Joining Qatar Airways (QR) - all you need to know about it (threads merged)
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Hi Smirnoff,good on you.Like you said,good experience has given you the opportunites,you deserve it!I liked flying with you, best german ive met so far!!
Lulu,dont think QR is comparable to EK/EY in terms of FD quality etc,you are flying for the sediment equivalent of airlines ie the bottom,held in lower regard to the low costs. QR is well known to be made up of the rejects of EY/EK etc. Just remember where you live too, Doha!! Just let it be,these guys left to get an guaranteed position rather than wait their turn in the queue and leave future to fate..a logical decision. Remember,they can still consider ME in the future anyway which means they have more choice. End result better, its market forces and just looking at Smirnoff incredibly hes got 2 DEC jobs at once, now in Europe and later ASia.
Lulu,dont think QR is comparable to EK/EY in terms of FD quality etc,you are flying for the sediment equivalent of airlines ie the bottom,held in lower regard to the low costs. QR is well known to be made up of the rejects of EY/EK etc. Just remember where you live too, Doha!! Just let it be,these guys left to get an guaranteed position rather than wait their turn in the queue and leave future to fate..a logical decision. Remember,they can still consider ME in the future anyway which means they have more choice. End result better, its market forces and just looking at Smirnoff incredibly hes got 2 DEC jobs at once, now in Europe and later ASia.
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N21,
I understand your optimism and many of your points are correct. However, so typical for someone who has chosen his path, you try to change the picture by adding some negativity to the QR side and adding positivity to the AA side.
This is normal, you are human after all (even after 4 years in QR
)
Lets see.....
1) 5 years minimum towards command upgrade in QR is true/ DEC A320 at AA only for few positions and will not last for ever.
2) Only when just joining QR without TR you will be bonded. All other bonds are gone in QR (fleet transfers and upgrades)
3) Upgrade only on A320 is true and in all honesty, this is the only way to do it! As a new captain you need the practice and exposure you get on an A320 fleet. Training is good and you actually learn something. The guys on A330 where lucky but, and this came from themselves, they never had a good training nor did they have any real life practice so far as a captain. Long stretches, very reliable and new airplanes plus flights to major airports make this one of the most non-challenging seats to be on! A330 upgrades are an ego thing, but thats all! (I took the liberty to keep it simple and without the DEC straight shoot from EMB120 to A330 polemics...that would lead us too far!)
4) MFF is coming in QR. Probably within the 2 years timeframe you are talking about. Whether this is a good idea or not, I have my doubts! MFF has been designed by airbus as a way to sell airplanes within a concept, but unless you know very well what you are doing, it is unsafe and we all know it!
5) Roster stability is an issue in QR, especially on A320!
6) Living conditions. Well, one could argue on that one. Personally I am not keen on living in a major asian city so for me that would not be a big advantage. I found my way in Doha. Yes its dusty, hot and there is not that much to do. But I live in a nice villa, wife and kids like it and when, after about 3 months, we get a bit tired of it we jump on a plane and go somewhere nice! But hey, thats a personal thing and in french they say "les gouts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas! "
7) Savings. I manage to save 20000QR/month in Doha. Thats about 5400USD. And I dont live secluded like Howard Hughes! (Two cars, lots of restaurant visits, two big hollidays a year and a membership in two clubs)
8) Schooling is paid by QR and up to two kids the costs are covered 100%. dont know how this compares to KL, but vivace just said he can not go due to the costs of school not being refunded in AA!
9)Buying property....defenitely better in AA!
10) QR has a world wide network to travel on ( feasable if you plan ahead and know the system) plus interline agreements with e.g. LH. This for me is a huge advantage as I do like the feeling that I can go home whenever I want!
So you see, it all depends where you put your goals and what you really want to do! But one thing I have learned is that people, and certainly pilots, will always try to defend the siutuation they are in themselves! A bit like the 'my airplane is the best' syndrome!
Once more, I am not trying to defend QR cost what cost, as AA might be the best option for certain people anyway. I just try to offer an additional look at the situation by providing facts...
Good luck and all the best!
I understand your optimism and many of your points are correct. However, so typical for someone who has chosen his path, you try to change the picture by adding some negativity to the QR side and adding positivity to the AA side.
This is normal, you are human after all (even after 4 years in QR
) Lets see.....
1) 5 years minimum towards command upgrade in QR is true/ DEC A320 at AA only for few positions and will not last for ever.
2) Only when just joining QR without TR you will be bonded. All other bonds are gone in QR (fleet transfers and upgrades)
3) Upgrade only on A320 is true and in all honesty, this is the only way to do it! As a new captain you need the practice and exposure you get on an A320 fleet. Training is good and you actually learn something. The guys on A330 where lucky but, and this came from themselves, they never had a good training nor did they have any real life practice so far as a captain. Long stretches, very reliable and new airplanes plus flights to major airports make this one of the most non-challenging seats to be on! A330 upgrades are an ego thing, but thats all! (I took the liberty to keep it simple and without the DEC straight shoot from EMB120 to A330 polemics...that would lead us too far!)
4) MFF is coming in QR. Probably within the 2 years timeframe you are talking about. Whether this is a good idea or not, I have my doubts! MFF has been designed by airbus as a way to sell airplanes within a concept, but unless you know very well what you are doing, it is unsafe and we all know it!
5) Roster stability is an issue in QR, especially on A320!
6) Living conditions. Well, one could argue on that one. Personally I am not keen on living in a major asian city so for me that would not be a big advantage. I found my way in Doha. Yes its dusty, hot and there is not that much to do. But I live in a nice villa, wife and kids like it and when, after about 3 months, we get a bit tired of it we jump on a plane and go somewhere nice! But hey, thats a personal thing and in french they say "les gouts et les couleurs ne se discutent pas! "
7) Savings. I manage to save 20000QR/month in Doha. Thats about 5400USD. And I dont live secluded like Howard Hughes! (Two cars, lots of restaurant visits, two big hollidays a year and a membership in two clubs)
8) Schooling is paid by QR and up to two kids the costs are covered 100%. dont know how this compares to KL, but vivace just said he can not go due to the costs of school not being refunded in AA!
9)Buying property....defenitely better in AA!
10) QR has a world wide network to travel on ( feasable if you plan ahead and know the system) plus interline agreements with e.g. LH. This for me is a huge advantage as I do like the feeling that I can go home whenever I want!
So you see, it all depends where you put your goals and what you really want to do! But one thing I have learned is that people, and certainly pilots, will always try to defend the siutuation they are in themselves! A bit like the 'my airplane is the best' syndrome!
Once more, I am not trying to defend QR cost what cost, as AA might be the best option for certain people anyway. I just try to offer an additional look at the situation by providing facts...
Good luck and all the best!
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QR 515, that's fine let's leave it here. It worked out for you to be a suitable deal so be it. The time will prove me right or wrong!!! 330 isn't an ego thing it's cash and life style, at least for me. 320 is definitely a better type to start with and you don't spit on the LHS however if the choice is to be made where to fly 320 I chose lifestyle. Interesting though the opinion of the most senior Cpt. in QR about the diversion. Most of them maintained the opinion of "who ever offers you LHS first is your only friend" Unfortunately QR was fooling around too long and lost the credibility. Anyhow let's see what Dr. time will bring upon us. Best of luck.
Don't take it personally take it on the rocks!!!
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Hi 515
Can you explain MFF please??
and that one also
[QUOTE]7) Savings. I manage to save 20000QR/month in Doha. Thats about 5400USD. And I dont live secluded like Howard Hughes! (Two cars, lots of restaurant visits, two big hollidays a year and a membership in two clubs)
thanks
Can you explain MFF please??
and that one also
[QUOTE]7) Savings. I manage to save 20000QR/month in Doha. Thats about 5400USD. And I dont live secluded like Howard Hughes! (Two cars, lots of restaurant visits, two big hollidays a year and a membership in two clubs)
thanks
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Im not sure how much of a change, but was in EWR and you do a tech quiz and crm exercise. They call you in in 20 minute slots. Once you get one on one with the 3 gentlemen they ask a few questions and then you are on your way.Lasts about 7-10 minutes
Does anyone know how long they require you to wait to reapply, know i did not do well on tech test.
Does anyone know how long they require you to wait to reapply, know i did not do well on tech test.
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As far as I know, there aren't any restrictions on reapplying. It's just the matter of them being interested in calling you over for another interview or not. But if you ask me, you should wait for 3-6 months then reapply
fahlguy I don't think that the process is over. If they invite you back for simulator assessment, then you will be one step closer.
Goodluck
fahlguy I don't think that the process is over. If they invite you back for simulator assessment, then you will be one step closer.
Goodluck
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Many slots will be available in the near future when everyone resigns due poor rostering practices, bad treatment by management and general discontent... 
I guess that all you will need to pass that interview will be a pen! Do you have one?
I guess that all you will need to pass that interview will be a pen! Do you have one?
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Went to the interview/presentation in Miami. The invite said that they would have successful candidates fly to Doha next week for the sim. At the interview they explained that they will not be contacting people until the middle of October for the simulator checks in November. I guess they have gotten a better turn out than expected?
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just FYI for Qatari515, i flew for Qr for 5 years, then join Air Asia for a year, Now i'm in Etihad (just finished my line training as DEC A 320). I dont know it your statement is correct about..no body will hire captain from AA...???..please correct me if i'm wrong..cheers.
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Good for you! Congratulations!
But than again .... And with all due respect, Aren't you Malaysian by any chance?
We all know that besides the Germans and Hogans heroes, the Malaysian maffia is well represented in EY so I am not surprised you got in! Some ex Air Asia management is presently at EY, so yes they would take you in!
How exactly would you have done that otherwise ????
You left QR about two years ago to get your command at Air Asia. You flew there for less than a year and yet, EYs requirements are 1000hr PIC on A320!
My bet is you knew the Malaysians in EY, came up with a plan to use AA as a cheap flying school with the guarantee that EY would take you in at the bare bare minimum requirements, and so you did it!
Please, and once again with all due respect, dont use your rather suspicious career path as an example for others!
If I would have been on a standard EY interview board I would be very worried about your possible loyalty and motive to join.( Didnt you jump ship at QR for example?)
But once more, good luck with your career! You where lucky twice allready ( connections + DEC stop at EY), lets hope your luck stays that way!
But than again .... And with all due respect, Aren't you Malaysian by any chance?
We all know that besides the Germans and Hogans heroes, the Malaysian maffia is well represented in EY so I am not surprised you got in! Some ex Air Asia management is presently at EY, so yes they would take you in!
How exactly would you have done that otherwise ????
You left QR about two years ago to get your command at Air Asia. You flew there for less than a year and yet, EYs requirements are 1000hr PIC on A320!
My bet is you knew the Malaysians in EY, came up with a plan to use AA as a cheap flying school with the guarantee that EY would take you in at the bare bare minimum requirements, and so you did it!
Please, and once again with all due respect, dont use your rather suspicious career path as an example for others!
If I would have been on a standard EY interview board I would be very worried about your possible loyalty and motive to join.( Didnt you jump ship at QR for example?)
But once more, good luck with your career! You where lucky twice allready ( connections + DEC stop at EY), lets hope your luck stays that way!
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I know you dont like my posts here BS, because I do not agree with you all the time!
BOOHOO!
I dont know where you come from mate, but where I was brought up things like jumping ship, manipulating the system, not being loyal etc are being frowned upon heavily!
So even in case your allegations would be correct about me brown nosing ( and boy of boy, this shows you really have no clue), even so I would still consider this the better option!
At least I would not be profitting myself at the expense of others, nor would I be blemishing the name/reputation of a whole group of people of the same nationality!
But hey, opinions are different I guess, and so are principles!
Chacun sa vie! The frogs say
BOOHOO!
I dont know where you come from mate, but where I was brought up things like jumping ship, manipulating the system, not being loyal etc are being frowned upon heavily!
So even in case your allegations would be correct about me brown nosing ( and boy of boy, this shows you really have no clue), even so I would still consider this the better option!
At least I would not be profitting myself at the expense of others, nor would I be blemishing the name/reputation of a whole group of people of the same nationality!
But hey, opinions are different I guess, and so are principles!
Chacun sa vie! The frogs say
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Qatar pre-employment assessment
Hi all, I've been invited to attend Qatar Airways ‘pre-employment assessment’ in the UK. I know this is the first rung on a longish ladder but wondered if anyone who has been through the process can shed some light on what I can expect from the day and the Qatar recruitment process beyond.
I did search pprune but couldn’t find a definitive guide.
Dave.
I did search pprune but couldn’t find a definitive guide.
Dave.