Current Gulf Air issues (threads merged)
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Maybe when Mr. Dose gets rid of the 767's he can find a few dinars to give his employees. I suppose that would be wishfull thinking, like trying to get a day pass to the beach in Varedero while staying in camp Cuba. Either they want to keep you i.e. by a civilized fleet transfer or they want you gone by shoving another training bond in your face.
Just another thought...anybody hear if they are looking for volunteer's to resign and if so would that terminate "the bond"...in shalla
tbaylx...bbq soon
Just another thought...anybody hear if they are looking for volunteer's to resign and if so would that terminate "the bond"...in shalla
tbaylx...bbq soon
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Jack,
I think you're missing my point. Alot of us aren't in a rush to grab the sidestick at these pay levels. There are several airlines hiring all over this region and others at signifcantly better package levels. I like working here, but there is no way i'm signing another bond unless the pay is competitve. So i'm more than happy to stay on the Boeing while its around and then transfer the remainder of the Boeing bond over to the airbus, but i will not sign for another 3 years because they phased out the aircraft i was flying on. If that means I have to leave GF, then so be it.
I think you're missing my point. Alot of us aren't in a rush to grab the sidestick at these pay levels. There are several airlines hiring all over this region and others at signifcantly better package levels. I like working here, but there is no way i'm signing another bond unless the pay is competitve. So i'm more than happy to stay on the Boeing while its around and then transfer the remainder of the Boeing bond over to the airbus, but i will not sign for another 3 years because they phased out the aircraft i was flying on. If that means I have to leave GF, then so be it.
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Gulf Air to cut fleet to 28 and shift to all-Airbus operation
David Kaminski-Morrow, London (10Apr07, 09:43 GMT, 159 words)
Middle Eastern carrier Gulf Air is to begin withdrawing Boeing 767 aircraft from its fleet, cutting the fleet size from 34 to 28 aircraft, in a bid to reduce costs.
It will start removing the twin-jets from service in a shift towards establishing an all-Airbus operation. The changes will be accompanied by a strategy to lessen the time aircraft spend on the ground and a reduction in connection time for passengers.
The move is the latest in a series of cost-cutting measures being imposed by new chief executive Andre Dose who took over the airline at the beginning of April.
“At present Gulf Air is heavily losing money every day,” says Dose. “This has to stop.”
Gulf Air has nine 767-300ERs but earlier this year was forced to ground the jets temporarily for unexpected maintenance checks.
While Gulf Air has previously stated that it plans to replace the 767s, the fleet-reduction programme has not indicated any immediate renewal programme.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
Middle Eastern carrier Gulf Air is to begin withdrawing Boeing 767 aircraft from its fleet, cutting the fleet size from 34 to 28 aircraft, in a bid to reduce costs.
It will start removing the twin-jets from service in a shift towards establishing an all-Airbus operation. The changes will be accompanied by a strategy to lessen the time aircraft spend on the ground and a reduction in connection time for passengers.
The move is the latest in a series of cost-cutting measures being imposed by new chief executive Andre Dose who took over the airline at the beginning of April.
“At present Gulf Air is heavily losing money every day,” says Dose. “This has to stop.”
Gulf Air has nine 767-300ERs but earlier this year was forced to ground the jets temporarily for unexpected maintenance checks.
While Gulf Air has previously stated that it plans to replace the 767s, the fleet-reduction programme has not indicated any immediate renewal programme.
Source: Air Transport Intelligence news
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pay rise
Hi guys cant you see wats happening.
Gulf air is seeing people leaving so the fleet reduction is the best way out for them.
This way no need for payrise as GF will have extra crew .This will create no problem for gf if crew leave.Less salaries to pay some money from the sold 767 and Walla GF makes profit.
Mr Dose these are old tricks we all know about.
But majority of who stays around will be the unwanted from others.So much for the prime target of Safety.
Gud luck all gud job I ran away already.
Gulf air is seeing people leaving so the fleet reduction is the best way out for them.
This way no need for payrise as GF will have extra crew .This will create no problem for gf if crew leave.Less salaries to pay some money from the sold 767 and Walla GF makes profit.
Mr Dose these are old tricks we all know about.
But majority of who stays around will be the unwanted from others.So much for the prime target of Safety.
Gud luck all gud job I ran away already.
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sizing down GF
Speed Lever was right after all hay !!!
it was announced today phasing out will start in june to all 767 with no end date to the phasing, pilots will be transfered to A320 and A340/A330 1st group will go this month 2FO to A320 and 4CPT to A340 on seniority which a list that has not been seen around yet, i suppose friend and family 1st then the rest of the pilots.
Cheers
W.M.
ps. in other stories the are giving 400 cabin crew the sack too
it was announced today phasing out will start in june to all 767 with no end date to the phasing, pilots will be transfered to A320 and A340/A330 1st group will go this month 2FO to A320 and 4CPT to A340 on seniority which a list that has not been seen around yet, i suppose friend and family 1st then the rest of the pilots.
Cheers
W.M.
ps. in other stories the are giving 400 cabin crew the sack too
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Well...tbaylx and others...ir your not willing to "grab the side stick" for this pay rate....we suggest you and others pursue other options...sure you have many offers with your vast widebody, international jet experience...to each his own...many of us, including the majority of your colleagues from former employer support the steps GF is undertaking to return to viability...just remember your options when you joined GF to begin with...Georgian B-1900 (C-208) pilot.???? If the economics dont work for you...then the options are there...apply for the job..get accepted then play your cards...to each his own..many of us here support the efforts to rebuild GF..but it is a team effort...if you're not part of the team..then let us know...we'll be happy to assist you in exercising your options...
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SYD
As Oddy mentioned GF SYD are going through recruitment currently but that said the new CEO could quite easily say to the acting GM its his job to wind things up.
Isn't it strange that the airline can be left in such dire straights - yet JH can move on to yet another high ranking posting....
In football terms its like getting relegated then becoming manager of Manchester Utd as a reward!
Isn't it strange that the airline can be left in such dire straights - yet JH can move on to yet another high ranking posting....
In football terms its like getting relegated then becoming manager of Manchester Utd as a reward!
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Sorry Ironbutt but your example is analgous to the people who claim you cannot be against the war in Iraq and still support the troops - utter bullcrap.
You can be a team player at GF and still take issue with pay (and housing) and conditions.
This is to be confirmed but last I heard they are moving a couple 767 Fo's to the 320 and 'requiring' them to sign bonds once again. Well, I would take exception also. It is unfair. They hired the guy - if they force him let him continue his current bond.
The pay here does not meet the standards elsewhere in the Gulf (or Aisa or Europe..........). SO GF can match or people will leave. THIS IS BUSINESS!!!! In the same way that you support GF plans to be viable there should be no issue with people looking for better pay and conditions elsewhere. GF tries to make a profit and so do we as individuals. That does not make me or others lesser people, non-team players or however many other terms you would like to drag up.
Options - B1900????? Lots of others incluiding 747's in Asia, ME airlines, left seat 737 inb Canada etc etc etc.
Sitting in the left seat I think you have difficulty being objective. I have a family to support - THEY COME FIRST..everytime. The next housing increase and schooling increase freezes me out of being able to afford to live here. So I will leave. Call it what you like but in this 'new' modern world the biz people liek to talk about I'll take my personal business to where it makes sense.
You can be a team player at GF and still take issue with pay (and housing) and conditions.
This is to be confirmed but last I heard they are moving a couple 767 Fo's to the 320 and 'requiring' them to sign bonds once again. Well, I would take exception also. It is unfair. They hired the guy - if they force him let him continue his current bond.
The pay here does not meet the standards elsewhere in the Gulf (or Aisa or Europe..........). SO GF can match or people will leave. THIS IS BUSINESS!!!! In the same way that you support GF plans to be viable there should be no issue with people looking for better pay and conditions elsewhere. GF tries to make a profit and so do we as individuals. That does not make me or others lesser people, non-team players or however many other terms you would like to drag up.
Options - B1900????? Lots of others incluiding 747's in Asia, ME airlines, left seat 737 inb Canada etc etc etc.
Sitting in the left seat I think you have difficulty being objective. I have a family to support - THEY COME FIRST..everytime. The next housing increase and schooling increase freezes me out of being able to afford to live here. So I will leave. Call it what you like but in this 'new' modern world the biz people liek to talk about I'll take my personal business to where it makes sense.
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Does anybody else feel that 6 months was a little too long for no permanent PCE to be at the helm of GF?
I recall back last fall some people mused whether GF needs a PCE-- "we're doing OK without one!" Yet when I look around me, it seems that morale has severely diminished in the 6-month period, in-part do to a prolonged lack of sense of direction. Hopefully, things will get better now.
Over the last 10 days I've heard more from the new management about where the company is headed than I did over the last 6 months. I like that, and I hope Mr. Dose's "Hello Gulf Air" weekly e-mail update won't be something that will last only 6 months. I like to read mysteries, not live them.
I recall back last fall some people mused whether GF needs a PCE-- "we're doing OK without one!" Yet when I look around me, it seems that morale has severely diminished in the 6-month period, in-part do to a prolonged lack of sense of direction. Hopefully, things will get better now.
Over the last 10 days I've heard more from the new management about where the company is headed than I did over the last 6 months. I like that, and I hope Mr. Dose's "Hello Gulf Air" weekly e-mail update won't be something that will last only 6 months. I like to read mysteries, not live them.
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I am positively surprised about what's going on with GFA.
Drastic situation requires drastic measures.
Although it's easy for me to say, since I don't fly Boeings. But, before laying off pilots, why don't we:
1) finish all the DPI contracts? How many are they? 16?
2) retire all those who captains who were supposed to be retired.
3) ask for volunteers, and offer them to leave without paying the bond.
With the amount of resignations GFA has, I guess in 6 months you don't need to dismiss anybody.
We need a shakedown in all levels and I am waiting for:
1) Mr. T from
housing to go and never return!
2) Staff travel staff to shape up or the door will be shown.
Communication:
AD came and is telling us what's going on. This is great news, open communication. Mr. Dose, I am looking forward for the roadshows that JH used to make. A channel so we can talk to you and you get to know us.
Let's wait and see. the next 6 months will tell a lot.
LNB
Drastic situation requires drastic measures.
Although it's easy for me to say, since I don't fly Boeings. But, before laying off pilots, why don't we:
1) finish all the DPI contracts? How many are they? 16?
2) retire all those who captains who were supposed to be retired.
3) ask for volunteers, and offer them to leave without paying the bond.
With the amount of resignations GFA has, I guess in 6 months you don't need to dismiss anybody.
We need a shakedown in all levels and I am waiting for:
1) Mr. T from
housing to go and never return! 2) Staff travel staff to shape up or the door will be shown.
Communication:
AD came and is telling us what's going on. This is great news, open communication. Mr. Dose, I am looking forward for the roadshows that JH used to make. A channel so we can talk to you and you get to know us.
Let's wait and see. the next 6 months will tell a lot.
LNB
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Totally Agree
As a 5 yr premium pax with GF I strongly second your entry.
I can say GF is no where near as bad as some airlines I've traveled with though. They can however take more pride in presentation. Quick turnarounds shouldn't come at the cost of a dirty cabin.
QR has employed "specialist cleaners" to make sure ac are cleaned to a pristine standard for EVERY flight. I have also been made aware that crew are reprimanded at the end of a flight if toilets are dirty after inspection by ground crew.
AD take note!
Oddy
I can say GF is no where near as bad as some airlines I've traveled with though. They can however take more pride in presentation. Quick turnarounds shouldn't come at the cost of a dirty cabin.QR has employed "specialist cleaners" to make sure ac are cleaned to a pristine standard for EVERY flight. I have also been made aware that crew are reprimanded at the end of a flight if toilets are dirty after inspection by ground crew.
AD take note!
Oddy
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I fully agree tht family and personal needs are "top shelf" so if the GF policies or otherwise dont suit someone, then obviously one needs to pursue other avenues...but complaining or making disparaging remarks about the company on the internet does little to solve anything, and shows lack of support for your fellow team mates...positive changes are being made as we speak..and other issues will be addressed in due time...but unfortunately for us, training bonds are a fact of life here in the gulf with ALL carriers and most other places as well....dont like this one here, have a look at Singapore Airlines bond details...find a carrier in the regions you mentioned Trader without a bond...maybe they do exist...but never heard of one myself...good luck
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Ironbutt,
I quite like working for GF, not made any negative remarks at all. AD seems to be making some positive changes and hopefully it will eventually sort out the issues here. I simply don't think its a wise move for me to sign for another 3 year bond at the current pay levels. I signed a bond when i came here and am quite prepared to fulfill it's obligations. If the company wants to fleet transfer, that's fine, but not with a new bond.
If that's the case, then i will take my "vast international wide body experience" as you so eloquently put it elsewhere.
I quite like working for GF, not made any negative remarks at all. AD seems to be making some positive changes and hopefully it will eventually sort out the issues here. I simply don't think its a wise move for me to sign for another 3 year bond at the current pay levels. I signed a bond when i came here and am quite prepared to fulfill it's obligations. If the company wants to fleet transfer, that's fine, but not with a new bond.
If that's the case, then i will take my "vast international wide body experience" as you so eloquently put it elsewhere.
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Best move done by AD so far was kicking the VPO out of that position ,cause this was suppose to be done long time ago ,since the 072 crash.As for the fleet reduction ,all i can say who ever thinks that signing another bond is not fair in the event of changing aircraft type.........ANSWER (take it or leave it and stop pit***ng) Let's move on and think positive....
Let's move on and think positive....
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signing another bond is not fair in the event of changing aircraft type.........ANSWE
Well buddy, the problem is not signing another training bond. Pretty shure that most of us (767 F/O's) are very concerned about being transfered to the A-320 instead of the bond. Went this morning to the 767 fleet office and Mrs. Z told me that we all will be transfered to the A-320 as F/O's but the 767 captains will go as Captains on the 330 / 340; how's that mate?
Can tell you have no problem signing a bond for the 340 or 330 but forget about in on the a-320. They'll downgrade us and on top of that want us to sign a bond? That's mental dude and please, don't tell us how hard is your life on that plane, flying 7 sectors a day with very few time away since most of us already lived that long time ago (maybe even before you started learning basic aviation). Put us on the wide body and you'll see how happy we'll be. No hard feelings man ok.
Can tell you have no problem signing a bond for the 340 or 330 but forget about in on the a-320. They'll downgrade us and on top of that want us to sign a bond? That's mental dude and please, don't tell us how hard is your life on that plane, flying 7 sectors a day with very few time away since most of us already lived that long time ago (maybe even before you started learning basic aviation). Put us on the wide body and you'll see how happy we'll be. No hard feelings man ok.