Current Gulf Air issues (threads merged)
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Erasing Past
SYD.DUB.JNB out .Is gulfair really restructuring?Or perhaps just trying to remove all that has to do with JH.??
Seems that these flights wer doing well.
Now GF leasing 3 A340 .from THAI..Who is actually leasing old 340 s nobody.Are GF 767 that bad ?even old 340'sare better??
Have to be seen.
Prob a new Falcon soon to come.
Seems that these flights wer doing well.
Now GF leasing 3 A340 .from THAI..Who is actually leasing old 340 s nobody.Are GF 767 that bad ?even old 340'sare better??
Have to be seen.
Prob a new Falcon soon to come.
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Frustrating
Everyone comes on and makes statements regarding what's going but hardly any of you quote who your sources are or even if you work for GF?
any further comments bus787???
any further comments bus787???
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odmea update urself
read GDN online.statement from new GF Owner.
If u want more it said more news to come next week as regards job cutting.
Wats more?? ATH perhaps??Sky Chefs??
Back to the Future.4years back.
If u want more it said more news to come next week as regards job cutting.
Wats more?? ATH perhaps??Sky Chefs??
Back to the Future.4years back.
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With all the constant chopping and changing of management and all the nepotism and corruption that has gone on over the years...a select few has destroyed what was once a great airline.
People have been appointed to positions that they were not equipped to handle, they were either well connected or were yes men for the big boys.
It really is pathetic to see all this going on and no one does anything about it simply because they know their time to feed from the golden falcon will come!
Can GF survive when Oman eventually pull out?....I fear not but for the sake of all those hard working staff I hope it all works out.
AD does not have the credentials to sort this out, his track record does not fill one with confidence....yet another bucket load of money will be wasted on the promise of a new begining...major surgery is required if this company is to survive. Bite the bullet, swallow your pride. and get a major airline management team to sort out this mess before its too late...
Good luck to you all
People have been appointed to positions that they were not equipped to handle, they were either well connected or were yes men for the big boys.
It really is pathetic to see all this going on and no one does anything about it simply because they know their time to feed from the golden falcon will come!
Can GF survive when Oman eventually pull out?....I fear not but for the sake of all those hard working staff I hope it all works out.
AD does not have the credentials to sort this out, his track record does not fill one with confidence....yet another bucket load of money will be wasted on the promise of a new begining...major surgery is required if this company is to survive. Bite the bullet, swallow your pride. and get a major airline management team to sort out this mess before its too late...
Good luck to you all
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Only way out.
In an area where people are used to be pampered by silver ware,beds with quilts,smelly perfumes and all.Gf has to forget about making profits.
The competitors are just giving the luxury service with no profit so to survive in this market GF has to do same.Luxury suites on board gud food is wat makes the passengers around travel on GF.
Try to make the money on the people who travel on Gf while in the respective countries l.Look at DXb and Qatar and Abudhabi they serve you with all even with limo.When you in the country they rip you off with expenses.Same owner govt is still making money from the same passengers but the airline is used as a bait to take you in.
bahrain should do the same .
The competitors are just giving the luxury service with no profit so to survive in this market GF has to do same.Luxury suites on board gud food is wat makes the passengers around travel on GF.
Try to make the money on the people who travel on Gf while in the respective countries l.Look at DXb and Qatar and Abudhabi they serve you with all even with limo.When you in the country they rip you off with expenses.Same owner govt is still making money from the same passengers but the airline is used as a bait to take you in.
bahrain should do the same .
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Actually Bus787, your last post has some merit...unfortunately don't think GF is in the same position the other carriers are at the moment
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Yep quite agree noflare, the cheating, theiving and overall incompetance of Senior Management has come to a head...Fingers crossed it can be sorted out.
The Swiss are not the ones to do it..get someone with a proven track record..but then again who would want it!
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Sadly for GF, AD was third choice to run GF.
From what I can see and hear, the guys currently running GF (and its AD and his Roland Berger consultant friends - whom GF is paying a lot of money) are looking at flying to profitable destinations. If that is there criteria, then you might as well chop 75% of GF routes as they make no money after all the associated costs.
DUB and SYD are doing well with good load factors in ALL cabins and the summer is looking strong on these routes.
Most of the routes are going to chopped within a few months and guess what, that's the start of the peak season when most pax are paying higher than they would have during May or November.
So, even though one of the "values" from AD is Customer Service, you Mr AD are going to leave many unhappy passengers high and dry during the all important holiday period, and will they want to fly GF again, let alone recommend it to a friend ?
Oh, just to show that AD is in it for himself, like JH and those before him, ZRH will be one of the new route that will be launched.
Ok, lets assume ZRH is a good destination, how long does it take for a route to establish itself and GF as a brand becomes known ? I can tell you this that it needs at least 12 months - so much for "profitability" (another value).
Amongst all this, lets hope though that the legacy of AD will be that he got rid of some of the the deadwood and crap bahraini managers.
From what I can see and hear, the guys currently running GF (and its AD and his Roland Berger consultant friends - whom GF is paying a lot of money) are looking at flying to profitable destinations. If that is there criteria, then you might as well chop 75% of GF routes as they make no money after all the associated costs.
DUB and SYD are doing well with good load factors in ALL cabins and the summer is looking strong on these routes.
Most of the routes are going to chopped within a few months and guess what, that's the start of the peak season when most pax are paying higher than they would have during May or November.
So, even though one of the "values" from AD is Customer Service, you Mr AD are going to leave many unhappy passengers high and dry during the all important holiday period, and will they want to fly GF again, let alone recommend it to a friend ?
Oh, just to show that AD is in it for himself, like JH and those before him, ZRH will be one of the new route that will be launched.
Ok, lets assume ZRH is a good destination, how long does it take for a route to establish itself and GF as a brand becomes known ? I can tell you this that it needs at least 12 months - so much for "profitability" (another value).
Amongst all this, lets hope though that the legacy of AD will be that he got rid of some of the the deadwood and crap bahraini managers.
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SYD.DUB.JNB out .Is gulfair really restructuring?Or perhaps just trying to remove all that has to do with JH.??
From personal experience:
A R/T economy ticket BAH to LHR or DUB was has always been much higher then a R/T ticket LHR or DUB to BAH. And DUB to BKK/SIN/SYD seem to be the cheapest going.
The problem with GF is that their profit comes from conecting the Bahrain/Eastern Province expats with Europe or the Sub Continent and the European conecting traffic to SE Asia acted only as seat fillers. Unfortunately, just like with it's overbooking practice in the 90's, GF seems to have lost the plot.
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Huh?!?!? To survive Gulf Air must do business with no profit expectations?!?!? 
That sounds to me like going to work as a hobby.
Oh man! Air Arabia and Jazeera Airways must be doomed!
The competitors are just giving the luxury service with no profit so to survive in this market GF has to do same.
That sounds to me like going to work as a hobby.
Oh man! Air Arabia and Jazeera Airways must be doomed!
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Well PJ not that I don't understand what you're saying, but I'm sure some will be considering working for GF as a hobby since there are not many expectations one can have with the airline for a long time to come. Those of you who believe the airline will prosper soon are living on Mars. Thing is you may never know. I personally think it will, but it will take at least 5yrs to start coming right. Slightly too long for the young and ambitious I would say. Especially when there are no guarantees. I feel sorry for all those F/O's who's dream of oneday becoming a commander have been totally thrown out of the window. I feel more for those experienced 767 F/O's who will be taking many steps back in their careers by going onto the 320 and signing bonds. The commanders will be happy. Most will take it as a new challenge going DEC on a 330/340....wonder what they would say if it were DEC 320????but then again when your options are limited you tend to take what you get right?
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Let's just hold our horses a little, gentlemen...
Before we allow all of this to run out of hand, why don't we wait and see, just how many soon-to-be-ex-767 FO's are actually going to sign the trainingbond for the 320.
If you consider the published fact, that easyJet will bond you for 3 years on £17000, approx. €25000, then it is very difficult not to smile at Gulf Air's ditto. We are talking 23000 Bahraini Dinars, which equals almost €46000.
I do know, that I was conditionally positive about signing a new bond in a previous post of mine, but after having given it ample consideration, I suspect, someone in the Pink Palace must have left his sense of reality on the planet of Melmac.
And then again, in the best traditions of CRM, I share the question with you, gentlemen:
Is there actually something utterly wrong here...or do I just have s#*t for brains?
Before we allow all of this to run out of hand, why don't we wait and see, just how many soon-to-be-ex-767 FO's are actually going to sign the trainingbond for the 320.
If you consider the published fact, that easyJet will bond you for 3 years on £17000, approx. €25000, then it is very difficult not to smile at Gulf Air's ditto. We are talking 23000 Bahraini Dinars, which equals almost €46000.
I do know, that I was conditionally positive about signing a new bond in a previous post of mine, but after having given it ample consideration, I suspect, someone in the Pink Palace must have left his sense of reality on the planet of Melmac.
And then again, in the best traditions of CRM, I share the question with you, gentlemen:
Is there actually something utterly wrong here...or do I just have s#*t for brains?
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We're not talking about the real world here where an airline must be profitable or go under, where an airline will grow to the size that the market dictates. This is the Gulf. This is where three tiny countries, in terms of population, will have 350+ widebodied aircraft between them. Why? Because their governments have said it will be so! Are they profitable? I very much doubt it. Do they care? Probably not. If Bahrain insists that GF must be commercialy viable when no other carrier around here has to be then fine. But if they want to play by those rules then GF should be allowed to fail and close down instead of being drip fed on a life support machine. This is what normaly happens outside this region, sink or swim and let the market decide. I don't think you can compare a National carrier to the likes of Arabia and Jazeera. If GF decided to become a small A320 operater just flogging around the Gulf and the Sub Continent with similar conditions i am sure it would be successful also. Maybe GF should think about doing that anyway.
BTW...My training bond for the 330/340 was ONLY 14,500 BD, are you sure the 320 is alkmost double that?
BTW...My training bond for the 330/340 was ONLY
14,500 BD, are you sure the 320 is alkmost double that?
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This thread is so f**king confused that I wish to make the following points b4 i am swamped:
1. If you are redundant, you are out of a job - NO FURLOUGH!
2. If you got a 767 rating after a light turbo-prop, what are you complaining about?
3. If you thought you were getting a command OUT of seniority, and it does not happen, thaen how can you be disappointed?
The 767 guys had expectacions that were not realistic, and would only continue while VPO (Hameed Ali) was ignoring policy in OMA and Fleet Transfer Seniority. Unfortuneately, this is now catching up with everyody.
Standing by for arrows in my back!!
1. If you are redundant, you are out of a job - NO FURLOUGH!
2. If you got a 767 rating after a light turbo-prop, what are you complaining about?
3. If you thought you were getting a command OUT of seniority, and it does not happen, thaen how can you be disappointed?
The 767 guys had expectacions that were not realistic, and would only continue while VPO (Hameed Ali) was ignoring policy in OMA and Fleet Transfer Seniority. Unfortuneately, this is now catching up with everyody.
Standing by for arrows in my back!!
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Not sure and maybe they themselves aren't either
but at least they're able to witness from the start just how badly
run GF is
and not just from the Top, incompetence is rife in this outfit
sad , some nice people here
Beam me up Scotty
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Not sure and maybe they themselves aren't either
but at least they're able to witness from the start just how badly
run GF is
and not just from the Top, incompetence is rife in this outfit
sad , some nice people here
Beam me up Scotty
S.L.