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Any men use PPrune??
Dont you get fed up reading the same whinning rubbish that appears on these pages............or should I rephase it and ask why the whinners bother to stay in QA if all they got to say is negative points? Maybe your wifes have your passwords and there just bleeting their grieviences on here om your behalf as your on a long layover & out enjoying yourselves??? It beats back home, waking at 5am, doing 2 or 3 turnarounds and getting home late? RIGHT???? So whats the problem? You got urself a nice airconditioned office & you only got to share with other, got your own tea boy / girl & at 39,000ft theres no boss to walk in and check what your doing. One of you is probably asleep already. You dont even need to bring a packed lunch with you, Mary outside in the galley will provide, just lift your hand and push that button.......................... Oh I forgot, your only making 35,000 a month. (F/O) maybe 45,000 (Cpt). Cant afford a hala card to call home? Then theres the other 8 guys you gota share the 8 x 10 room with back in doha. The room AC not working properly and you cant gat sleep!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe whats really bothering you is you cant afford an old bicycle to get to work in time or the company transport with no AC is late and the other 50 guys sat on you smell as the water in the compound isn't working today??? Get a life!!! There are peole, good people living on the bread line who arnt complaining and all you selfish *********'s just think of is yourselves. If you dont like it get out. Any wonder theres a staff shortage when people come on here, put there fangs in and poison the company..............and this effects everyone, especially the guys that enjoy working for QA. So please, change your password, dont tell your wives and it will be a better place.
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packtwoinop, you could have written it much more easier if you wanna stop the Brazilian soap opera on pprune. Just spread the rumor that posting on the pprune will be part of the upgrade consideration and that there's a trained psychologist profiling the posters. Nice one haaa Who knows maybe there's.
Basicaly any kind of conspiracy theory will do it.
I'd be grateful to have some tissues in the tech building so I can clean my shoes.
Cheers.
Basicaly any kind of conspiracy theory will do it.
I'd be grateful to have some tissues in the tech building so I can clean my shoes.
Cheers.
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Popay, if it stops people putting the company down, I'll stand at the technical enterance myself and shine your shoes and anyone elses that requires.
Isnt it time that everyone realised what harm or good can be done over the net. I mean if people were more positive, people would join, and the more that join the easier our lives become................on the other hand when I read some guy outside QA asking about the company and 1 of our guys flushes the toilet on QA, of course that guy wont come........... but in fact our QA guy thinking hes a smart a**e just increased his work load, and yours , and mine.................. its basic mathametics!!!!!!!!!!!!
But what really gets me is these same toilet flushers are still here, I dont get it??? Either they are unemployable else where or their brain is just a mass of mush in their heads??? MUSHHEADS, i like that
. GO HOME MUSHHEADS !!!!!!!!!!!!! 
Isnt it time that everyone realised what harm or good can be done over the net. I mean if people were more positive, people would join, and the more that join the easier our lives become................on the other hand when I read some guy outside QA asking about the company and 1 of our guys flushes the toilet on QA, of course that guy wont come........... but in fact our QA guy thinking hes a smart a**e just increased his work load, and yours , and mine.................. its basic mathametics!!!!!!!!!!!!
But what really gets me is these same toilet flushers are still here, I dont get it??? Either they are unemployable else where or their brain is just a mass of mush in their heads??? MUSHHEADS, i like that
. GO HOME MUSHHEADS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What a lot of people do not realise is that many people have been lied to to get them to come here. Many of them arrive and are too busy getting accomodation, buying furniture etc to realise what the deal REALLY is until six months down the line. It is then they start to whine and those of us with a decent licence and ability, start to look around for other jobs. (Those are the guys QR NEED) What some people don't seem to understand is that it those guys that have a right to be heard, and should be heard because I suspect the mushheads will not complain because they are getting such a good deal here (In comparison to home) they will not complain, and therefore allow conditions to further deteriorate.
So carry on whinging boys until you get a new job. At least other pilots will be able to view all versions of the truth on this website.
So carry on whinging boys until you get a new job. At least other pilots will be able to view all versions of the truth on this website.
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"to realise what the deal REALLY is until six months down the line" ..........so your saying it took you 6 months to realise you need furniture and a place to live??????? What were you expecting, AAB to ask you to move into his place, and every morning make you an omlette?? Didn't you get a contract before you joined? And if as you say you were lied to then why you didn't walk away................... SPINELESS 
Stick to fishing Mike http://www.miketuckfishing.com/community.html
Stick to fishing Mike http://www.miketuckfishing.com/community.html
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Just ask all the Air Madrid pilot who join here some month ago how many flights to Madrid each of them have got as thet were promised? did you see your house allowance on last paycheck? the memo says be patient but any idea how long to be patient? we still are patient waiting on the retirement plan how many years now? how many got company villas as promised 2 years ago or more?
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Good point, QA should put on extra flights to Madrid so the homesick lads get to see their Mothers. Maybe even put a second crew on board just in case the lads operating get a little tired from the excitement of going home.........WONDERFUL IDEA. Thought abot a career in rostering?? Everyone will love you 
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Maybe QA could approach Airbus and get the control colomn modifed to look like a set of bulls horns, just for them. "TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS"........... isnt that what thay say? Have you?
Honestly and seriously, I'm into my 4th year and content with my accomodation, salary and everything else. I'd love to be a millionare but unfortunatly HR didnt mention in my contract it would happen. If its in yours, sue em!!!!!
. Maybe QA could approach Airbus and get the control colomn modifed to look like a set of bulls horns, just for them. "TAKE THE BULL BY THE HORNS"........... isnt that what thay say? Have you?
Honestly and seriously, I'm into my 4th year and content with my accomodation, salary and everything else. I'd love to be a millionare but unfortunatly HR didnt mention in my contract it would happen. If its in yours, sue em!!!!!
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Well well,
Packtwoinop
Another dictator saying, love it or live it.
I agree there are many positive points, but there are many bad as well.
But been honest with you, some complain for one simple reason, TRYING IMPROVE things, others just leave, like many others that just resign that I know. So you are fighting the wrong guys if you want a nice airline for you try to improve things than people like me will complain less, others will stay and many will come, And one point to start...mentality..., changing the environoment will be a good start, although we are not leaving in a free country we are in a free forum, and we'll keep saying what we don't like, despaite of your opnion. And don't say we only complain here 'cause everybody knows what are the issues in the comapny, so its up to them, or up to you?
PS...the S*** hole is closed in front of the TB, thanks God!
Mean While I'm just having fun here...
And shoes tissues for everybody
Packtwoinop
Another dictator saying, love it or live it.
I agree there are many positive points, but there are many bad as well.
But been honest with you, some complain for one simple reason, TRYING IMPROVE things, others just leave, like many others that just resign that I know. So you are fighting the wrong guys if you want a nice airline for you try to improve things than people like me will complain less, others will stay and many will come, And one point to start...mentality..., changing the environoment will be a good start, although we are not leaving in a free country we are in a free forum, and we'll keep saying what we don't like, despaite of your opnion. And don't say we only complain here 'cause everybody knows what are the issues in the comapny, so its up to them, or up to you?
PS...the S*** hole is closed in front of the TB, thanks God!
Mean While I'm just having fun here...
And shoes tissues for everybody
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According to the ppjn website a F/O with Air Madrid was earning a top salary of 3470 euro's with no perdiems, and rosters that were " Comming extremly late. No fixed days off, sometimes only 7 pr. months". And their whingeing here?!!!! :
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I agree with you, but its one thing voicing your oponion here and another putting the company down.................. Isn't the biggest problem here in QA manpower shortage in Flight Deck, Cabin Crew, Technical , Catering etc etc. But alot of the manpower shortage is from "idiots" here that delibertly put the company down, over exagerate on issues and love to stir the s***. And on the 30th of the month they same idiots are gleaming with the balance in their accounts!!!!!!! Possiblly there useless & unemployable else where and they feel it gives them a little more job security and it problaby does I guess. I cant see what kick they get stirring the S***.
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Packtwoinop,
I can see where you are coming from...really I can.
However there are some things where I can not really follow you. Myself, I am relatively happy here. And I am here longer than you are!
But what I see happening with the new joiners really goes against anything ANY of us should have to go through:
1) Ask the Korean FOs what they where promised when coming here. They litterally where promised 18 months to upgrade!! Why...because they had 3 years to go in Korean Airways for upgrade....Now we all know 3 years is tha absolute min to even be considered for an upgrade but still they lied.
2) They where told they would get a VILLA! Upon arrival here...sorry...only appartments in the QR Ghetto Musheirib, no matter if they have children or not.
3) They where promised a FULL medical coverage. One FO found out the hard way that pregnancies are NOT covered in our full policy!
4) Go and talk to the Brazillian chaps surviving with wives and kids in Musheirib, the so called TEMPORARY accomodation they are living in for the last 10 months!
5) The Air Madrid guys where officially promised a 25% salary increase when they went to the roadshow in Spain. OFFICIALLY! Nothing was announced then yet but hey, whoever did the interviews could not care less!
6) Talk to the new joiners who, upon arrival in Doha, where dropped (again) in Musheirib at two o clock in the morning. They where given the keys to their EMPTY appartment together with a plastic bag containing one bottle of water, a roll of toilet paper and a towel. Nice first impression of the city and company I would say!
7) talk to the British snr FO who, upon two years of struggle to keep his medical, finally was declared unfit to fly for good. He tried to get his LOL money as thats what hapend...he LOST his licence for good! Sorry...No money for you mate....Blablablabla....Finally he calls the end insurer who tells him that we DO NOT HAVE a LOL.we have a cheap life insurance that will pay 100000USD in case you die/loose an arm or a legg in an accident. Unfortunately no deseases are covered as they all qualify as pre-existing condition in one wy or another.
Mind you, this guy was with QR for almost 5 years, had been flying since decades without a problem.
8) talk to the senior TRE who had to emigrate to EK because he could not afford to put his 4 kids to school in Doha anymore. The guy was virtually bankrupt!
As I told you...I have been here many years and I am more or less happy. And as you can see as well, I havent even touched the subject of the salary by far.
So for you and me its too easy really...we have a house and we are settled down!
But I can understand why the relatively new guys whine and moan. They are being liedto and cheated, they fall from one dissappointement in the other but unfortunately for most of them there is NO WAY BACK as they have resigned basing their decision on the same lies!
Maybe its time you wake up and smell the roses mate....Because I can assure you, life is not as good as yours for MANY MANY of our new colleagues!
I can see where you are coming from...really I can.
However there are some things where I can not really follow you. Myself, I am relatively happy here. And I am here longer than you are!
But what I see happening with the new joiners really goes against anything ANY of us should have to go through:
1) Ask the Korean FOs what they where promised when coming here. They litterally where promised 18 months to upgrade!! Why...because they had 3 years to go in Korean Airways for upgrade....Now we all know 3 years is tha absolute min to even be considered for an upgrade but still they lied.
2) They where told they would get a VILLA! Upon arrival here...sorry...only appartments in the QR Ghetto Musheirib, no matter if they have children or not.
3) They where promised a FULL medical coverage. One FO found out the hard way that pregnancies are NOT covered in our full policy!
4) Go and talk to the Brazillian chaps surviving with wives and kids in Musheirib, the so called TEMPORARY accomodation they are living in for the last 10 months!
5) The Air Madrid guys where officially promised a 25% salary increase when they went to the roadshow in Spain. OFFICIALLY! Nothing was announced then yet but hey, whoever did the interviews could not care less!
6) Talk to the new joiners who, upon arrival in Doha, where dropped (again) in Musheirib at two o clock in the morning. They where given the keys to their EMPTY appartment together with a plastic bag containing one bottle of water, a roll of toilet paper and a towel. Nice first impression of the city and company I would say!
7) talk to the British snr FO who, upon two years of struggle to keep his medical, finally was declared unfit to fly for good. He tried to get his LOL money as thats what hapend...he LOST his licence for good! Sorry...No money for you mate....Blablablabla....Finally he calls the end insurer who tells him that we DO NOT HAVE a LOL.we have a cheap life insurance that will pay 100000USD in case you die/loose an arm or a legg in an accident. Unfortunately no deseases are covered as they all qualify as pre-existing condition in one wy or another.
Mind you, this guy was with QR for almost 5 years, had been flying since decades without a problem.
8) talk to the senior TRE who had to emigrate to EK because he could not afford to put his 4 kids to school in Doha anymore. The guy was virtually bankrupt!
As I told you...I have been here many years and I am more or less happy. And as you can see as well, I havent even touched the subject of the salary by far.
So for you and me its too easy really...we have a house and we are settled down!
But I can understand why the relatively new guys whine and moan. They are being liedto and cheated, they fall from one dissappointement in the other but unfortunately for most of them there is NO WAY BACK as they have resigned basing their decision on the same lies!
Maybe its time you wake up and smell the roses mate....Because I can assure you, life is not as good as yours for MANY MANY of our new colleagues!
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Maybe time to stick your head further up your own A** then....
I can not believe that I have people like yourself as colleague in this airline!
If I am not mistaken you propose the following:
* everybody should stop talking about the company, especially when it is negative information
* That way we will attract more people, so we resolve the shortage in all levels of the employees.
* By doing so, life would get better for everybody.....
Hahahahahahahahahahah....What planet are you from?
And in all this, you do not even feel the tiniest bit guilty for all the people that will be CONNED and Cheated in joining here?
You would actually deprive the world of the much needed info on which people base their decisions, decisions that can possibly alter their lives, just because you feel tired flying too much due to the shortage!
If it wasnt for 4HP ban on the famous S*** word, I would say that your kind is even worse than the S***S.
I feel ashamed YOU are a pilot!
Maybe time to stick your head further up your own A** then....
I can not believe that I have people like yourself as colleague in this airline!
If I am not mistaken you propose the following:
* everybody should stop talking about the company, especially when it is negative information
* That way we will attract more people, so we resolve the shortage in all levels of the employees.
* By doing so, life would get better for everybody.....
Hahahahahahahahahahah....What planet are you from?
And in all this, you do not even feel the tiniest bit guilty for all the people that will be CONNED and Cheated in joining here?
You would actually deprive the world of the much needed info on which people base their decisions, decisions that can possibly alter their lives, just because you feel tired flying too much due to the shortage!
If it wasnt for 4HP ban on the famous S*** word, I would say that your kind is even worse than the S***S.
I feel ashamed YOU are a pilot!
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Way to go 515 - Wow, you are pumped up - I can see your mushroom cloud from here. 
Great posts but suck on something cold before that vein on your forehead explodes.Keep up the great posts; avoid any direct personal attacks on your vertically challenged leader and we'll continue to expose them as exploiters of our brethren.
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This airline is an industrial psychologists dream job. How do management possibly see any long term profit in the lies they tell to prospective Team Members.
And the list of lies continue. To those already listed above by 515 you can add one Swiss and two French First Officers that were apparently told one year, six months and two years to upgrade. Worse still, is that on the basis of the lies offered, two of them gave up jet commands back home to come and live here
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This is like a football team where half the players hate the coach.
And the list of lies continue. To those already listed above by 515 you can add one Swiss and two French First Officers that were apparently told one year, six months and two years to upgrade. Worse still, is that on the basis of the lies offered, two of them gave up jet commands back home to come and live here
. This is like a football team where half the players hate the coach.
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4 HP,
Thanks for the concern mate but my mushroom clouds tend to be short lived. was relaxing over a Mojito allready ( yes we have them in Doha)
Once in a while I am just stunned by the attitude of some of our fellow pilots...at least they think thats what they are...
Black stain...correct...forgot all about them...But what you are saying is absolutely true!
Thanks for the concern mate but my mushroom clouds tend to be short lived. was relaxing over a Mojito allready ( yes we have them in Doha)
Once in a while I am just stunned by the attitude of some of our fellow pilots...at least they think thats what they are...
Black stain...correct...forgot all about them...But what you are saying is absolutely true!
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QATARI 515,
You mentioned few sade cases in QR in your previous post, how about the many other happy cases in QR that you ignored.
How about the hundreds of F/o's ho have been upgraded and found a stable job in this airline.
How about the hundreds of captains' ho found a job, a type rating, and an income when things were bad in the pilot market.
Your example of the TRE that olmost died from hunger, and is working now in EK is ridiculos. I know the guy, please stop being a joke, I have childrens, and never found a problem in QR in terms of providing them education.
However, if you whant to have 10 childrens, and you whant them to be in the American school in Doha, paying almost 300,000 Riyal a year, of course you will suffer a financial failure.
I'm sorry, but your a cloun. You have chosen few sad cases, and omitted hundreds of satisfied people just because you are not happy.
And my question is: what the hell are you still doing in QR. the pilot market is so good these days. Just pay your bond, and find for your self your dream company.
QATARI 515: I believe that sadly your problem is bigger than QR. You will go to many other places in the future, and you will not be satisfied, just as you were not satisfied in your previous airline (since you left it, and came to QR).
You mentioned few sade cases in QR in your previous post, how about the many other happy cases in QR that you ignored.
How about the hundreds of F/o's ho have been upgraded and found a stable job in this airline.
How about the hundreds of captains' ho found a job, a type rating, and an income when things were bad in the pilot market.
Your example of the TRE that olmost died from hunger, and is working now in EK is ridiculos. I know the guy, please stop being a joke, I have childrens, and never found a problem in QR in terms of providing them education.
However, if you whant to have 10 childrens, and you whant them to be in the American school in Doha, paying almost 300,000 Riyal a year, of course you will suffer a financial failure.
I'm sorry, but your a cloun. You have chosen few sad cases, and omitted hundreds of satisfied people just because you are not happy.
And my question is: what the hell are you still doing in QR. the pilot market is so good these days. Just pay your bond, and find for your self your dream company.
QATARI 515: I believe that sadly your problem is bigger than QR. You will go to many other places in the future, and you will not be satisfied, just as you were not satisfied in your previous airline (since you left it, and came to QR).
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NA,
I do not want to disembark on a pissing contest with you mate...
However, before you start bitching, ranting and raving....A couple of hints on how to use a forum.
1) Learn to read English. In case you would have bothered to do that you would have read that personally I AM HAPPY in qatar Airways. The discussion was about something else but hey, you want to continue...by all means go on!
2) Learn how to write english...Or if you do not want to do that, use a spelling corrector. They come for free with MS Word you know...You want to know why? Your spelling mistakes actually could give your identity away. People tend to make the same mistakes over and over again, just like you!
3) Get your facts straight. Hundreds of FOs upgraded!!!!! My friend, there are 800 pilots in this company. Three years ago: 0 upgrades. Two years ago: 23 upgrades. Last year: 37 upgrades. This year: planning is around 60. So yes, it is heading the right direction but hudreds....COME ON!!!!
I gave a couple of examples just to prove Mr Packtwoinop that its not all moonshine and roses over here. The TRE case was a true one and yes, he opted to put his kids in the American school. Thats his right isnt it? Fact to the matter is that he could NOT survive here finacially and he left! True or not?
You might not have problems with education overhere. Great! Good for you! But most people I fly with who have more than 2 kids have to pay money out of their own pockets!
And once more mister Literary wonder, I did not OMIT the people who are happy because that was NOT the point! The Point was to inform people, wether the info is good or bad!
But hey, if it makes you feel better. Here we go....
I ADMIT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE INDEED HAPPY IN QATAR, AND THIS INCLUDES MYSELF!
Happy now?
Which does not mean that there is no more space for improvement nor does it mean that QR is everybody's cup of tea. Which is why people have the right to be informed about the positive aswell as the negative issues!
And by the way, the painfull examples written down by Black stain, are they as well a coincidence, just bad luck or maybe the product of his imgination? Wake up mate....
NA....I have no bond whatsoever and dreamjobs do not exist anymore these days...But I am sure you did find that one out by yourself by now no?
And please, refrain ( that means STOP ) from talking about me as if you know who I am. I have NO problem of any kind as you where suggesting in your last sentence. Probably, I am here MUCH longer allready than you and again probably I will be here MUCH longer than you ever will be as well!
That being said...Time for another Mojito......
I do not want to disembark on a pissing contest with you mate...
However, before you start bitching, ranting and raving....A couple of hints on how to use a forum.
1) Learn to read English. In case you would have bothered to do that you would have read that personally I AM HAPPY in qatar Airways. The discussion was about something else but hey, you want to continue...by all means go on!
2) Learn how to write english...Or if you do not want to do that, use a spelling corrector. They come for free with MS Word you know...You want to know why? Your spelling mistakes actually could give your identity away. People tend to make the same mistakes over and over again, just like you!
3) Get your facts straight. Hundreds of FOs upgraded!!!!! My friend, there are 800 pilots in this company. Three years ago: 0 upgrades. Two years ago: 23 upgrades. Last year: 37 upgrades. This year: planning is around 60. So yes, it is heading the right direction but hudreds....COME ON!!!!
I gave a couple of examples just to prove Mr Packtwoinop that its not all moonshine and roses over here. The TRE case was a true one and yes, he opted to put his kids in the American school. Thats his right isnt it? Fact to the matter is that he could NOT survive here finacially and he left! True or not?
You might not have problems with education overhere. Great! Good for you! But most people I fly with who have more than 2 kids have to pay money out of their own pockets!
And once more mister Literary wonder, I did not OMIT the people who are happy because that was NOT the point! The Point was to inform people, wether the info is good or bad!
But hey, if it makes you feel better. Here we go....
I ADMIT THAT MANY PEOPLE ARE INDEED HAPPY IN QATAR, AND THIS INCLUDES MYSELF!
Happy now?
Which does not mean that there is no more space for improvement nor does it mean that QR is everybody's cup of tea. Which is why people have the right to be informed about the positive aswell as the negative issues!
And by the way, the painfull examples written down by Black stain, are they as well a coincidence, just bad luck or maybe the product of his imgination? Wake up mate....
NA....I have no bond whatsoever and dreamjobs do not exist anymore these days...But I am sure you did find that one out by yourself by now no?
And please, refrain ( that means STOP ) from talking about me as if you know who I am. I have NO problem of any kind as you where suggesting in your last sentence. Probably, I am here MUCH longer allready than you and again probably I will be here MUCH longer than you ever will be as well!
That being said...Time for another Mojito......
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