How racist are EK F/D?
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How racist are EK F/D?
Recent posts have indicated the severity of a problem otherwise dormant.
I am shocked that some of the folk I work with can be so blatently racist and bigoted.
Yet they work and live here, you would think that this would tone it down but it has not.
What is worse is the lack of respect and consideration they hold for their cabin crew, so they are not just racist but also social degenerates, whose only answer to a comment is insulting remarks on Arabs and lebos.
That speaks for the quality of people EK has. They are a shame to EK, to their countrymen and to humanity as a whole.
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I am shocked that some of the folk I work with can be so blatently racist and bigoted.
Yet they work and live here, you would think that this would tone it down but it has not.
What is worse is the lack of respect and consideration they hold for their cabin crew, so they are not just racist but also social degenerates, whose only answer to a comment is insulting remarks on Arabs and lebos.
That speaks for the quality of people EK has. They are a shame to EK, to their countrymen and to humanity as a whole.
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Errm, excuse me Mr Shk. I think you had better get the facts right first. How about the racism to the expat flight deck from the Arabs ( not all, just the WHOLE system). If in Quantas, BA, AF, LH, or any other airline, there were white local only meetings. Or a certain payscale for the locals and not for the rest then THATS RACISM> I think you must have got the facts mistakenly round the wrong way.
A certain IBN BATTUTA mechanical chanting ARAB says
" Ramadam is a time to be patient and understand the needs of others"
Shame it is not turned up so that it gets into EVERYONES ears.
A certain IBN BATTUTA mechanical chanting ARAB says
" Ramadam is a time to be patient and understand the needs of others"
Shame it is not turned up so that it gets into EVERYONES ears.
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Critical Whinge;
I am with you, don't get me wrong here.
Being an expat myself I can only see to well where you are coming from.
This said it does not justify the current attitude some F/D have towards their non European colleagues.
All expats regardless of creed, race or religion are in the same boat and have to suffer the shortfalls of the local community
Those who consider themselves from the developed world and prone it day in day out should certainly behave in a moe responsible manner and not like they are actually third world.
2 wrongs don't necessarily make it right and what locals do is no reason to justify this attitude towards other expats.
I am with you, don't get me wrong here.
Being an expat myself I can only see to well where you are coming from.
This said it does not justify the current attitude some F/D have towards their non European colleagues.
All expats regardless of creed, race or religion are in the same boat and have to suffer the shortfalls of the local community
Those who consider themselves from the developed world and prone it day in day out should certainly behave in a moe responsible manner and not like they are actually third world.
2 wrongs don't necessarily make it right and what locals do is no reason to justify this attitude towards other expats.
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“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
This is an excerption of the declaration of independence of the USA.
You know what’s going on in Iraq, don’t you.
Hypocrisy is most of the people’s good name. If you don’t want to get affected by all the stuff around you; switch off your brain.
Cheers.
This is an excerption of the declaration of independence of the USA.
You know what’s going on in Iraq, don’t you.
Hypocrisy is most of the people’s good name. If you don’t want to get affected by all the stuff around you; switch off your brain.
Cheers.
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Oh no! Not the RACIST CARD AGAIN! 
Who gives a rat's arse.....? Lets get REAL!
If a certain hypothetical tribe consisted of nearly all fast runners, would it be racist to generalise and call them FAST RUNNERS? I think not.
Now, if another hypothetical tribe were nearly all ego-centrical, arrogant male chauvinists, would it be racist to generalise and call them L*b***s* (fill in the blanks)? Again, I think not!
For the record, I'm not a racist and want to save the planet so now I'm going outside to hug my tree!
Who gives a rat's arse.....? Lets get REAL!
If a certain hypothetical tribe consisted of nearly all fast runners, would it be racist to generalise and call them FAST RUNNERS? I think not.
Now, if another hypothetical tribe were nearly all ego-centrical, arrogant male chauvinists, would it be racist to generalise and call them L*b***s* (fill in the blanks)? Again, I think not!
For the record, I'm not a racist and want to save the planet so now I'm going outside to hug my tree!
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a tree!
A tree in Dubai!!!
I'd be going outside to hug it as well, thats an amazing thing in the sandpit!
I wish I had a tree in my backyard, well; come to think of it: I wish
I had a backyard!!
I'd be going outside to hug it as well, thats an amazing thing in the sandpit!
I wish I had a tree in my backyard, well; come to think of it: I wish
I had a backyard!!
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Get ya head screwed on shake nick.
Nothing racist about being completely intolerant of people who:
- Are sleazy
- Are slimy
- Are lazy
- Lie to your face while smiling
- Offend women everywhere with the belief that "No, f**k off" means try harder
- Have no manners unless they are caught out being all of the above and are worried for their job
- Get angry and blood-lusted over the slightest perceived sleight to their charming national pride.
Did I miss anything?
No you fool, it has nothing to do with their race. It has EVERYthing to do with their manner.
Go cry racism to someone who cares, mAsscrapone/shake nick.
Nothing racist about being completely intolerant of people who:
- Are sleazy
- Are slimy
- Are lazy
- Lie to your face while smiling
- Offend women everywhere with the belief that "No, f**k off" means try harder
- Have no manners unless they are caught out being all of the above and are worried for their job
- Get angry and blood-lusted over the slightest perceived sleight to their charming national pride.
Did I miss anything?
No you fool, it has nothing to do with their race. It has EVERYthing to do with their manner.
Go cry racism to someone who cares, mAsscrapone/shake nick.
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Hey Shk. nickerbocker
don't try this soft, left leaning liberal crap on us!
the whole uae is a nation devoted to racism. Look at the exploitation of labour. Look at the different sets of rules for different social classes, christ just look at the difference in window tint in cars the next time you're out in the street... racism is insitutionalized here in the uae. remember the pay rise given to gov't employees last spring? 15% across the board, 25% for uae nationals...
on a slightly less ranty note, discrimination is the basis of choice. Without judgement, one may not exercise choice.
Flight Deck exercise choice when choosing with whom to consort. Just because we work on the same aircraft doesn't mean we have to like you or hang out with you. The reverse is also true. I think you are confused as to what it is you perceive. It is just fine for me not to like you, (and I don't). Just shut up and do what you are paid to do.
Life... Get one!
don't try this soft, left leaning liberal crap on us!
the whole uae is a nation devoted to racism. Look at the exploitation of labour. Look at the different sets of rules for different social classes, christ just look at the difference in window tint in cars the next time you're out in the street... racism is insitutionalized here in the uae. remember the pay rise given to gov't employees last spring? 15% across the board, 25% for uae nationals...
on a slightly less ranty note, discrimination is the basis of choice. Without judgement, one may not exercise choice.
Flight Deck exercise choice when choosing with whom to consort. Just because we work on the same aircraft doesn't mean we have to like you or hang out with you. The reverse is also true. I think you are confused as to what it is you perceive. It is just fine for me not to like you, (and I don't). Just shut up and do what you are paid to do.
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Racist EK F/D?
I beg to differ!
Racism? WHAT?
Most of the EK F/d are very professional, (sometimes overly!) friendly and merely get pissed off when none of the the multi-cultural Emirates crew "family" deign to visit them .
Surely it's mere respect to poke your head in and introduce yourself to the Captain, if you have the time? Not to mention the security aspect? How can he id you in a hostile situation otherwise?
Even if you're intimidated by F/D - get over it! We're all a team, right, so even if they're both a pair of idiots, give a thought to the poor GB (Galley-Bitch!!!!!!) at the front that has to communicate with them every 20 minutes! You go in, you come out, gives him/her a bit of a reprieve. What you'll mostly find is that they are lovely, professional guys, ask silly questions, break up the time and LEARN something! Remember, they don't "Buddy Bid" but you rarely hear of bitch fights in the cock-pit!
See you in the F/D then???
Racism? WHAT?
Most of the EK F/d are very professional, (sometimes overly!) friendly and merely get pissed off when none of the the multi-cultural Emirates crew "family" deign to visit them .
Surely it's mere respect to poke your head in and introduce yourself to the Captain, if you have the time? Not to mention the security aspect? How can he id you in a hostile situation otherwise?
Even if you're intimidated by F/D - get over it! We're all a team, right, so even if they're both a pair of idiots, give a thought to the poor GB (Galley-Bitch!!!!!!) at the front that has to communicate with them every 20 minutes! You go in, you come out, gives him/her a bit of a reprieve. What you'll mostly find is that they are lovely, professional guys, ask silly questions, break up the time and LEARN something! Remember, they don't "Buddy Bid" but you rarely hear of bitch fights in the cock-pit!
See you in the F/D then???
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shake altta cash ,
A small diversion if i may:
As a captain exercising my authority in a safety related matter i became unpopular with one very camp male pursur, despite hepling him out. AS a result of his evil mouth i was slagged off by people who had never met me. At a recent social event i confronted the said psr about his unprovoked invective man to man. He failed to give me a reason other than i was a ******. As i live in an equal world i gave him one more chance to explain as he is entitled to his opinion. Nothing but camp vitriol ( while looking for approval from his "girlfriends") came out of his mouth. I advised him that he was playing big boys rules and instigated a level one bitch slap upon him and warned him of the consequences of letting his queen instincts cloud his better judgement where i was concerned. Much squealing, crying and hyperventilating (and that was just me) later the matter was resolved in my favour. It ruined his night , made mine and put all the queens on notice that i was not to be bitched about as i am not one of there chosen world.
I have no idea why he chose his path of invective but the attitude adjustment treatment worked a treat. Not a peek since and no more slagging.
It wasnt my preferred method, i did try to discuss it with him/her but he tried to drag me onto his world and inadvertanly strayed into mine.
Its not limited to lebs, rabs, or any other race these attitudes are a result of the ascendancy of a camp culture made popular the media ie graham norton, and queer eye etc etc.
Each to their own, but as some one said they are colleagues and not friends and should appreciate that not all straight people find them endlessly cute . Some of Their straight colleagues can be just as bad but i believe thats due to a feeling of emasculation in some cases.Thats more for freud or someone to discuss.
And they cant dance better than me.
Shukran
A small diversion if i may:
As a captain exercising my authority in a safety related matter i became unpopular with one very camp male pursur, despite hepling him out. AS a result of his evil mouth i was slagged off by people who had never met me. At a recent social event i confronted the said psr about his unprovoked invective man to man. He failed to give me a reason other than i was a ******. As i live in an equal world i gave him one more chance to explain as he is entitled to his opinion. Nothing but camp vitriol ( while looking for approval from his "girlfriends") came out of his mouth. I advised him that he was playing big boys rules and instigated a level one bitch slap upon him and warned him of the consequences of letting his queen instincts cloud his better judgement where i was concerned. Much squealing, crying and hyperventilating (and that was just me) later the matter was resolved in my favour. It ruined his night , made mine and put all the queens on notice that i was not to be bitched about as i am not one of there chosen world.
I have no idea why he chose his path of invective but the attitude adjustment treatment worked a treat. Not a peek since and no more slagging.
It wasnt my preferred method, i did try to discuss it with him/her but he tried to drag me onto his world and inadvertanly strayed into mine.
Its not limited to lebs, rabs, or any other race these attitudes are a result of the ascendancy of a camp culture made popular the media ie graham norton, and queer eye etc etc.
Each to their own, but as some one said they are colleagues and not friends and should appreciate that not all straight people find them endlessly cute . Some of Their straight colleagues can be just as bad but i believe thats due to a feeling of emasculation in some cases.Thats more for freud or someone to discuss.
And they cant dance better than me.
Shukran
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Worst-Class, thank you for your support.
I have to agree and would like to expand my thoughts and say that all of the English chaps that I have flown with are top hole, what! Not a bad egg amongst them and superb operators to a tee! That's tee, not tea, our preferred beverage, preferably Earl Grey, what?!
It shames me to think that our forefathers trapsed aroud the world and encouraged such acts of barbarism and bad feelings towards the natives, but times have changed. Look chaps, we no longer kill anyone, hold anyone to ransom or wish ill on any of our former colonial subjects. Better times, don't you think, what?
We act according to the constitution of the British Commonwealth and, don't you know, we even smile from time to time! Racist? not us old boy!!
I have to agree and would like to expand my thoughts and say that all of the English chaps that I have flown with are top hole, what! Not a bad egg amongst them and superb operators to a tee! That's tee, not tea, our preferred beverage, preferably Earl Grey, what?!
It shames me to think that our forefathers trapsed aroud the world and encouraged such acts of barbarism and bad feelings towards the natives, but times have changed. Look chaps, we no longer kill anyone, hold anyone to ransom or wish ill on any of our former colonial subjects. Better times, don't you think, what?
We act according to the constitution of the British Commonwealth and, don't you know, we even smile from time to time! Racist? not us old boy!!
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Sheikh,
This is really getting ridiculous! Do you just enjoy kicking and shouting at everyone and everything?
Is this the only way of "venting" your anger??
My goodness!!
It's really turning pathetic now!
(probably more pathetic that I waste my time writing this...)
How racist is the flight deck??? What a strange, generalising comment! And so non-original!!
Especially, putting it all on the Europeans...
Why can't you just accept the fact that not all people get along. Then be professional and get on with it! Certain nationalities have certain "trades" and are mostly joked about. Mine as well! and do I take offence?? No! I just laugh about it!
I perceive racism throughout Dubai, people looking down on me, because I'm a westerner.. And those people haven't even spoken to me and know me.. Do I get pissed off?? Yes! Because I find it disrespectful, but at the end of the day, they are the ones who have to look themselves in the mirror!
So all I've decided, years ago, when I moved here and found out that there are certain nationalities who don't respect other peoples' nationalities, is that it's intolerance, due to a pile up of cultural incomprehensionl.
I think you might have caught that intolerance as well, however towards the flight deck.
I do hope you have heard some of the crew talk about the flight deck, without having spent time with them/talked to them, just because they are from a certain nationality.
This is also disgracefull behavior.
And for the record, I'm not flight deck, I don't date flight deck and I'm not married to one!
I thought we were the oasis in the sky and should keep discovering,
Try and discover that if you don't generalise and talk to people, that the majority isn't that bad!!!
This is really getting ridiculous! Do you just enjoy kicking and shouting at everyone and everything?
Is this the only way of "venting" your anger??
My goodness!!
It's really turning pathetic now!
(probably more pathetic that I waste my time writing this...)
How racist is the flight deck??? What a strange, generalising comment! And so non-original!!
Especially, putting it all on the Europeans...
Why can't you just accept the fact that not all people get along. Then be professional and get on with it! Certain nationalities have certain "trades" and are mostly joked about. Mine as well! and do I take offence?? No! I just laugh about it!
I perceive racism throughout Dubai, people looking down on me, because I'm a westerner.. And those people haven't even spoken to me and know me.. Do I get pissed off?? Yes! Because I find it disrespectful, but at the end of the day, they are the ones who have to look themselves in the mirror!
So all I've decided, years ago, when I moved here and found out that there are certain nationalities who don't respect other peoples' nationalities, is that it's intolerance, due to a pile up of cultural incomprehensionl.
I think you might have caught that intolerance as well, however towards the flight deck.
I do hope you have heard some of the crew talk about the flight deck, without having spent time with them/talked to them, just because they are from a certain nationality.
This is also disgracefull behavior.
And for the record, I'm not flight deck, I don't date flight deck and I'm not married to one!
I thought we were the oasis in the sky and should keep discovering,
Try and discover that if you don't generalise and talk to people, that the majority isn't that bad!!!
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Sheikh Nickabouk,
What exactly did happen, that you have perceived as a racist course of action?
Here are some latest definitions of racism:
Racism has many different definitions. Historically, it has been defined as the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, that a certain race is inherently superior or inferior to others, and/or that individuals should be treated differently according to their racial designation. Sometimes racism means beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. There is a growing, but somewhat controversial, opinion that racism is a system of oppression -- a nexus of racist beliefs, whether explicit, tacit or unconscious; practices; organizations and institutions that combine to discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation, based on that designation.
Dependable on the incident it might have been antipathy:
A strong feeling of aversion or repugnance towards a person. As someone mentioned before, we don’t have to love each other, but must maintain political correctness.
Don’t forget that despite the fact that in general people from ME and western people don’t like each other for several reasons, one of them is stupidity, and that is still far away from taking action against a person based on his/her race.
So without knowing what exactly happened, how are we supposed to classify the event?
What exactly did happen, that you have perceived as a racist course of action?
Here are some latest definitions of racism:
Racism has many different definitions. Historically, it has been defined as the belief that race is the primary determinant of human capacities, that a certain race is inherently superior or inferior to others, and/or that individuals should be treated differently according to their racial designation. Sometimes racism means beliefs, practices, and institutions that discriminate against people based on their perceived or ascribed race. There is a growing, but somewhat controversial, opinion that racism is a system of oppression -- a nexus of racist beliefs, whether explicit, tacit or unconscious; practices; organizations and institutions that combine to discriminate against and marginalize a class of people who share a common racial designation, based on that designation.
Dependable on the incident it might have been antipathy:
A strong feeling of aversion or repugnance towards a person. As someone mentioned before, we don’t have to love each other, but must maintain political correctness.
Don’t forget that despite the fact that in general people from ME and western people don’t like each other for several reasons, one of them is stupidity, and that is still far away from taking action against a person based on his/her race.
So without knowing what exactly happened, how are we supposed to classify the event?
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I agree EK very racist
Especially endemic amongst the flight attendants. Having worked as one years ago in EK, I remember how racist the Indian and pakistani senior crew were to the juniors, they formed their own little gangs and were nasty to white flight attendants just because they could be. Then often downroute, the male crew would ask you out on a date, and if you didnt oblige you would have a report done on you saying you werent up to scratch on your safety and emergency traiinings.........unbelievable!