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On most of EK aircrafts i check on airliners.net there is traces of oil underneath the engine ....weird... on a lot of pictures of different a/c
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...P&photo_nr=109
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...P&photo_nr=109
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It' s because they have the Rolls Royce engines.
Trents my boy!
They're like the Harley Davidson, if they ain't leaking oil, they ain't none in ém.
Old radial engines are like that as well.
Trents my boy!
They're like the Harley Davidson, if they ain't leaking oil, they ain't none in ém.
Old radial engines are like that as well.
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It's normal, the oil breathers are beneath the engine.
The reason you only see this on EK aircraft is that there are not enough ground crew to support and clean the planes when they're on the ground.
You should see the flight decks after a service!
The reason you only see this on EK aircraft is that there are not enough ground crew to support and clean the planes when they're on the ground.
You should see the flight decks after a service!
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I think its because it is engineering policy to fill them up after every turn-around. If there is only 17 litres, then in goes another 2 to fill it up to 18 
Really I think we are continually over-filling, so it goes out the overflow.
Really I think we are continually over-filling, so it goes out the overflow.
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Ruserious ; the engines are not overserviced, they are filled to a full mark on the sightglass which is on the side of the oil tank. If a bit is spilled during servicing, usually with the poor hapless mecahnic hanging on to a pair of rickety steps, then it will drain down the scupper drain and out the mast. The breather will always make a mess of any Trent engine.
Warlock ; Ask yourself who makes a mess in the flight deck and would you be prepared to clean up after someone else ?
Warlock ; Ask yourself who makes a mess in the flight deck and would you be prepared to clean up after someone else ?
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The flight deck is our office. The people working in an office on the ground make a mess and get it cleaned for them every night. Therefore, shouldn't the flight deck be cleaned at least once a day? Some hope. I'm not getting at the engineers, I know they are as overworked as anybody.
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When I have a little extra time before departure I actually take a few minutes to clean the centre console, glareshield and so on. A couple of wet wipes can do wonders. Also, if the cleaners are still on the aircraft when I get on ( usually the case nowadays...) they are more than happy to pop in with their vacuum cleaner to do the carpeting.
Some of the stains are fairly permanent , especially the ones on the commonly used switches so not much one can do about those.
You're right about the engineers. They are very overworked - we're lucky to have someone clear the snags let alone clean the flight deck. At this rate we'll probably soon get authority to sign off the aircraft ourselves..................
Some of the stains are fairly permanent , especially the ones on the commonly used switches so not much one can do about those.
You're right about the engineers. They are very overworked - we're lucky to have someone clear the snags let alone clean the flight deck. At this rate we'll probably soon get authority to sign off the aircraft ourselves..................
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Warlock you raised a very important issue here. Cleaning the flightdeck. Where i work actually cleaning team is not allowed to clean the cockpit unless instructed to do so by the pilot or the mechanic to avoid playing with some buttons.
Second a lot of collegues unfortunatly after the flight leave the cockpit in a desastrous condition. Coffee Cups still in cup holders, ashtray FULL of cigarettes, and open so imagine the mess , bottles of water down the floor, pieces of bread , olives sometimes grains of rice .....
you don't believe the mess i get very mad when i see a dirty cockpit like this , one time a collegue with me almost had a fight with one of the previous crew. I personally before entering the cockpit ask the cleaning team do vaccum on seats as well, I myself clean the headset (with special tissues to disenfect ) as well as common switches and gear lever and thrust lever ect ect ect....( one time during cruise i cleaned 1/3 of the overhead panel of B737)
For a charter compagny i work for now, unfortunatly some collegues are leaving the cockpit dirty after the flight.
I call this DISRESPECT for next crew .It's hard for me to imagine such a thing with a major airline called Emirates.
Second a lot of collegues unfortunatly after the flight leave the cockpit in a desastrous condition. Coffee Cups still in cup holders, ashtray FULL of cigarettes, and open so imagine the mess , bottles of water down the floor, pieces of bread , olives sometimes grains of rice .....
you don't believe the mess i get very mad when i see a dirty cockpit like this , one time a collegue with me almost had a fight with one of the previous crew. I personally before entering the cockpit ask the cleaning team do vaccum on seats as well, I myself clean the headset (with special tissues to disenfect ) as well as common switches and gear lever and thrust lever ect ect ect....( one time during cruise i cleaned 1/3 of the overhead panel of B737
)For a charter compagny i work for now, unfortunatly some collegues are leaving the cockpit dirty after the flight.
I call this DISRESPECT for next crew .It's hard for me to imagine such a thing with a major airline called Emirates.
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yes in fact pilots are smoking in the cockpit, only a couple of headsets per A/C unless you have your own. Low cost charter=Less expenses Compagny don't want to pay each pilot a headset.
I am sorry i know this sound ridiculous but unfortunatly these are the working conditions. Either you accept and fly or you stay home.
I am sorry i know this sound ridiculous but unfortunatly these are the working conditions. Either you accept and fly or you stay home.
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ZMG,
Are you with EK, because I have never had anyone try and smoke in the cockpit at EK. Has anyone? Have you?
It is against the law and against the FOM, so if it ever happens I will get off the airplane. Let them try and fire me for that. Do not forget that EK has never won a lawsiut filed by a pilot, and they would never win one based a pilot's right to smoke in the cockpit either. If you ever have a pilot try and light up in the cockpit get off the airplane!
I too try and clean the cockpit but it is an endless battle at times.
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Are you with EK, because I have never had anyone try and smoke in the cockpit at EK. Has anyone? Have you?
It is against the law and against the FOM, so if it ever happens I will get off the airplane. Let them try and fire me for that. Do not forget that EK has never won a lawsiut filed by a pilot, and they would never win one based a pilot's right to smoke in the cockpit either. If you ever have a pilot try and light up in the cockpit get off the airplane!
I too try and clean the cockpit but it is an endless battle at times.
Regards,
330 Man
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330 man, ZMG refers to the charter company he works for now a couple of posts back! (not EK). Personally, I think most of the crews on the B fleet in EK seem to be paying pretty good consideration to each other as the flight decks seem to be looked after. Besides, I don't mind doing a bit of dusting and screen cleaning while watching another sunrise over the Arabian Sea; I might just fall asleep otherwise 
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Cleaning the flight deck
Arnie, I'm NOT having a go at EK engineering, like us drivers I know you too are overloaded.
I don't like cleaning up after anyone and I generally try and leave the flight deck in the state in which I would like to find it. Granted WE are the ones that mess the place up "superficially" but if you consider what the cabin looks like after a 14 hour flight then I actually think we're not too bad!
What I was ACTUALLY referring to is that aircraft come back from a service with finger prints all over the displays and dirty finger marks all over the panels. Not to mention the bread crumbs etc between them. (And yes, I know that's our fault - refer to paragraph above) I'm sorry if you disagree but this IS an engineering function and if we don't have the manpower to do it, then we should employ them!
How would you feel if you sent your Mercedes / Nissan / Toyota for a service and it came back in that state....?
I don't like cleaning up after anyone and I generally try and leave the flight deck in the state in which I would like to find it. Granted WE are the ones that mess the place up "superficially" but if you consider what the cabin looks like after a 14 hour flight then I actually think we're not too bad!
What I was ACTUALLY referring to is that aircraft come back from a service with finger prints all over the displays and dirty finger marks all over the panels. Not to mention the bread crumbs etc between them. (And yes, I know that's our fault - refer to paragraph above) I'm sorry if you disagree but this IS an engineering function and if we don't have the manpower to do it, then we should employ them!
How would you feel if you sent your Mercedes / Nissan / Toyota for a service and it came back in that state....?
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Warlock - Point taken. I think from memory the mechs. will give all the screens a wipe with the wet and drys on each daily check, it's not called for on a transit. If this is not being done then there is no excuse, it's being signed for !. As you rightly say, if the people are not available, then hire some ( If AAR fancies getting his hands in his pocket, which at the moment I doubt ! ). I am somewhat uncomfortable with being asked on departure to retrieve fruit relics, biscuits, breakfast, lunch, dinner and the like that have been left uncaringly around the flight deck and the floor. You may or may not be aware that the cleaners will use the jump seats for their spoils from the galleys in the same way a squirrel hides hit nuts ! !. Think the squirrel is the clever one, at least he remembers where he left them. An aircraft coming off a maintenance check ought to be as as clean as the day it left the factory, this can only reflect well on engineering. I do believe however that there is some middle ground here and we can all live with the issue . . , now, where's me mop ! 
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I don’t want to ignite a war between engineering and Pilots as I have great respect for what EK engineers accomplish given the resources at their disposal however as a trainer and more so as a Captain I take every opportunity to educate my colleagues and students on the finer points of flight deck etiquette. In short leave it as neat and tidy as you would like to find it. Generally pilots are very receptive of this philosophy and despite the odd crumb books are equipment is left stowed correctly, seats fully forward so as not to impede access and seat belts secured so as not to impinge on the seat tracks. All CDUs and MFDs left in the appropriate configuration free of grease and finger marks. Sadly the aircraft are seldom found in this condition when having undergone maintenance or tow from another stand. Surely this is just a matter of professionalism, and education where it is lacking, on behalf of the engineering department.
I would take the time to write as CSR on this subject if I thought that it would have any effect however as introducing formal policiy on ettiqute would provide no financial benefit to the copmpany it would more than likely be ignored. Perhaps dialouge on this forum will be more effective in bringing about change.
I would take the time to write as CSR on this subject if I thought that it would have any effect however as introducing formal policiy on ettiqute would provide no financial benefit to the copmpany it would more than likely be ignored. Perhaps dialouge on this forum will be more effective in bringing about change.
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Yip Seaman, I can vouch for that.
The reporting TRE was of the goat loving type, the reported one was a TRI and of the fast jet civilised bags of experience type.
The civilised one left blankets (in plastic) on FD for return controlled rest as flt was chockers.
Above said TRI has no chance of TRE, as the goats stiched him up with their Habibbis at DCA before he even landed back from that lay-over.
Just another sad fact about life in EK, along with sad sacks writing CSR about trivial tripe.
The reporting TRE was of the goat loving type, the reported one was a TRI and of the fast jet civilised bags of experience type.
The civilised one left blankets (in plastic) on FD for return controlled rest as flt was chockers.
Above said TRI has no chance of TRE, as the goats stiched him up with their Habibbis at DCA before he even landed back from that lay-over.
Just another sad fact about life in EK, along with sad sacks writing CSR about trivial tripe.
