Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Worldwide > Middle East
Reload this Page >

Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Middle East Many expats still flying in Knoteetingham. Regional issues can be discussed here.

Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)

Old 25th Aug 2015, 10:19
  #8161 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: ...
Posts: 5
Long Wait

Went for the interview On Jan 15 waited for the reply 6 months.Passed! Put in the pool and told to be wait.
studentpilotC172 is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 10:41
  #8162 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: Global
Posts: 96
Leemankin,

I was told contract offer within two weeks from the phone call. As for now I just had to fill an online form with details I believe they should already have.. I am taking it with philosophy, I am not in a hurry.
If I get it I'll let you know.
Southpole is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 11:32
  #8163 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Latam
Posts: 9
Anna 452 cut the Crap

This is the Global website and still shows the vacancy for pilots, They will never stop interviewing, they don't care about giving you a ticket to the pool for 12 months and then have you reaply, what it may happen soon is that they will raise their minimum flight hours and stop the DEC. (at least for wide body)

Qatar Airways Careers - Current Opportunities

Btw, a good friend of mine who assisted interview in May, got an email From HR saying that he was going to be on the Pool for a long time, cause they are only calling TYPE Rated FOs on the B777, Airbus has a different game.

N1
N1LNAVVNAV is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 11:59
  #8164 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Doha
Age: 9
Posts: 419
I think your contract will say along the lines that Qatar Airways can at anytime change you to any fleet we operate at anytime due to Commercial reasons if needed. It does not happen often, but can.


So think about the following


1 Do you want to work for Qatar Airways


2 Do you need this job


3 Are you prepared to fly any aircraft we operate from 320 to 380s


If your coming here because you want to get a rating only, and not because you want to work here, then maybe you're not the right person for the job.


Again, I will say this


Many here are very happy and cant be bothered to waste time reading half the crap posted here nor comment.


Some here on the 320 fleet are very happy and don't want fleet change believe it or not. So thinking wide body pilots have the best lifestyle etc may not be the case. I am not saying their lifestyle is bad, but what I am saying is there are many on the 320 who are happy and do not want fleet change.


Doha is not Dubai or Abu Dhabi and some actually like it that way. If you want to live in Dubai or Abu Dhabi, then apply there, shut up slagging Doha off and give it a rest. What's more important to you, being happy where you live, happy in work or happy family. If you're in a position to be offered a job at all 3 carriers, lucky you. Do your research well. Must add, I wonder how many threads are on this forum about Qatar Airways, Emirates and that airline that is so wonderful to work for I cant mention its name.


Some here are so glad they don't work for the 2 other Gulf carries and are happy to stay. Some have left for the unnamed airline and are happy, some applied to come back. All depends on the individual.


If you are thinking of coming here just because you want the type rating, and have been lucky enough to have been offered a job, then good for you, but be prepared to fly any of the aircraft we operate just in case they change you after you arrive. It does not happen often, but has happened in the past. You could simply refuse it and argue the case and if that does not work, take it or leave it. Again, must highlight it does not happen often, but your contract will say it may. This is just in case they have to.


As for the office staff. They are just doing their job and there is no untowards, as in dangling a carrot just to get you here. They will e-mail you and tell you the fleet they are genuinely assigning you. They will not dangle a carrot just to get you here.


Go to work, do your job, smile, be stable at 1000 feet, go home "It couldn't be simpler" dot.com


One last thing to remember. This forum is read daily by our company


Good luck to all.


Regards BB

Last edited by Black Pudding; 25th Aug 2015 at 16:24. Reason: For poor grammer. My English is poor
Black Pudding is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 13:24
  #8165 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 5
A wonderful post BB!
oneworld787 is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 13:47
  #8166 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Yorktown
Posts: 33
Black pudding,
Good point and advice well taken....any other takers on the issue? Everyone applying for QR I guess would be happy to hear some other comments.
I believe, we need to hear the pros and cons, to as many Pilots as we can, some wouldn't probably mind giving a few minutes of their time. Again appreciate each and every comment, good or bad.
Southpole,
Thanks for the info, and I would say, it's really good you have a lot of patience....I just hope I'll have the same...happy flying though.
Leemankin is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 14:48
  #8167 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 6
N1LNAVVNAV i didnt post about pilots. This link i posted above, they have written the job grades for each position. While in the original Qatar career site, they havnt written the grades. I thought thats pretty interesting to take a look at, for regardless position.
Anna452 is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 15:14
  #8168 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Mountain View
Posts: 112
BP,
Spot on.
Do the work, get paid. I like the job, mostly.

Works for me and my family, doesn't work for some others and thier families. Such are the times we live in.

Bottom line is, go into whatever job you take in whatever part of this globe with your eyes open, wide.

... And not based primarily on what you read on Internet forums FFS.
WrldWide is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 15:43
  #8169 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: india
Posts: 5
Leemankin if you don't mind me asking what aircraft you flying at present…and what fleet you applied for thanks…..

Any non type rated skippers got call for A320 position recently who interviewed in Feb 2015.. just curious to know as I applied for the same and since then in holding pool….
anilrawat is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 17:25
  #8170 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 177
Until you don't need an exit permit to be "allowed " to leave the place ...you are a slave ! Nothing more ,nothing less...they just throw more Riyals at you to feel good . Conditions only improve when they can't find enough Guys to fill the seats . The country is sh*t and due to the World cup finally are pretending to address human right issues .Who knows what you will get when the midget cleanses the Flight ops management again . How many times have the management been "reassigned " . How recent was the last cleansing?

Amazing how the hopefuls just suck it up when someone posts a positive spin , do you all think that so many negative posts are BS ? Some are happy , some are trapped for various reasons ...some just don' t have options . But there is good and bad ...buyer beware !
So yes , things may have improved , but in QR you are just one management change away from whats under the glitter .
Stone_cold is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 18:51
  #8171 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Mountain View
Posts: 112
Stonecold,
If you honestly think pilot labour is more "valued" and uhm, "appreciated" in other parts of the world, I have some "investments" you may be interested in.
WrldWide is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 20:16
  #8172 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 177
But in other parts of the world , everyone ...including pilot's have legal recourse and cannot be held in a country except for legal , read court , action , not because your company's immigration department can revoke your freedom ticket at will , but pay your QR500 and assume that you can leave anytime ...just a click away .

BTW , I never said anything about being appreciated or valued !

You didn't answer , how often do they fire the management ? If the management have no job security , what does that say for the troops .

As for the country , how many Mall fires ? How many kids died in Villagio where the owner was found responsible , yet is still free , for example ??
Stone_cold is offline  
Old 25th Aug 2015, 23:46
  #8173 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Over my Head
Posts: 125
But in other parts of the world , everyone ...including pilot's have legal recourse and cannot be held in a country except for legal , read court , action , not because your company's immigration department can revoke your freedom ticket at will , but pay your QR500 and assume that you can leave anytime ...just a click away .
Other parts of the world, but not all. As pilots we are exposed to the national laws where the accident occurs. You may have an issue if you have an accident in Doha just as like any other carrier.

Shouldn't get sucked into this but the reference to the Villagio disaster is just sickening as related to this thread and it is depressing just remembering that day. It has no direct relevance to working here and as a direct result of this terrible event there have been major improvements in facility standards and checking. This is NOT a western court system here. This is NOT a western country. Or would you like to discuss the American justice system, the OJ Simpson trial perhaps, or maybe the case of former President Nixon?

Scroll up, read Black Pudding's excellent post, make up your own mind.
Flytdeck is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2015, 09:37
  #8174 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Yorktown
Posts: 33
Anilrawat,
I' ll PM you.
gents,
I guess I have the answers I need to hear, thanks for pitching in. Really hard this days to get the things you want it an airline. Bottom line is, still up to our needs or wants, plus our family's also. Great posts everyone....keep calm and happy flyin.
I' ll just decide when the time comes...
Leemankin is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2015, 13:27
  #8175 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Space
Posts: 24
Hi

Originally Posted by Leemankin View Post
Anilrawat,
I' ll PM you.
gents,
I guess I have the answers I need to hear, thanks for pitching in. Really hard this days to get the things you want it an airline. Bottom line is, still up to our needs or wants, plus our family's also. Great posts everyone....keep calm and happy flyin.
I' ll just decide when the time comes...
Hey plz PM me also with all the relevant information.

Kind regards,
Dking737
Dking737 is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2015, 17:43
  #8176 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 177
Not relevant ! It happened in Qatar and newbies should know what [email protected] goes on there . Put your head in the sand ..The salient point was that there still has been no justice !! And major improvements , you forget the most recent mall fire ..??Fire ravages Doha's Mall of Asia shopping centre - ArabianBusiness.com .You are a joke ...maybe a recruiter or the management that BP refers to who is monitoring the site ...or just a kiss a$$ informant .

What about the f/o and his family in the desert ,,,no relevance??? Keep drinking the qoolaid .

And in relation to laws , I am not referring to accident jurisdiction . I am referring to medieval ME shariah BS .

Again , do the flight ops management get fired with alarming regularity . OF, AQ, AAF, JE...to name a few ..??

So you admit it is not a western system , so give the newbies the full story .

As for 13-14 year pilots on the 320 ...yeah , right ...Pilot's with three digit seniority on the 320 ..unless demoted ( entirely possible ) , or as instructors...even then ...HF is the only one that comes to mind .
Stone_cold is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2015, 19:25
  #8177 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Europe
Posts: 6
WrldWide well said i have also heard positive stories from others in Qatar
Anna452 is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2015, 20:19
  #8178 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Over my Head
Posts: 125
Not relevant ! It happened in Qatar and newbies should know what [email protected] goes on there . Put your head in the sand ..The salient point was that there still has been no justice !! And major improvements , you forget the most recent mall fire ..??Fire ravages Doha's Mall of Asia shopping centre - ArabianBusiness.com .You are a joke ...maybe a recruiter or the management that BP refers to who is monitoring the site ...or just a kiss a$$ informant .
Mr. Stoned:

It is depressing getting sucked into these raves and I really should know better. Is it really the best you can do to suppose because the reason and logic behind a reasonable response cannot be refuted that it must come from some evil doppelganger? Sad. (did I just call management an evil doppelganger? I am so going to burn...)

You are pointing toward isolated domestic accidents and attempting to apply them to expatriate working conditions. Separate your rhetoric to legal, political and humanitarian issues and refrain from using such sad occurrences as the Villagio catastrophe to support your vindictive points. This tragedy should and never will be forgotten and remember, this is not a western country and justice here takes a very different form. There are worse things than jail. Using this event to attempt to support your argument is just wrong.

Expanding on that reference, this country is NOT a jail. You may not have noticed, but when entering or leaving most countries these days, you must pass through immigration/emigration. What could go wrong? If you have committed a crime and try to leave the country you may have a problem even in the USA and Canada where airlines must check your passports and TRANSFER THE INFORMATION TO THE FEDERAL AUTHORITIES! Drive across the border? Same thing. Not so different from living here EXCEPT that the employers have some say over whether you may leave or not. If you have completed your contract then there is no contest. Some pilots, of course, elect to remain abroad and not return from a flight.

We do enjoy several beverages here but "qoolaid"? Is this a unique blend of refined paranoia?

Possibly you believe this is an archaic system of justice compared to Western Law? Honestly, do you believe anyone can possibly be in a position to judge who is right or wrong. It mostly depends on your social and moral upbringing combined with a bit of religious relevance. All are subjective and possibly you are right, possibly you are wrong. Those coming to work here will be aware that this is a Muslim country. Why carry on about it? Newbies are not stupid.

Not complaining about the management shuffle. It things keep improving then I support it. I only am concerned when the safety management teams are impacted and to this point they have remained intact. There are some good people in there (mostly). The one aspect of management shuffles that irritates me is that most people have to place their own stamp on operations which tends to generate many pointless revisions. I HATE pointless revisions.

Not sure about your A320 references of HF? Enlighten please.

As mentioned before, scroll up to Black Pudding's message. There is enough there to assist with the decision process. Your posts, to me, just weave a fragile thread to the dark side without full consideration.
Flytdeck is offline  
Old 26th Aug 2015, 21:07
  #8179 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sandpit
Posts: 177
Point 1. You agree that the employer has "some" control over emigration issues ..laughable! It is quite different , my employer cannot detain me in the country without a court issued order . Are you trying to deny that QR can simply choose to deny you permission to leave , nothing to do with any law of the land ? Are you saying that for example , a crew was under investigation for an inflight turnback due to inability to get a reasonable flight level ,(there was no danger to the flight , it just resulted in delays) , could a north american company prevent you from leaving or crossing the border ?? Could this request even make it to border control?With this beautiful ( some control ) system , QR can initiate this themselves without any input from the Country's legal or immigration departments ! I think that is a significant difference .

Point 2 . You stated.. many measures and improvements ..,I just provided a later example. Your fellow pilots family could be affected and should know . Where are the improvements ? Same improvements which dictate that it is illegal to withhold employee passports ( law since ~ 2008/2009) , but it is reported that some ( 90% ?)employers still do this with impunity . ( not a QR issue ..moreso at the level of the unfortunate labourers) .

Point 3 . There was also a fire/explosion at one of the Company compounds with a worker seriously injured ..quality workmanship and qualified workers .

Mother complained about air conditioning unit that 'caused Qatar villa fire' before blaze | Daily Mail Online

Fire at Qatar Foundation continues to smolder 12 hours later - Doha News

Doha mall roof collapses injuring shoppers - ArabianBusiness.com

Seems like fires are very isolated.

It's refreshing that you have a positive spin on everything ..for the sake of balance ..I don't . Flight operation management changes averaging every 6 months to a year for the last decade ???Obviously it has been for the better , it certainly provides continuity , right ?

Qoolaid ..qatari koolaid .

Newbies may not be stupid , but they certainly don't know all the gotchas . Like the f/o who spent a year without a place to live , fired from QR , unable to leave because he had an outstanding property loan . They may not be aware that the banks throw money at you , but if the **** hits the fan , they want their money , there is no such concept as collateral , Cars ,property ...it's all yours once you sign . You cannot say oops Mr. Bank ,I lost my job and can't make the payments , so here is your property . Go to jail , do not pass go ...do not collect $200 ..Apologies if you never played monopoly as a kid .

As many state , many like it ...many get by quite well ....It doesn't mean that the dark side does not exist . So both sides be told !
Stone_cold is offline  
Old 27th Aug 2015, 01:16
  #8180 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Everywhere
Age: 45
Posts: 42
DEC Type Rated Boeing

Hi guys,

I applied last may to DEC position but still no news, my status says "new". Does anybody know something about this, any date to restart the calling?


Good flights and blue skies.
dieana is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.