KSharp

Hello all!

I know there have been threads on this company, however nothing since November of last year. Any info from past and current FECA pilots would be great

I'm looking for the latest information on:

-Pay for Beech 1900 F/O
-Schedule
-Accomodation provided?
-Other allowances or such information I would need to know
-Any other info on the company itself i.e management, current pilots etc.


I am from Canada, so any other pertinent info would be very much appreciated.

Thank you all!

Aussie

Speak to Flying Mechanic, he seems to be in the know!

Desert Budgie

34000US Approx... ALL IN for FO. This is about 10500AED per month. Break down is as follows all numbers are approximates:
-Basic 5500AED
-Housing 4000AED
-Transportation 1000AED
No accomodation provided. Only provided for 3 months in a furnished appartment when you arrive. I believe however approximately half your salary is deducted while you stay there.

Medical Insurance is provided. Its not bad, from AIG Alico.

Per Diems (Flight pay and taxi money) total 1000AED+ depending on how many days you fly.

Roster depends on how many pilots there are. At the moment there are 10 or 11 First Officers, so the hours will be low justnow, anywhere from 50 to 70. Probably fly maybe 10-12 days a month once all are online. However when that number drops, expect anywhere between 16 and 20 flights a month and 80-100 hours.

Routes are as follows.
Doha
Bahrain
Kuwait
Riyadh
Jeddah

Requrements are:CPL/Multi/IR500 TT300 MEB1900 Typerating (Must be on your CPL licence)There are no exceptions to the requirements for now. They are written in the Flight Operations Manual so the GCAA will not allow any applications not meeting those requirements.CV to [email protected] or Fax +9714 2826593

Cheers

DB

KSharp

DB thank you so much for that information. I really do appreciate it.

I currently DO have the BE02 (1900) type rating, and its on a C model. As per the salary, 34,000 US is fairly low for the middle east. That salary is comparable to North America. Is there any room for negotiation or anything?

Also how much would one budget to live in Dubai (not living in a dump but a decent place) with the usual (groceries, rent, gas, car payments etc)

thanks again.

Desert Budgie

Yes, the salaries are quite low!!

Not too much room for negotiation on the salary. Doubt very much theyed move over 34000AED. Most F/Os are on 32500AED and are already furious that new guys with less time are getting paid more. It is the same situation for the captains.

Housing is very expensive if you don't want to live in a s**t hole. A nice studio in International City costs up to 50000AED per year, but who wants to live in their kitchen?! A nice 1 bedroom there is costing 65-70000AED. A 1 bed near the airport in Al Qusais/Al Nadah area will cost 55000AED upwards, but it is on the border with Sharjah and traffic can be a big problem. In town, Mirdif, Deira, Bur Dubai, Satwa you are looking at 80000AED on the low end and up to 140000AED for a 1 bed. Barsha, Marina area and the sky is the limit. Your looking at 120000+++++++++!

Food is not bad, eating in or eating out, youll probably spend 1000AED+ if that.

Internet service is only OK in this part of the world. 1MB will cost about 250AED per month.

Water and Electricity is about 200-300 per month in the winter and up to 750-1000 in the summer. (Air conditioning)

Fuel is cheap, about 80-100AED will fill up a Jeep.

Cars are cheap, and autoloans run at about 4% per year. Pay anywhere from 1000-1500AED per month for something alright.

Satelite TV is between 200 and 300 AED per month. Its OK.

So, on average:
Housing - 6000/-PM
Car- 1200/-PM
Fuel- 300/-PM
Food- 1000/-PM
Internet- 250/-PM
TV- 250/-PM
Wat+Elec- 500/-PM(Summer)

TOTAL-9500AED

As you know, you always spend more than you plan to, so its pretty tough sometimes. However, the job isnt bad and its a good start for someone with low hours. And most of the guys are good and fun to fly with. A Captain will take home around 16000AED, which is more reasonable. Expect an upgrade once you have an ATPL and 1500PIC. Remember, all that right seat time counts as 50% PIC so it can take a while.

Hope this helps

DB

Coastrider26

Those numbers sounds about right but I left FECA bout 3 years ago the salary for a FO was about 10.000 AED a month back then, including the per diem.

masalama

hi coastie hows the dragon trating ya???

FECA's a good first job although the money needs improving, they've been consistently dropping the salary with rising inflation, doesnt make sense but guess they r still getting the guys....

Most people stick around for a couple of years and alumni r flying jets all around the world ...great times we've all had there but no long term job it is, sadly.....
masalama....

sispanys ria

Hi,
as you said there are no exception regarding requirements, does it means nothing can be arranged for people without type rating ?
I have over 3000 TT with about 2500 PIC on HPA turboprops, but I'm not gonna get a type rating just to apply...

KSharp

I'd like to know how morale was at the company. Also does anyone know anything about their maintenance and condition of their aircraft?

Lastly, I hear Middle Eastern companies are notorious for not paying on time. i.e money not being deposited into the employees bank account at the end of the month. Was this ever an issue at FECA?

Thanks

JustFlyin'

Well, one of the things that FECA was good at in my time there is that they paid everybody on time, every time.
But as said by masalama (how's the 737 going!!), the money was just OK, not great, when we left, which with the rising inflation can only have gotten worse.

I found the maintenance generally to a good standard as well.
That is if you can look past all the high speed tape, but ofcourse that is just cosmetic, as was the lack of paint.

Can't really comment on what the morale is now, I left a few years ago.
Morale was really a bit of a mixed bag, depending on who you speak to.

I'm sure you can find enough bad stuff about FECA in the archives, so I won't repeat all of that here. If you can live with that, then it is not a bad (first)job to have. Just don't get too comfortable, as you might miss the boat elswhere.

masalama

justflyin....is that you red skirt????? yep I'll second everything you say , james and his maintenace guys know the 1900 inside out and have to say they did a good job keeping those planes flying.....
money was on the dot always too which is nice....

Coastrider26

"....is FCE which was bent before Falcoon recieved it"

Echo is as bend as a banana, slowest plane in the fleet at the time I was flying it, if you do a bit of research on the tailnumber you'll notice it had a tiny incident on which it left the runway and hit a sign.

OMDB-PiLoT

Hello everyone

I've just completed my CPL and ME IR wtih about 250hrs TT from Australia and thinking about getting 1900 TR. Does anyone here recommend it? If yes, any pointers on where from and how much it will cost?

Can someone please PM and tell me any contact information or the name whom I should speak to in FECA for any prospects?

Also, being born and brought up in Dubai, I'd prefer a job in this city. Therefore, any hopes of me getting a job with Falcon? I know its silly asking all this here, but any recommendations at my stage will definitely help.

Regards

sispanys ria

I would also be interested in finding a way to contact FECA (and expect an answer...)

Desert Budgie

Tel +9714 2826886
Fax +9714 2826593
email [email protected]

I wouldnt get a B1900 type without having the 500TT 300ME. FECAs requirements are written into their FOM so the GCAA won't give a validation for anything less.

Type rating must be on the licence. For example CASA CPL/ME/IR/B1900 or FAA CPL/ME/IR/B1900 etc...etc... in order for the GCAA to convert the licence.

Cheers

DB

Springbok614

hello all!

i see in world airnews that feca is recruiting 1900 drivers and techs.

can anyone in the know tell me how many pilots they employ in total and specifically how many 1900 f/os? accordning to their website, they operate 5 1900's. still the same?

what would the latest pay structure be there?

chied pilots name?

any info much appreciated!

614

fractional

Dubai cargo plane crashes, seven people dead
My thoughts go out to the families of those who lost their lives. God bless!

Desert Budgie

It wasn't a FECA aircraft. It was one of the ACMI companies British Gulf that was involved in the accident. However one of the FECA FMC guys who travels with them to Iraq was killed. RIP

masalama

Yes it was a chartered aircraft , always sad to hear about these things.Especially when the loadmaster on board is someone you've flown with many times.Jay Appukutan was a hardworking , sweet human being and used to make those endless hours /long flights into Iraq/Saudi a bit less harrowing.He always had a sense of humor and was an asset to FECA.

RIP brother , you will be missed.
masalama.

fractional

Still a FedEx flight with goods trusted to be delivered by FedEx in a yet hostile environment despite all the heralded security improvements in the country. Big loss of life. No money can pay it.