Is Ek This Bad?
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why they dont leave
I have been invited to a selection program also and my EK friends advice me to stay here, they say that is very difficult to quit EK speciality if you dont want to lose cash. I do agree with the rest of the guys that we can´t talk about EK if we dont even work there
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ERJ what is the problem? Have you applied to EK? Have you been invited for an interview? Because you are starting to sound like our friend Captain America! Who has been here for five minutes compared to a lot of us and already he's been in the news papers making the headlines! So by all means have an opinion! But why are you not here? That is the question. Because we are SERIOUSLY DESPERATE for PILOTS and we are no longer very picky either!! 
Dedeita compadre!! Do not feel bad about your decision not to come here. Companies like EK, EY, QR and GF will always but always be looking for new pilots to join. The question must always be. Is it worth my while to move over to another country as an EXPAT? For YOU and your FAMILY. And if you have a really lousy job back home, then this place will seem like a welcome relief.
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Dedeita compadre!! Do not feel bad about your decision not to come here. Companies like EK, EY, QR and GF will always but always be looking for new pilots to join. The question must always be. Is it worth my while to move over to another country as an EXPAT? For YOU and your FAMILY. And if you have a really lousy job back home, then this place will seem like a welcome relief.
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Dedeita compadre!! Do not feel bad about your decision not to come here. Companies like EK, EY, QR and GF will always but always be looking for new pilots to join. The question must always be. Is it worth my while to move over to another country as an EXPAT? For YOU and your FAMILY. And if you have a really lousy job back home, then this place will seem like a welcome relief.
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actually i have a very good job in my country but i was attracted by the idea of being upgraded to heavy jet captain soon. with the seniority number i have now i will be flying the 777 as captain at least in 15 years, i hope the company still here. i owe you a beer..hasta la vista
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[/quote]actually i have a very good job in my country but i was attracted by the idea of being upgraded to heavy jet captain soon. with the seniority number i have now i will be flying the 777 as captain at least in 15 years, i hope the company still here. i owe you a beer..hasta la vista
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Love to fly
Why do Pilots love to talk bad about the company's they work for ?
If you don't like Emirates leave
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I would love to join Emirates
If you don't like Emirates leave
................................................I would love to join Emirates
I wish our friends from overseas, mainly the Americas it would seem, would realise that "if you don't like it leave mantra" is almost completely bollocks..Leaving an expat job to go home , or elsewhere for that matter, is not the same as leaving McDonald's to go and work at Wendy's.
Many ( or most ) of us are unhappy that is without debate. What is up for debate is under what pretext we came here. I for one believed it was the job for me, good money, quick command, company of integrity, etc,etc, well that is the line recruitment was giving 4 years ago, and to be fair I think they were being honest.
The bar stewards have become increasingly greedy since then, the DEC debacle was the first of many things that have had an adverse effect on peoples lives....and all we get from our "management" and our brothers on the outside is ":if you don't like it leave"...Bollucks...
If you leave EK within , lets say 5 years or so you will take a huge financial hit, I am just about the same financial positing now I was in over 3 years ago,,bear in mind that is where I was, not where I would have been if I had not joined, all things being equal. SO quite behind the drag curve . Never mind the expense of doing it all in reverse......
Families get settled, kids enjoy school,, and yes you do get used to having a maid( if you can find a good one ), it's nice to see the sun, although you cant enjoy it, it's so effin hot in the summer, but still nice to see.
So as I hope you opinionated lot can see , please look at the bigger picture, life is a lot more complex than some meaningless sound bite " if you don't like it leave" ....
ps if you lot think it's so good, why aren't you here, as someone said we are so desperate now that you may be in with a shout...
Many ( or most ) of us are unhappy that is without debate. What is up for debate is under what pretext we came here. I for one believed it was the job for me, good money, quick command, company of integrity, etc,etc, well that is the line recruitment was giving 4 years ago, and to be fair I think they were being honest.
The bar stewards have become increasingly greedy since then, the DEC debacle was the first of many things that have had an adverse effect on peoples lives....and all we get from our "management" and our brothers on the outside is ":if you don't like it leave"...Bollucks...
If you leave EK within , lets say 5 years or so you will take a huge financial hit, I am just about the same financial positing now I was in over 3 years ago,,bear in mind that is where I was, not where I would have been if I had not joined, all things being equal. SO quite behind the drag curve . Never mind the expense of doing it all in reverse......
Families get settled, kids enjoy school,, and yes you do get used to having a maid( if you can find a good one ), it's nice to see the sun, although you cant enjoy it, it's so effin hot in the summer, but still nice to see.
So as I hope you opinionated lot can see , please look at the bigger picture, life is a lot more complex than some meaningless sound bite " if you don't like it leave" ....
ps if you lot think it's so good, why aren't you here, as someone said we are so desperate now that you may be in with a shout...
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No I dont work at EK but in the gulf for 15yrs and a bit...many folks come here with hopes and reams of instant wealth, and a huge disposable income..and very quickly become disillusioned..it's simply not the case..you will need time after settling in, setting up the family before any disposeable income becomes apparent..many become disappointed by "shifting goalposts" at their employer as they seek the most "cost effective" means of meeting their crewing needs...and rightfully so..one accustomed to commands and the like by date of hire and seniority are sure to not be impressed with the system in place at carriers here..I feel fortunate that my carrier has no desire/intent to hire DEC's although it has happened on occasion to fill the seats..it is not common practice...several colleagues have left my carrier and pursued greener pastures...different employers have different frustrations and the like... best find the set that suits you best..from two colleagues who went to the far east...they have encountered a whole different set of headaches over there, and personally I find the the situation here to be most desireable of all..despite the disappointments, the Gulf is by far the easiest expat life going these days...many EK pilots and others vent their frustrations here on Pprune, and so be it..we all have them..welcome to expat aviation...nowhere is perfect and if one finds it unbearable then best look after your sanity and that of your family and do the right thing...just think of taxes back home...at least the money you shell out to live here is toward yourself and your family...who gets the tax money you pay elsewhere???
and to the regional jet pilots and others...remember big shiny jets take you farther away from home on longer sectors across many time zones and subsequently destroy and likeness of circadian rythm you might have enjoyed at your regional job..so bear in mind when the big jet "honeymoon" is over...give it 3 months tops...you may find yourself sharing the same sentiments being voiced by others on this forum...careful what you wish for...you might get it...at the end of the day we fly airplanes so we can have a life...
and to the regional jet pilots and others...remember big shiny jets take you farther away from home on longer sectors across many time zones and subsequently destroy and likeness of circadian rythm you might have enjoyed at your regional job..so bear in mind when the big jet "honeymoon" is over...give it 3 months tops...you may find yourself sharing the same sentiments being voiced by others on this forum...careful what you wish for...you might get it...at the end of the day we fly airplanes so we can have a life...
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No I dont work at EK but in the gulf for 15yrs and a bit...many folks come here with hopes and reams of instant wealth, and a huge disposable income..and very quickly become disillusioned..it's simply not the case..you will need time after settling in, setting up the family before any disposeable income becomes apparent..many become disappointed by "shifting goalposts" at their employer as they seek the most "cost effective" means of meeting their crewing needs...and rightfully so..one accustomed to commands and the like by date of hire and seniority are sure to not be impressed with the system in place at carriers here..I feel fortunate that my carrier has no desire/intent to hire DEC's although it has happened on occasion to fill the seats..it is not common practice...several colleagues have left my carrier and pursued greener pastures...different employers have different frustrations and the like... best find the set that suits you best..from two colleagues who went to the far east...they have encountered a whole different set of headaches over there, and personally I find the the situation here to be most desireable of all..despite the disappointments, the Gulf is by far the easiest expat life going these days...many EK pilots and others vent their frustrations here on Pprune, and so be it..we all have them..welcome to expat aviation...nowhere is perfect and if one finds it unbearable then best look after your sanity and that of your family and do the right thing...just think of taxes back home...at least the money you shell out to live here is toward yourself and your family...who gets the tax money you pay elsewhere???
and to the regional jet pilots and others...remember big shiny jets take you farther away from home on longer sectors across many time zones and subsequently destroy and likeness of circadian rythm you might have enjoyed at your regional job..so bear in mind when the big jet "honeymoon" is over...give it 3 months tops...you may find yourself sharing the same sentiments being voiced by others on this forum...careful what you wish for...you might get it...at the end of the day we fly airplanes so we can have a life...
and to the regional jet pilots and others...remember big shiny jets take you farther away from home on longer sectors across many time zones and subsequently destroy and likeness of circadian rythm you might have enjoyed at your regional job..so bear in mind when the big jet "honeymoon" is over...give it 3 months tops...you may find yourself sharing the same sentiments being voiced by others on this forum...careful what you wish for...you might get it...at the end of the day we fly airplanes so we can have a life...
So, to sum it up, I am a pilot's guy, and any pilot who has put in his dues in this industry deserves the best treatment, respect, compensation and benefits....chin up. Thank you
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because I have been in this profesion so long also, and had my share of disappointments.
So, to sum it up, I am a pilot's guy, and any pilot who has put in his dues in this industry deserves the best treatment, respect, compensation and benefits....chin up. Thank you
So, to sum it up, I am a pilot's guy, and any pilot who has put in his dues in this industry deserves the best treatment, respect, compensation and benefits....chin up. Thank you
I have friends in the US who are far brighter, more intelligent and far better aviators than I shall ever be, who through no fault of there own, find themselves furloughed, downgraded, income decimated etc.etc.
I also know a few folks who couldn't fly there way out of a paper bag who earn a great deal more than I do and work less. Does it bother me? I guess in a way it does. Then again I go to work do the best job I can, enjoy the guy/gals I fly with and go home. Am I looking for something better? Sure!! Is Emirates it, I do not know. I have spoken to many on this board who graciously have taken the time to answer my questions. I think Captain America has done a great disservice to the US pilots who work and are interested in going to work at Emirates, by painting a picture of utopia.
down there is very proficient at the "hind-lick" manuever
About leaving , it seems Korean may steal up to 70 captains from EK in the next 12 months on proper commuting jobs with higher salary.
Still may get commands back to 3 years............
Rumor of the Day Award What a sizzler! Good on ya! 4HP
Still may get commands back to 3 years............
Rumor of the Day Award What a sizzler! Good on ya! 4HP
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Seems also that despite TCASs statements to the contrary, the pilot pool is all but dried up with crew shortages due to bite hard Jan/Feb next year. Pilot resignations continue with more due as courses are accepted elsewhere...
New aircraft arriving and TC/AAR still no nearer getting their licences sorted out, there will be some expensive hardware lying around very soon.
New aircraft arriving and TC/AAR still no nearer getting their licences sorted out, there will be some expensive hardware lying around very soon.
