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Old 3rd Jun 2013, 13:52
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Class 1 Medical

It looks as though your first question has already been answered. Regarding the blood test, the one for haemoglobin is just a finger prick, which Class 1s should have at every medical. However, a Class 1 requires a cholesterol level at the initial exam. and again at 40, or if there is any doubt about whether it may be raised, and for that, a blood sample will be needed. As far as the lumps in the neck are concerned, it would help greatly if you could take along the report that you received from the doctor who told everything was OK.
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Old 4th Jun 2013, 13:15
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BP limits are 150/90 for class 1. Anything in excess of that won't necessarily deny you the issue of the medical, but will delay its issue until you can demonstrate that your normal BP is within these limits.

White coat anxiety is a pain, and much like Heathrow Director, i too don't get along with the blood pressure machines. As mentioned, the AME's are well aware of this! I suggest that when they strap you to the machine, completely relax your body (slouch to the point where you are barely sitting in the chair - so much so that even your head is hanging limp) and control your breathing - deep, slow breaths. Smile and think of something that makes you happy.

All the best.
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Old 1st Jul 2013, 17:03
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Myopia surgery

Hey guys,

Ane of you have been under eye surgery for myopia ?


I'm thinking about it, but I'm not sure,


Thanks!
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Old 2nd Jul 2013, 23:31
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Is it correct that your refractive error is your Sph + (Cyl/2) ? For example: Sph: +3.00 Cyl: -5.25 = (+3.00) + (-2.65) = +0.375?

Just trying to get my head around all this number crunching.

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Old 9th Jul 2013, 19:46
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Astigmatism

Evening all
Here's the situation. I think that my eyesight falls out of the boundaries by a single point on a single criteria (Cylinder). I've read through this whole thread and there's loads of great info but it's a little hazy on this point.So anyway here's my prescription - if anyone can advise me I'd be very grateful. As far as I can see (haha - not so much) it's only the cylinder I've highlighted that's out by 0.25 which will preclude me from a Class 1 and Class 2 medical.

Thanks for looking

Right Left

Sphere -1.75 -1.25
Cylinder +2.25 +1.50
Axis 172 180
Distance Acuity 6/6+ 6/4.5
Near acuity N5 N5
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Old 11th Jul 2013, 05:35
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I wonder, could anyone offer any personal experience or advice? My myopia is over the basic limits for a Class 1 initial. I have a current class 2 medical and had resigned myself to the consolation prize of PPLing but I still can't help but wonder if the wording of the eyesight requirement might allow an exception to be made in my case and that I might still pass a Class 1 and have a chance at a late starting flying career.

I am -7.75 & +0.75 in the left eye and -6.25 & +1.00 in the right, but the good news is that the correction works and I can see 6/6 with single vision contacts or glasses. Is there an abslolute limit for myopia beyond which no exceptions are made, or is there discrection for perfect correction?
It does certainly seem that there are provisions in place for those who exceed the uncorrected limit.

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(d) Refractive error
(1) At initial examination an applicant may be assessed as fit with:
(i) hypermetropia not exceeding +5.0 dioptres;
(ii) myopia not exceeding –6.0 dioptres;
(iii) astigmatism not exceeding 2.0 dioptres;
(iv) anisometropia not exceeding 2.0 dioptres
provided that optimal correction has been considered and no significant pathology is demonstrated.

(2) Initial applicants who do not meet the requirements in (1)(ii), (iii) and (iv) above should be referred to the licensing authority. A fit assessment may be considered following review by an ophthalmologist.
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Old 11th Jul 2013, 23:34
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AI321, best news I've heard in ages, but still a little unclear. I have anisometropia of 2.5 diopters. Am otherwise fine for a class 1.

2 questions:

1. The visual system GM suggests that those who fail the myopia, astigmatism and anisometropia requirements should be referred to the licensing authority and reviewed by an ophthalmologist. Are there cases of anyone subsequently actually getting a class 1 following that review?

2. It may be bad drafting, but the GM suggests that those who should be referred are those who fail all three requirements (ie, those who do not meet the requirements of (ii), (iii) AND (iv). That's not right, is it?
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Old 12th Jul 2013, 22:37
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Hi, first of all I got myopia (-7,5 in both eyes). This is beyond the limit for class 1. I don't know about UK, but in Poland new EASA rules replaced JAR just on April 8th. I read new rules and saw that there is a hope in "(2) Initial applicants who do not meet the requirements(...)".
So, I wrote to ULC (polish equivalent of CAA) and got a reply from one of the main licensing guys. He told me, that the rule actually applies and people who do not meet above requirements will be reffered to licensing authority and, if the ophthalmologist gives the green light, there are CHANCES of obtaining class 1.
So, I believe that even if consultation works well for us, licensing authority can still classify us as unfit
All I can say for sure is: I don't know any people who passed their 1 class examination that way, mostly because EASA is new in Poland. And for second part of your question, you are right, you will be reffered to licensing authority only if you fail one of the regulations.
I'm going to call to one of the aviation ophthalmologists on Monday, I will ask him what depends on positive consultation resulting in passing class 1 eye examination.
I believe the ophthalmologist will have to do some other eye tests, that are not included in class 1 standard vision examination.
There is some information about it (from CAA website):

Assessment should be conducted by, or under the supervision of, an ophthalmologist and ensure that there is no underlying pathology or other ocular abnormalities. Monocular visual acuities shall be 6/6 or better. Assessment shall include:
1) Dilated, binocular, indirect ophthalmoscopy in cases of myopia exceeding –6.00 dioptres
2) Corneal topography at initial assessment (and at renewal where there is significant change in refraction) in cases of astigmatism exceeding 2.00 dioptres.
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Old 14th Jul 2013, 12:10
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So here's the update.
When I called Gatwick to ask if I could book a Class 1 medical, I was, as expected, asked for my glasses prescription.
To cut a long story short, they have invited me for a medical where the opthalmologist is going to examine my eyes more closely. The lady I spoke to said it was very positive, because if it was likely that my eyesight would fail the test they wouldn't have invited me. Fingers crossed....
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Old 20th Jul 2013, 19:10
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Unhappy Easa class one medical help

I would love to be an airline pilot it is my all time dream in any capacity in any country to fly a plane and be a pilot! I live in the uk and unfortunately can't pass the class one medical I would pass on every other variable apart from eye sight my refractive error is higher than + 5 apart from this I'd pass! Is there ANYTHING I can do to get a class one? I'm aware the CASA and FAA do not set limits on refractive error could this be an option anything at all I'm willing to do please help any advice is appreciated ! Cheers !
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Darn! Life is a bi*ch sometimes!

Have you asked this question to the guy who did your medical?

Otherwise find a way to emigrate and start your flying career in the US (I know that's much easier said than done though)

P.S. It's probably wise to phone up a few eye doctors and see what they have to say on the matter

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Old 20th Jul 2013, 20:52
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Blooming tell me about it!!! I haven't actually done the medical yet! Just done abit of pre research before I splash out 200 quid I've emailed the CAA for advice and few other independent caa officers I had a reply off one and he said refractive surgary is usually accepted lets hope!!!!!!
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Class one medical vision help!!!

Hi I've always wanted to be an airline pilot always! However I understand that to pass a uk caa class one med you need to have a LOWER refractive error than +5 I'm over by 1 and 1.5 In my left and right eye respectively is there anything that I can do ?!?!?!? Anything at all to become a pilot

Is there anything that I can do abroad ?

Is there anything I can do in the uk?

Is the CAA class one defiantly out of reach for me ?!?!

Any advice would be greatly appreciated !
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 10:35
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Using glasses - Tell CAA when? Do I need to tell?

If you hold a valid Class 1 medical and you are able to pass it without glasses.

But you don't have 1,0 on each eye but you are within the limits to pass the Class 1 without restrictions. You maybe have around 0,8 or 0,9. Then you don't need glasses to pass the Class 1 medical.

You also do not use glasses in your normal daytime. But you feel that when driving car in dark and sometimes day or watching tv you can cope without glasses but you sometimes feel that it would feel more relaxing to your eyes if you had a couple of glasses to get a little more clear sight.

If you get glasses only for those occasions, sometimes for car driving and tv watching. Is that something you need to tell your medical examiner or CAA?

If I understand the rules correctly it says that if you need glasses regulary you should tell the CAA or medical examiner. But in this case when you only wish to use glasses now or then on special occasions but not all day long. And you still pass Class 1 medical without glasses.

Do I need to tell the CAA about that? Or where is the line between using glasses regulary and not?

Thanks!
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Old 1st Aug 2013, 11:07
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Tell the doc at your medical and he may say you have to carry a spare pair of specs. Happens to all of us as we age.
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Old 10th Aug 2013, 13:15
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Please help vision question

I'm about to send my vision off to mr chorley at gatwick, I've been told by an AME that you can pass the vision even if you're over +5 now with extensive tests my vision is ...

5.5 S + 1.25 C in my left 6/6

6.5 S + 1.25 in my right 6/7.5

What are the chances of me getting through my vision?

I'm 17 and have had that same prescription for the last 10 years

I also wear contact lenses !
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Pilot job prospects with glasses ?

Hi I'm 17 and have always wanted to be a pilot :-)

I am applying for a CAA class one medical shortly to hopefully enable me to continue with my dream! Hopefully il pass :-)

However I have a high prescription my eyes aren't great however there corrected to the required standard and I'm told I still can pass with further eye checks !

Just wondering will the fact I have glasses and a high prescription affect me when applying for jobs ? Will it make me a less attractive candidate to airlines or as long as I have my class one medical will I be ok?

My eyes again to reiterate Are corrected to just as good as everyone else (6/6 20/20) I just have a strong prescription !


Do airlines even look further than the class one or will presenting that on interview or application be enough ?
Will my prescription affect me?
Thanks very much!

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Old 11th Aug 2013, 21:30
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Let me google that for you

Sorry I couldn't help myself, just a bit of a joke. Information is as below. Generally once you have passed the initial medical you are sorted as long as your eyesight can be corrected adequately. Companies would not frown on poor eyesight as long as it is corrected, I'm pretty sure.

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Initial Class 1 (Professional Pilot) Medical Examination Eyesight - Eye examination form (MED 162)

Eyesight requirements are listed in the Class 1 Visual Standards guidance material. If you wear glasses or contact lenses it is important to take your last optician’s report along to the examination. An applicant may be assessed as fit with hypermetropia not exceeding +5.0 dioptres, myopia not exceeding -6.0 dioptres, astigmatism not exceeding 2.0 dioptres, and anisometropia not exceeding 2.0 dioptres, provided that optimal correction has been considered and no significant pathology is demonstrated. Monocular visual acuities should be 6/6 or better.
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Old 11th Aug 2013, 21:31
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Pilot job prospects with glasses ?

Are you eligible for eye surgery (I mean technically speaking) ? It might be your best bet, not mentioning the huge convenience factor (I can personally attest .
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Thanks for you're replys! I can pass (so I've been told ) and my eyes are corrected to 20/20 so that's good positive news ! Thank you :-)
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