Emirates DECs
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From: The lion city
Mick Jager
CAL or EVA does not pay a whole lot more than EK! When you are on the road you are paid USD 2 per hour for the time away from base. There is no educational allowance nor provident funds and the housing allowance is between USD 1000 to 1500 depending on the contract you've signed.
Job security is worse than you have at EK. People here thinking that CAL or EVA have better terms and conditions than EK need to think twice!!!! PM me if you all need more.
cheers
CAL or EVA does not pay a whole lot more than EK! When you are on the road you are paid USD 2 per hour for the time away from base. There is no educational allowance nor provident funds and the housing allowance is between USD 1000 to 1500 depending on the contract you've signed.
Job security is worse than you have at EK. People here thinking that CAL or EVA have better terms and conditions than EK need to think twice!!!! PM me if you all need more.
cheers
Joined: Dec 2002
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From: Pompano Beach,FL- USA
thank you to the last few posters who took the time to clarify what is happening there.
Hours are some measure of ability,but just piling up hours doesn't mean much.
I also find it interesting worldwide in some places that not being current appear to be a "big deal". Every airline is going to make you go through THEIR training program. While I have not flown a 777 or 767 in a few years, it would not take long to requalify. There is a great commonality between Boeings.
But I am not looking for a job. It appears to me that the job propects are better a year later than last year when I was looking.
I went back and saw the posting by ETOPS777.
Unless I put the wrong information in my handheld pocket calculator, EK paid way less than CAL. Of course, one has to take apples and apples. Most recently, many of the CAL guys are exceeding 70 hours which is the only guarantee. And sometimes CAL does cancel a flight and you lose the pay to the minimum 70 hours.
I have looked at the EK website a few times after the DEC Captain program started. I only calculated about $7000/month for a 777 Captain. Maybe that is the base number for the minimum hours,but if that is correct and that is the pay, it is substantially less than CAL is paying.
Now I agree that CAL does not pay for educational funds to educate children. So if you have kids and that is important, you either don't apply, pay it yourself, or commute as most of the people do.
I think that some airlines out there did or do pay more than the CAL housing allowance. But again it just depends what standard you want and whether you have a house of kids or any expensive demanding wife.
I am waiting to be convinced.
Hours are some measure of ability,but just piling up hours doesn't mean much.
I also find it interesting worldwide in some places that not being current appear to be a "big deal". Every airline is going to make you go through THEIR training program. While I have not flown a 777 or 767 in a few years, it would not take long to requalify. There is a great commonality between Boeings.
But I am not looking for a job. It appears to me that the job propects are better a year later than last year when I was looking.
I went back and saw the posting by ETOPS777.
Unless I put the wrong information in my handheld pocket calculator, EK paid way less than CAL. Of course, one has to take apples and apples. Most recently, many of the CAL guys are exceeding 70 hours which is the only guarantee. And sometimes CAL does cancel a flight and you lose the pay to the minimum 70 hours.
I have looked at the EK website a few times after the DEC Captain program started. I only calculated about $7000/month for a 777 Captain. Maybe that is the base number for the minimum hours,but if that is correct and that is the pay, it is substantially less than CAL is paying.
Now I agree that CAL does not pay for educational funds to educate children. So if you have kids and that is important, you either don't apply, pay it yourself, or commute as most of the people do.
I think that some airlines out there did or do pay more than the CAL housing allowance. But again it just depends what standard you want and whether you have a house of kids or any expensive demanding wife.
I am waiting to be convinced.
Joined: Oct 2003
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From: burford
Emirates: Tecchnical exam
Hi.I am one of the prospective DEC guys trying to get a job with EK.I have an imminent interview.Has anyone got a bunch of sample questions (and answers!!) from the technical exam presented at the interview?
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From: middle east
Dorman
By all means come to Dubai and try and get a job, I wish you luck. But if you think you are going to get some assistance from the guys here, then I would say you have misinterpreted the situation.
Cop U Later
The Rev
By all means come to Dubai and try and get a job, I wish you luck. But if you think you are going to get some assistance from the guys here, then I would say you have misinterpreted the situation.
Cop U Later
The Rev
Joined: Aug 2000
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From: world
Been in DXB less than 10 years and this is the lowest I have felt. My plans to work at EK for the next 20+ years have been drastically changed.
I know it will eat away at me over the coming years (as it will to others too) so it can only go downhill from now.
If nothing is done on the 21st by the pilot's attending via a strong turnout, mission statement and show of hands then we are absolutely screwed!! This is our Alamo!!!
Finally, be clear in what we say but don't turn the 21st into a shouting match or they (management) will shut us out for good.
I know it will eat away at me over the coming years (as it will to others too) so it can only go downhill from now.
If nothing is done on the 21st by the pilot's attending via a strong turnout, mission statement and show of hands then we are absolutely screwed!! This is our Alamo!!!
Finally, be clear in what we say but don't turn the 21st into a shouting match or they (management) will shut us out for good.
DIRECTOR
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From: U.K.
brownoser If you EK Pilots don't behave yourselves and do as you are told and accept everthing that is thrown at you by your management then we in Singapore will despatch the Senile Minister to deal with you "big Ego Pilots"
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Brownoser, your last point is all important; the guys at the meeting MUST keep their cool and put their points forward in a logical & non-emotive manner. Let's hope management does the same.
The other major point is that of "numbers". I hope that every EK pilot in Dubai on 21st will make the effort to attend the meeting. To not do so is saying "bring on the ky!"
EK is in crisis, and this is obviously the opportunity management has to demonstrate how they intend to go on from here, and into the forseeable future. If they choose to do so with a loyal, motivated and safe flight ops department, then we should see some major positive changes come out of this meeting. On the other hand, if they choose to go blindly ahead into this massive expansion without addressing these crisis issues then I have only two words.......Gulf Air. And I pray I'm wrong!
To EK management......PLEASE stand by the people who have helped build your airline to where it is today; you wouldn't be enjoying your present success without them.
Fingers crossed!
The other major point is that of "numbers". I hope that every EK pilot in Dubai on 21st will make the effort to attend the meeting. To not do so is saying "bring on the ky!"
EK is in crisis, and this is obviously the opportunity management has to demonstrate how they intend to go on from here, and into the forseeable future. If they choose to do so with a loyal, motivated and safe flight ops department, then we should see some major positive changes come out of this meeting. On the other hand, if they choose to go blindly ahead into this massive expansion without addressing these crisis issues then I have only two words.......Gulf Air. And I pray I'm wrong!
To EK management......PLEASE stand by the people who have helped build your airline to where it is today; you wouldn't be enjoying your present success without them.
Fingers crossed!
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From: Arizona USA
EK in crisis?
The only 'crisis' at EK is the egos of the F/O's who, having been naive enough to believe, that direct entry Captains were not in the cards in the first place.
It had to happen...and it did.
All this prior talk about 'we must maintain our standards' and 'only we know how to operate in the Gulf'...what a bunch of nonsense.
Yes, it would indeed seem that the 'junior' guys need direction, and it will come from DEC's, courtesy of management who have finally come to the conclusion that these 'senior' guys are really needed.
The only 'crisis' at EK is the egos of the F/O's who, having been naive enough to believe, that direct entry Captains were not in the cards in the first place.
It had to happen...and it did.
All this prior talk about 'we must maintain our standards' and 'only we know how to operate in the Gulf'...what a bunch of nonsense.
Yes, it would indeed seem that the 'junior' guys need direction, and it will come from DEC's, courtesy of management who have finally come to the conclusion that these 'senior' guys are really needed.
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From: Dubai - sand land.
Funny isn't it 411 how many of these "experienced" guys who are applying are dropping out at the sim evaluation, for various reasons such as ignoring GPWS in IMC below MSA etc etc....
Besides it's not just a bunch of pissed off F/O's - who as you don't seem to understand are all very experienced pilots before joining EK. It's also all of the 6 year and below captains and trainers who will get paid less than DEC's. I suggest you keep your opinions where they aren't wanted - ie back in 'lil old arizona
Besides it's not just a bunch of pissed off F/O's - who as you don't seem to understand are all very experienced pilots before joining EK. It's also all of the 6 year and below captains and trainers who will get paid less than DEC's. I suggest you keep your opinions where they aren't wanted - ie back in 'lil old arizona
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From: Arizona USA
"...depth of the FO body at EK...".
Deep alright, in deep doggie do-do.
And of course DE Captains are going to be paid more, has always been thus in the Middle East.
Been there, done that.
Pity those that joined before never knew the score. Like I mentioned, naive.
Deep alright, in deep doggie do-do.
And of course DE Captains are going to be paid more, has always been thus in the Middle East.
Been there, done that.
Pity those that joined before never knew the score. Like I mentioned, naive.
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From: the ridge where the west commences
Mark that post above well lads:
Should you ever become a pompous, asinine, bitter and twisted individual, motivated solely by schadenfreude, having reached that 'certain age' and have no real accomplishments other than a crop of piles and logbooks, you too might make a splenetic and pissy little post like that.
What you probably wouldn't do, unless addled to an extravagant degree, is to publish that same juvenalia a thousand times over.
Avert your eyes, crippled individual passing.
Should you ever become a pompous, asinine, bitter and twisted individual, motivated solely by schadenfreude, having reached that 'certain age' and have no real accomplishments other than a crop of piles and logbooks, you too might make a splenetic and pissy little post like that.
What you probably wouldn't do, unless addled to an extravagant degree, is to publish that same juvenalia a thousand times over.
Avert your eyes, crippled individual passing.