Current Gulf Air issues (threads merged)
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why they gona close sin,jhb,syd, and the others ??? dubin is full goin flight ,, singapore ... also good business .. and pilots like it there lol ...
no idiea what those idiots are doin ...
have a nice day all
no idiea what those idiots are doin ...
have a nice day all
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Panama Jazeera and Arabia are not Flag carriers but low COst Airline.
Do you really see Gulf air as low Cost.No Fortuantly GF compares with EK EY QR.(Although aircraft bit older).None of this airlines make money.Dontforget the owner of GF is the Govt.what he is loosing in GF he gains on Boose fromGulf Cellars from Trader vics from hotel rental.
Gf should be a first Class airline with true Arabian Hospitality onboard to get people to this small Island to purchase property etc.
This is not a aplace wer people have to travel around like europe on planes .that is wer low cost airlines work cause airlines are like an airborne taxi service.
People here dont even travel inthe car if it doesnt have leather seats.
Do you really see Gulf air as low Cost.No Fortuantly GF compares with EK EY QR.(Although aircraft bit older).None of this airlines make money.Dontforget the owner of GF is the Govt.what he is loosing in GF he gains on Boose fromGulf Cellars from Trader vics from hotel rental.
Gf should be a first Class airline with true Arabian Hospitality onboard to get people to this small Island to purchase property etc.
This is not a aplace wer people have to travel around like europe on planes .that is wer low cost airlines work cause airlines are like an airborne taxi service.
People here dont even travel inthe car if it doesnt have leather seats.
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This thread is so f**king confused that I wish to make the following points b4 i am swamped:
1. If you are redundant, you are out of a job - NO FURLOUGH!
Sounds fine to me, then please give me my 3 months notice or pay in lieu and release me from my bond asap.
2. If you got a 767 rating after a light turbo-prop, what are you complaining about?
I don't think anyone on the 767 came off a light turboprop. Most of us came off MD83 from the left seat. At the time (our company went bankrupt) GF was a good option.
3. If you thought you were getting a command OUT of seniority, and it does not happen, thaen how can you be disappointed?
The company sets the policies, and they were upgrading by seniority within the fleet, not overall. It was reasonable to expect an upgrade by seniority by fleet type, and that it would be quicker on the Boeing. Now that we're all on the same fleet it evens the playing field and upgrades by seniority. Fair? yes, but it does extend the time to command for everyone, not just the boeing guys.
The 767 guys had expectacions that were not realistic, and would only continue while VPO (Hameed Ali) was ignoring policy in OMA and Fleet Transfer Seniority. Unfortuneately, this is now catching up with everyody.
Not really. The upgrades were by seniority within the fleets and that's what we expected. Now the situation has changed. I can live with that it's fair. The two issues i think most of us have are
1- We're now 40-60% underpaid compared to most airlines in the region. I have a hard time with that one.
2- GF wants me to sign another bond for 23000 BHD and 3 years at those pay levels because they phased out the aircraft i was flying and want to train me on another.Standing by for arrows in my back!!
I know, not a team player, if i don't like it leave blah blah blah..that's probably what alot of us will do though.
1. If you are redundant, you are out of a job - NO FURLOUGH!
Sounds fine to me, then please give me my 3 months notice or pay in lieu and release me from my bond asap.
2. If you got a 767 rating after a light turbo-prop, what are you complaining about?
I don't think anyone on the 767 came off a light turboprop. Most of us came off MD83 from the left seat. At the time (our company went bankrupt) GF was a good option.
3. If you thought you were getting a command OUT of seniority, and it does not happen, thaen how can you be disappointed?
The company sets the policies, and they were upgrading by seniority within the fleet, not overall. It was reasonable to expect an upgrade by seniority by fleet type, and that it would be quicker on the Boeing. Now that we're all on the same fleet it evens the playing field and upgrades by seniority. Fair? yes, but it does extend the time to command for everyone, not just the boeing guys.
The 767 guys had expectacions that were not realistic, and would only continue while VPO (Hameed Ali) was ignoring policy in OMA and Fleet Transfer Seniority. Unfortuneately, this is now catching up with everyody.
Not really. The upgrades were by seniority within the fleets and that's what we expected. Now the situation has changed. I can live with that it's fair. The two issues i think most of us have are
1- We're now 40-60% underpaid compared to most airlines in the region. I have a hard time with that one.
2- GF wants me to sign another bond for 23000 BHD and 3 years at those pay levels because they phased out the aircraft i was flying and want to train me on another.Standing by for arrows in my back!!
I know, not a team player, if i don't like it leave blah blah blah..that's probably what alot of us will do though.
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Exactly right Tbay...
If I had come off a turbo-prop, fair enough turn the page and let's see what happens next.
I'm not Canadian, but I came from the left seat of an MD too, with reasonable expectations based on the information provided by the recruiting team. (Mistake 1)
That combined with direct access to my home base, (which is one of the axed destinations) made for a pretty decent potential existance.
Salary- not fantastic, but with the per diums - we can do it. (Mistake 4173)
Now we don't earn near the numbers discussed a while back.
Now the rest of the "gulf majors" are offering far more attractive salaries in an effort to retain crew.
Can't see an increase on the horizon under present circumstances. Unless they retrench half the redundant staff in HO and distribute the salaries amongst the flight crew....hmmm there's an idea.
It seems the threat of crew leaving has no impact on the management - Bond another thousand lads, the queue is out the door and round the corner, or shake a tree- bound to be suitable chaps up there. The training department can handle it. Oh and the summer schedule is upon us too.
Not anymore amigo that dhow has set sail for calmer waters.
Its early days yet, but the prognosis - she don't look too good cousin!
The concept of "don't like, leave" is also wearing thin. The realistic issue is you cannot afford to lose experienced staff right now or them glass sliding doors are going to seize closed. Address the issues GF, the clock is ticking.
If I had come off a turbo-prop, fair enough turn the page and let's see what happens next.
I'm not Canadian, but I came from the left seat of an MD too, with reasonable expectations based on the information provided by the recruiting team. (Mistake 1)
That combined with direct access to my home base, (which is one of the axed destinations) made for a pretty decent potential existance.
Salary- not fantastic, but with the per diums - we can do it. (Mistake 4173)
Now we don't earn near the numbers discussed a while back.
Now the rest of the "gulf majors" are offering far more attractive salaries in an effort to retain crew.
Can't see an increase on the horizon under present circumstances. Unless they retrench half the redundant staff in HO and distribute the salaries amongst the flight crew....hmmm there's an idea.
It seems the threat of crew leaving has no impact on the management - Bond another thousand lads, the queue is out the door and round the corner, or shake a tree- bound to be suitable chaps up there. The training department can handle it. Oh and the summer schedule is upon us too.
Not anymore amigo that dhow has set sail for calmer waters.
Its early days yet, but the prognosis - she don't look too good cousin!
The concept of "don't like, leave" is also wearing thin. The realistic issue is you cannot afford to lose experienced staff right now or them glass sliding doors are going to seize closed. Address the issues GF, the clock is ticking.
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Part of the issue is that the "threat" of crew leaving dosen't actually show up in pilot numbers till 6 months or so down the road. First a given pilot has to get pissed off enough to leave, then he has to figure out where to go, then apply, get interviewed, get hired, give notice etc etc. It takes months from the time a guy first decides to leave until he's actually gone. So all the stuff that is happening now won't show up in recruitment till the fall or mid summer or so. Then it also has to be in sufficent numbers for it to be noticed (one or two guys leaving can be replaced fairly easily).
Eventually it will catch up with the training department though and the guys in rostering are going to have their hands full figuring out how to crew the aircraft.
Hopefully sometime before then it gets noticed and the package gets adjusted so it's competitve and they do the fair thing with the bonds and just transfer the existing bonds over to the new fleet for the Boeing guys instead of asking for new ones. Maybe some guys will stick around then, as it's actually a nice place to live and the guys you fly with are usually great.
Eventually it will catch up with the training department though and the guys in rostering are going to have their hands full figuring out how to crew the aircraft.
Hopefully sometime before then it gets noticed and the package gets adjusted so it's competitve and they do the fair thing with the bonds and just transfer the existing bonds over to the new fleet for the Boeing guys instead of asking for new ones. Maybe some guys will stick around then, as it's actually a nice place to live and the guys you fly with are usually great.
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Well all there is left to say is..the audience is waiting, the curtains have been drawn, but the fat lady hasn't started singing yet..and as we all know..."it's not over until the fat lady sings"..(hope I dont draw that straw)
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The only thing some of us had going for us was the prospect for command in the relative near future. Since that doen't exist anymore, there is absolutely no reason for me to stick around. I'm just hoping I'll land a job before I'm cornered into signing a bond.
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Well you have not drawn a string but certainly kept the thread going, and the fat lady will sing, indeed.
This said, there is no point in her singing if it is only to repeat the past, everyone has heard that farting tune, few are interested and it would certainly mean the demise of GF.
What most would like to see, is that nespotism and despotism cease, Bahrainis, Omanis and in recent years expats have been more than just guilty of it, and they have basked in pool of vermine only of their own making; and it is still going on! That theft and corruption are handled in the most appropriate of manners and that precedents for once are made ton clear the road to a brighter future. AD does not have to look to far...it is right under his nose...
If anything, and in the ears of the general public and consumers alike, it isn't about making noise, but about singing, one of those tunes not in the glory of management but in the glory of those who wish to make a difference, take the right steps to make it happen and see their ambitions to change practices fulfilled, finally, so that the past does not repeat itself.
And so Mr. Hemingway, are you....feeling better?
Stay tuned, prozac is on next week!
This said, there is no point in her singing if it is only to repeat the past, everyone has heard that farting tune, few are interested and it would certainly mean the demise of GF.
What most would like to see, is that nespotism and despotism cease, Bahrainis, Omanis and in recent years expats have been more than just guilty of it, and they have basked in pool of vermine only of their own making; and it is still going on! That theft and corruption are handled in the most appropriate of manners and that precedents for once are made ton clear the road to a brighter future. AD does not have to look to far...it is right under his nose...
If anything, and in the ears of the general public and consumers alike, it isn't about making noise, but about singing, one of those tunes not in the glory of management but in the glory of those who wish to make a difference, take the right steps to make it happen and see their ambitions to change practices fulfilled, finally, so that the past does not repeat itself.
And so Mr. Hemingway, are you....feeling better?
Stay tuned, prozac is on next week!
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None that joined in my class were bonded, as we were typed and current (6months) on type....not sure if there is a bond if you are typed and at least current within 6 months...
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It seems that within the last few days a lot of Cabin Crew have started wringing their hands in response to rumors of a significant cabin crew cut-back-- how many, when, who and how?
I haven't seen anything official-- just heard rumors. Anybody heard anything more solid?
I haven't seen anything official-- just heard rumors. Anybody heard anything more solid?
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Heard that rumour as well...no numbers...with an average of 25+ resigning per month anyway..I cannot see that happening, but I dont have the whole picture available to me...who knows...watch and wait..interesting summer ahead...not time for the fat lady just yet
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My thoughts exactly, ironbutt57, with the amount of regular turnover in the Cabin Crew ranks, I was thinking a temporary hiring freeze would almost definately take care of numbers themselves, unless management also sees this as an opportunity for a "weeding-out" process in the staff ranks. 
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About 115 pilots in the 76 fleet. They claim they will need about 75 for the bus. "Counting on resignation" for the balance...
It's time to update your CV's guys..!
Now EY intends to compete on the narrow body network. Heard they want a fleet of either 73 or A320...
Food 4 thought
It's time to update your CV's guys..!
Now EY intends to compete on the narrow body network. Heard they want a fleet of either 73 or A320...
Food 4 thought