really understand the issue. What does the average Etihad family with two children spend in a month not counting your home country expenses? Food, electricity, water, activities for the children, fuel and insurance for your auto in the UAE.
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I was thinking that the overall costs of food product rose in the UAE by 75% which is outrageous but I guess it can happen. Here is a question which would help most of us on the outside really understand the issue. What does the average Etihad family with two children spend in a month not counting your home country expenses? Food, electricity, water, activities for the children, fuel and insurance for your auto in the UAE.
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Just out of interest why do some company's offer ERP?
Is this just a throwback to past years when recruitment was a problem?
I'm not aware of ERP being offered in any other region, if you choose to live/work in a foreign country then you generally get the T&C's for that country - what is different about the ME?
Is this just a throwback to past years when recruitment was a problem?
I'm not aware of ERP being offered in any other region, if you choose to live/work in a foreign country then you generally get the T&C's for that country - what is different about the ME?
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The companies who have a genuine desire to try and keep staff and protect the remuniration package have put ERP protection in place.
The actual T&Cs have been accepted by those who join.
The weak dollar has drastically reduced the salary we signed up for, and I appreciate that is our problem, however the decent airlines have attempted to help the employees....that does not include EY!
Over the last 2 years or so we have taken about a 20% pay cut due to the dollar, it is now at a stage where it is no longer worth working here, even paying tax in Europe we would be better off....thats why folks are complaining and looking elsewhere.
It would be impossible to give an average monthly outgoing for a family, it really depends what kind of lifestyle you want, what school you use (if you can get in!!) etc etc.....despite what you hear inflation affects prices on almost a monthly basis.
And despite all this Hogan broadcasts that we will waste several million on F1....the guy is clueless...
The actual T&Cs have been accepted by those who join.
The weak dollar has drastically reduced the salary we signed up for, and I appreciate that is our problem, however the decent airlines have attempted to help the employees....that does not include EY!
Over the last 2 years or so we have taken about a 20% pay cut due to the dollar, it is now at a stage where it is no longer worth working here, even paying tax in Europe we would be better off....thats why folks are complaining and looking elsewhere.
It would be impossible to give an average monthly outgoing for a family, it really depends what kind of lifestyle you want, what school you use (if you can get in!!) etc etc.....despite what you hear inflation affects prices on almost a monthly basis.
And despite all this Hogan broadcasts that we will waste several million on F1....the guy is clueless...
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Back to the thread -
Having just watched the Melbourne F1 race, gotta say - it was pretty damn hard to spot Etihad on the car....the rear wing is one of the primo spots for sponsors, and its what EY have paid for, its however on the back side of the rear wing and not the front....doesn't make for good exposure as not many camera shots are rear on.
Many front on shots of cars coming down the pit straight in sequence, with their respective sponsors clearly catching valuable camera time. The Ferrari's by contrast, nothing seen. blank. zip
marketing blunder, or money well spent?
Having just watched the Melbourne F1 race, gotta say - it was pretty damn hard to spot Etihad on the car....the rear wing is one of the primo spots for sponsors, and its what EY have paid for, its however on the back side of the rear wing and not the front....doesn't make for good exposure as not many camera shots are rear on.
Many front on shots of cars coming down the pit straight in sequence, with their respective sponsors clearly catching valuable camera time. The Ferrari's by contrast, nothing seen. blank. zip
marketing blunder, or money well spent?
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When you are sent abroad by a company based in your home country, it is of course its responsibility to support any changes of the cost of life in the new country you've been sent to.
When you move on purpose into a foreign state to work for a local company, even if you don't plan to stay forever, you are an immigrant, and your employer shouldn't have any responsibility towards you based one the country you are coming from.
EY will still be able to find hundreds of motivated pilots, why would they have to obey to all their employed immigrants ? EK did it ? Fine, they are hiring.
When you move on purpose into a foreign state to work for a local company, even if you don't plan to stay forever, you are an immigrant, and your employer shouldn't have any responsibility towards you based one the country you are coming from.
EY will still be able to find hundreds of motivated pilots, why would they have to obey to all their employed immigrants ? EK did it ? Fine, they are hiring.
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Paid millions to have the EY logo on the car and nobody can see it. Typical EY management stupidity. Hogie paid millions of EY dollars just so he and the ' zeros' can get free F1 seats !
. Typical EY management stupidity. Hogie paid millions of EY dollars just so he and the ' zeros' can get free F1 seats !
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The Sponsor was intended for the rear of the rear wing.. I agree who d hell's gonna see it!!
I suppose the bloke who's running a bit late behind the Feeerraarrii
I suppose the bloke who's running a bit late behind the Feeerraarrii
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syspanis, don't forget that the airline we're talking about is owned by the same government that just raised its local employees 70% due to inflation and loss of purchasing power. If your local Western gov would do that, they'd be taken to court (rightly so!). You think we have a good deal? It feel off the skies? The guys that come here have paid their dues and had the 2,5, 10, sometimes 15 years of crap pay and furloughs before getting that break. You're not helping anyone, including yourself.
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If you pay $130 million (60 million pounds) to have your name on wing of the car that comes last, how much do you have to pay to put it on the car that comes first???
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I assume that everybody who asks for a pay increase because they are being hammered by the weak USD, will be asking for a pay decrease when the USD strengthens again? Is it only the Europeans that should get ERP?
Was the promised salary in AED or in another currency? What does the employment contract say? Again, if the forex goes the other way, a pay decrease would then be in order?
XYZ should protect the 'promised' salary in accrdance with forex fluctuations to 'protect' the employee!!
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It would appear that I don't get this "it". If you want the company to protect you from forex fluctuations, what else must they protect you from. Stock market crashes? Dip in gold futures? Badly performing pension funds?
I'll ask again: What if the EUR/GBP weakens against the USD? Then what?
I'll ask again: What if the EUR/GBP weakens against the USD? Then what?