GF Transparancy???
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GF Transparancy???
It seems our A/PCE BN has decided to muddy the waters once more & throw his claims of having a open, transparent & honest management right down the toilet. As a shining example of the 'new' management's dedication to 'fair play' BN has decided unilaterally to appoint a f/o called RM (ex 320 Tech Pilot) as the new manager flight safety without going through the correct procedures & even issuing an SVN.
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Why is he not qualified????? I understand he has worked in that area in the past - so brings more experience than most people at GF.
Or I suppose, in the grandest of all GF traditions, the post should go to someone who has been here for 30 years and feels he knows what he is doing. Al la our training department.
Or I suppose, in the grandest of all GF traditions, the post should go to someone who has been here for 30 years and feels he knows what he is doing. Al la our training department.
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Whether or not he is qualified is not the point , the point is that the job was already allocated to him by BN. I never saw any SVN but then maybe I am not on the list like some other 'brain surgeons' here.
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trader why there was no svn??? why was it hush hush? and we did not say u have to be 30 years plus in the company!? and who said rm was qualified u??!!! so basically what u r saying,that all the pilots in gf from all over the world that are currently here,none of them are experienced or qualified...i dont think so..pull your head out of your ass!
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Mark my words - this guy will end up with an upgrade out of seniority 
When BN mentioned RM's name in the first "roadshow" I attended, I saw the writing on the wall. He got his nose up BN's arse right from the start.
(waiting now as to how long it takes for the rebuke from the cannuck happy campers!!)
When BN mentioned RM's name in the first "roadshow" I attended, I saw the writing on the wall. He got his nose up BN's arse right from the start.
(waiting now as to how long it takes for the rebuke from the cannuck happy campers!!)
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I have to say to most of you that I feel it is both highly inappropriate as well as totally unfair to judge someone without giving him or her a chance to see what he can do.
The fact that the man is an F/O means nothing at all, he is being called upon to handle flight safety and I feel an F/O is just as capable as the most senior captain if not more so. If I didnt believe that I would refuse to fly with F/O's.
I saw the SVN for the position and it was done all above board. I'm not a BN fan but what's right is right.
Please give the guy at least a chance before you shoot him down.
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The fact that the man is an F/O means nothing at all, he is being called upon to handle flight safety and I feel an F/O is just as capable as the most senior captain if not more so. If I didnt believe that I would refuse to fly with F/O's.
I saw the SVN for the position and it was done all above board. I'm not a BN fan but what's right is right.
Please give the guy at least a chance before you shoot him down.
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Well said Mach084. Fact is that the moaners here are not bitching because RM got the job, but rather that they didn't get it!! It's classic sour grapes so more power to RM and lets give him a chance. The upgrade out of seniority is another matter. There is a history of this position leading to such an event. If the man is serious he should offer to wait his turn which won't be that long anyway since he is at least 4 years in GF. With current attrition he will be in line for CP 330/340 next week 
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chucky chunda,
what's with you man? rm is probably the most qualified for the job from being the 320 techie. if you wanted the job, why didn't you vie for it? don't know rm personally but what makes you think he has his nose up bn's @rse? you must be one of the guys who should be leaving. like the ib57 mentioned, handshakes, thank yous for the experiences and hastalavista, not scorched earth like i originally started out on.
what's with you man? rm is probably the most qualified for the job from being the 320 techie. if you wanted the job, why didn't you vie for it? don't know rm personally but what makes you think he has his nose up bn's @rse? you must be one of the guys who should be leaving. like the ib57 mentioned, handshakes, thank yous for the experiences and hastalavista, not scorched earth like i originally started out on.
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What this guy Mr I KNOW EVERY THING lacks is bit of common sense.Once He insisted on writing ASR for no contact with JED while climbing out of AMM even though Captain asked him to be little patient to gain bit of Altitude and then call, but he would not wait,neither he tries a relay or ask AMM centre for a relay. On one occasion he distracted the other crew in the air constantly while those crew were busy dealing with the emergency.
Unfortunatly SVN published did not require any common sense so he is eligible for the job.
Unfortunatly SVN published did not require any common sense so he is eligible for the job.
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C'mon Brass - read before you type.
It was me that said about him having his snout up the bosses sphincter, not Chucky.
Dont want him to catch the shiite for something he didn't do..
It was me that said about him having his snout up the bosses sphincter, not Chucky.
Dont want him to catch the shiite for something he didn't do..
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The good thing about him:
He's single with no kids. So he can give it 110% of his time and even stay after-hours, something family guys can't do on a daily bases.
Also, if i recall correctly, the out going Manager was also an F/O when he got that post.
food for thought.
He's single with no kids. So he can give it 110% of his time and even stay after-hours, something family guys can't do on a daily bases.
Also, if i recall correctly, the out going Manager was also an F/O when he got that post.
food for thought.
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I think the title of this thread was 'GF Tranparency'.
Chuck Y, there was nothing un-transparent about the process with which RM underwent in applying for this position.
What is apparent in this thread is:
1. you (and possibly others here) applied and didn't get it.
2. the couple of you who are Bahrainis here (as much as I support your cause) should not think office positions automatically belong to you. Think along the lines of merit/ability/qualification/experience ahead of birthright/nationalism and you'll go a long way.
3. others here have 'personal' issues with RM which has no bearing whatsoever with his professional abilities.
4. the lack of guts, guys spreading poison easily behind the veil of anonymity. Approach RM and maybe discover that he's probably not a bad guy.
The fact is he applied and after a comprehensive presentation on his part, was shortlisted, appointment to be finalised.
Finally, being civil and well mannered to the boss, or anyone else for that matter, whether you like them or not, does not make you an ass-kisser. It makes you a gentleman and is a mark of maturity. Some guys here carry on like girls.
Chuck Y, there was nothing un-transparent about the process with which RM underwent in applying for this position.
What is apparent in this thread is:
1. you (and possibly others here) applied and didn't get it.
2. the couple of you who are Bahrainis here (as much as I support your cause) should not think office positions automatically belong to you. Think along the lines of merit/ability/qualification/experience ahead of birthright/nationalism and you'll go a long way.
3. others here have 'personal' issues with RM which has no bearing whatsoever with his professional abilities.
4. the lack of guts, guys spreading poison easily behind the veil of anonymity. Approach RM and maybe discover that he's probably not a bad guy.
The fact is he applied and after a comprehensive presentation on his part, was shortlisted, appointment to be finalised.
Finally, being civil and well mannered to the boss, or anyone else for that matter, whether you like them or not, does not make you an ass-kisser. It makes you a gentleman and is a mark of maturity. Some guys here carry on like girls.
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Very well put sal-e 
unfortunately many use this forum as a venue for personal attacks as opposed to rumours or news inside the airlines. If one were keen to raise the question about the proceedings regarding this appointment, fair enough..but to turn it into a personal drubbing of this chap is unfair..remember this fellow also filters out a lot of rubbish written about flt deck crews as well delays unfairly blamed on crews etc...etc....so in fact he does work on our side!!
unfortunately many use this forum as a venue for personal attacks as opposed to rumours or news inside the airlines. If one were keen to raise the question about the proceedings regarding this appointment, fair enough..but to turn it into a personal drubbing of this chap is unfair..remember this fellow also filters out a lot of rubbish written about flt deck crews as well delays unfairly blamed on crews etc...etc....so in fact he does work on our side!!
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More Confusion On The Running Of GF
GULF AIR could be brought under a parliamentary watchdog, with MPs saying they are unhappy with how the airline is being run. They say they have "clear evidence" of a conflict of interest in the appointment of an international consultancy, whose regional head is also a Gulf Air board member.
MPs also want more Bahrainis in decision-making roles and a review of the early retirement packages offered by the stricken airline under its recovery plan.
Parliament's financial and economic affairs committee issued a statement yesterday, saying it would be reporting in detail on the Gulf Air situation once parliament resumes in October, after the summer recess.
It said it would also be recommending proposals for "the necessary monitoring" of the airline's performance.
The statement follows an extraordinary meeting of the committee to discuss the difficulties of Gulf Air - which is looking for its third chief executive in less than a year, after the resignation of Andre Dose last month.
MPs said they would be writing to the airline to broach a variety of issues.
But one of their most pressing concerns is the role of Roland Berger Middle East managing director and partner Michael Wette - who is also a Gulf Air board member.
The committee said it had "clear evidence that there is a conflict of interest between the airline and the consulting company".
Committee member Isa Ahmed Abu Al Fatah Ali told the GDN that Mr Wette's dual role was the main cause of concern for him and his colleagues, adding that they were "not happy" with the current situation.
"There is a conflict of interest. There is one board member who at the same time is working as a consultant to the company," he said.
"We are writing to ask them for a written explanation for that."
Mr Wette was appointed in December last year to represent Bahrain's holding company Mumtalakat on the airline's board.
A team of consultants from Roland Berger are currently being employed by Bahrain to aid in a major restructuring effort aimed to stem losses of more than $1 million (BD377,000) per day.
Gulf Air chairman Mahmood Al Kooheji told the GDN last month that the board of directors had discussed the issue of conflict of interest.
"The Roland Berger consultant issue was debated and we had a decision from the board that we will not have a conflict continuing," he said.
"In future, if we have a member on the board then we will not invite Roland Berger for any new assignments, but whatever work we have ongoing has to be completed."
On Sunday, Gulf Air issued a statement dismissing media reports which it said questioned the airline's use of international consultants and the motive behind appointing them.
It said international consultancies hired by the airline had brought a "wealth of knowledge and experience" to its restructuring efforts.
The parliamentary committee also voiced concern at "the increasing role of expatriates in the executive administration of the airline" and said it was looking for assurances that Bahrainis with skills needed by the company would be encouraged to stay on.
Gulf Air head of corporate affairs and president and chief executive's office head Hisham Abu Al Fateh called for those with queries or suggestions to contact the airline directly rather than go through the Press.
"Gulf Air management is very happy to see the overwhelming and sincere concern that everyone has to making this airline successful and the management welcomes ideas, suggestions and constructive criticism that will enhance its operations as well as its services as an airline," he said. [email protected]
MPs also want more Bahrainis in decision-making roles and a review of the early retirement packages offered by the stricken airline under its recovery plan.
Parliament's financial and economic affairs committee issued a statement yesterday, saying it would be reporting in detail on the Gulf Air situation once parliament resumes in October, after the summer recess.
It said it would also be recommending proposals for "the necessary monitoring" of the airline's performance.
The statement follows an extraordinary meeting of the committee to discuss the difficulties of Gulf Air - which is looking for its third chief executive in less than a year, after the resignation of Andre Dose last month.
MPs said they would be writing to the airline to broach a variety of issues.
But one of their most pressing concerns is the role of Roland Berger Middle East managing director and partner Michael Wette - who is also a Gulf Air board member.
The committee said it had "clear evidence that there is a conflict of interest between the airline and the consulting company".
Committee member Isa Ahmed Abu Al Fatah Ali told the GDN that Mr Wette's dual role was the main cause of concern for him and his colleagues, adding that they were "not happy" with the current situation.
"There is a conflict of interest. There is one board member who at the same time is working as a consultant to the company," he said.
"We are writing to ask them for a written explanation for that."
Mr Wette was appointed in December last year to represent Bahrain's holding company Mumtalakat on the airline's board.
A team of consultants from Roland Berger are currently being employed by Bahrain to aid in a major restructuring effort aimed to stem losses of more than $1 million (BD377,000) per day.
Gulf Air chairman Mahmood Al Kooheji told the GDN last month that the board of directors had discussed the issue of conflict of interest.
"The Roland Berger consultant issue was debated and we had a decision from the board that we will not have a conflict continuing," he said.
"In future, if we have a member on the board then we will not invite Roland Berger for any new assignments, but whatever work we have ongoing has to be completed."
On Sunday, Gulf Air issued a statement dismissing media reports which it said questioned the airline's use of international consultants and the motive behind appointing them.
It said international consultancies hired by the airline had brought a "wealth of knowledge and experience" to its restructuring efforts.
The parliamentary committee also voiced concern at "the increasing role of expatriates in the executive administration of the airline" and said it was looking for assurances that Bahrainis with skills needed by the company would be encouraged to stay on.
Gulf Air head of corporate affairs and president and chief executive's office head Hisham Abu Al Fateh called for those with queries or suggestions to contact the airline directly rather than go through the Press.
"Gulf Air management is very happy to see the overwhelming and sincere concern that everyone has to making this airline successful and the management welcomes ideas, suggestions and constructive criticism that will enhance its operations as well as its services as an airline," he said. [email protected]