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Collective Colour Vision Thread 4

Old 7th Jun 2018, 14:54
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The CAD test.

Hey guys,

I'm currently holding off from going for my medical until I am confident and understand the CAD test. I've poured over the CAA guidance material but one thing still confuses me, the GM says you can pass if you are below 12 protan or below 6 deutan. Now this is where I get confused, i have a little app that simulates the CAD test and the results are given as how they'd appear at the medical. Usually I come out with 1 protan and 5 deutan so my question is can you still pass the medical if you have both protan and deautan?

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Old 10th Jun 2018, 02:48
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Originally Posted by simone993 View Post
Interest on this post, is your beyne lantern test been accepted? Iím in the same situation! Thanks!
Yes Beynes Lantern Test is accepted Europe-wide. Lots of airlines require a local ATPL license though - so you have to convert your ATPL to the ATPL of the country where the airline is. In order to have an ATPL issued in another country, you also need to transfer your medical records to that country. This is however not a problem, as Beynes is accepted by EASA
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Old 11th Jun 2018, 09:18
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Originally Posted by akag View Post
Yes Beynes Lantern Test is accepted Europe-wide. Lots of airlines require a local ATPL license though - so you have to convert your ATPL to the ATPL of the country where the airline is. In order to have an ATPL issued in another country, you also need to transfer your medical records to that country. This is however not a problem, as Beynes is accepted by EASA
Thank you!!!
Am I required to present a report of the beyne test that includes test results, machine settings and all the oculistic stuff? Because if itís necessary Iíll ask the AeMC where I performed the test to release me this document and so Iíll be more relaxed for the next renewals or conversion. Do you know if are there problems to convert into CAA UK because in their site they say lantern test are not nowadays performed and not accepted by them. Is it only refer to an-initio candidates?
Thanks!
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Old 17th Jun 2018, 22:26
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Aspiring PPL with CVD in Australia

Hi everyone,
I truly don't know where the proper place to put this is, so my sincere apologies if this is totally incorrect...
Original question posted on reddit, but was directed here (can't place URL here, but its in r/flying if you're interested)

I'll copy/paste what I've asked there, but please let me know if you need any clarification...
I haven't gone for my first medical, but I know I'll fail the Ishihara - I've failed it plenty in my youth.Deducing that I should go to my DAME, I'll receive a Class 2 medical with a restriction of "day VFR only", I'll then attempt a Farnsworth Lantern test. I have no idea (honestly) if I'll pass that or not, as I have no reference point.Should I fail the lantern, that's okay - it's all about being responsible and maintaining the safety of myself and others. If I can't pass, I'll live with that.Assuming everything else goes fine, and I have a Class 2 with that restriction, I'd like to fully understand what that means? Essentially the logic of that sentence structure...So I'll only be allowed to fly during the day, AND under VFR? Would I be allowed to fly during the day under IFR, provided I got my IR eventually?

Thank you for your time, in advance.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 02:24
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Originally Posted by pponte View Post
Hi all,

I'm starting a whatsapp group for cvds in Europe.


Happy to set to others for other regions.

I need to understand how many are still struggling with this, what can be done about this and who'd support, thanks.
Pponte would you please add me to the group? My name is Matias I'm from Argentina.
I'll send you a pm
Thank you

You canít use the Private Messaging system, add url links or images until you have an established posting history.
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 12:29
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Originally Posted by simone993 View Post

Thank you!!!
Am I required to present a report of the beyne test that includes test results, machine settings and all the oculistic stuff? Because if itís necessary Iíll ask the AeMC where I performed the test to release me this document and so Iíll be more relaxed for the next renewals or conversion. Do you know if are there problems to convert into CAA UK because in their site they say lantern test are not nowadays performed and not accepted by them. Is it only refer to an-initio candidates?
Thanks!
That's a good point. I would guess it is only for people getting the MC1 for the first time. Otherwise, pilots with successful careers on passed lantern tests would lose their medical and job. The question is whether this also applies to people who already have an EASA MC1 from another European country and would like to convert it into a EASA UK MC1...?
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 22:50
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I don't think that people with "bulletproof" carrers will be grounded as the CV problem is not like to change with time (excluding every relevant med condition that could lead to a loss of CV), honestly I never heard of UK pilots who have seen their class 1 refused after this change. Because the lantern tests (Beyne, Spectrolux or HW) are still used nowadays in most of the AeMCs (Italy, Netherlands, Sweden, Spain, France, etc), this could lead to a massive legal action that I think EASA is not willing to face. I think that when EASA will recommend the move to CAD they will use the same legislation path that followed UAE: so basically who have undertaken a lantern or anomaloscope test in an approved AeMC before the CAD entering will be not required to sit the test again. Every opinion about this matter is well accepted!!!
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Old 13th Jul 2018, 22:59
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From GCAA CV regulation:

"(i) Initial Applicants for Class 1 who fail the Ishihara’s test, or

(ii) Renewal Applicants who previously passed screening test and failed the current screening testing, or

(iii) Holder of Foreign waiver at initial GCAA Medical application, or

(iv) Current holder of GCAA Medical Class 1 who had previously granted a waiver based on foreign waiver/or advance colour vision tests not approved by GCAA.

Note: Current GCAA Licence Holders who had previously passed Anomaloscopy or Lantern testing acceptable to GCAA (Holmes Wright, Beynes, or Spectrolux) are not required to take CAD test."
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Old 24th Jul 2018, 09:59
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Hi Guys, I recently did the Ishihara and Lantern test and failed both miserably. Booked in to do the CAD test in Heathrow next week.

Has anyone done the CAD test recently at Heathrow? Or anyone failed the Ishihara and Lantern test but passed the CAD?

Cheers folks!
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Old 18th Aug 2018, 22:41
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Originally Posted by lqid View Post
Hi everyone,
I truly don't know where the proper place to put this is, so my sincere apologies if this is totally incorrect...
Original question posted on reddit, but was directed here (can't place URL here, but its in r/flying if you're interested)

I'll copy/paste what I've asked there, but please let me know if you need any clarification...
I haven't gone for my first medical, but I know I'll fail the Ishihara - I've failed it plenty in my youth.Deducing that I should go to my DAME, I'll receive a Class 2 medical with a restriction of "day VFR only", I'll then attempt a Farnsworth Lantern test. I have no idea (honestly) if I'll pass that or not, as I have no reference point.Should I fail the lantern, that's okay - it's all about being responsible and maintaining the safety of myself and others. If I can't pass, I'll live with that.Assuming everything else goes fine, and I have a Class 2 with that restriction, I'd like to fully understand what that means? Essentially the logic of that sentence structure...So I'll only be allowed to fly during the day, AND under VFR? Would I be allowed to fly during the day under IFR, provided I got my IR eventually?

Thank you for your time, in advance.
if you pass the Farnsworth or CAD for a class 2, it is also sufficient for a class 1. There is no distinction between Class 1/2 for colour vision

if you fail the CAD, you will only be able to fly Day & VFR. No night, no IFR.

You can fly CPL day/Vfr eg instructing, Charter etc.
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Old 24th Sep 2018, 01:25
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Hey guys looking for any advice regarding the CAD. Sat the CAD twice scored 13.35 and 12.04. I hold expired UK class one and ICAO class one. Passed the Farnsworth D15 and lantern test at Gatwick for the class one in 09. I'm trying to gain a class one in UAE but can't pass the CAD it seems. Any advice out there.. Cheers in advance.
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Old 14th Dec 2018, 01:46
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Philippines Medical

Greetings to all,

To anyone that have some insight into the medical requirements in Philippines..

Please advise, is there an alternative test that can be taken beside Ishihara Test? And also, could you share with the information regarding the AME in Philippines that I can get in touch with? Really appreciate on all of your feedbacks.

Thank you.

Regards.
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 07:19
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Ishihara on Medical revalidation Class I

Hello,

Anybody knows an AME or a specific country where on the yearly revalidation of Class 1 they don't test on ishihara plates?

Thanks
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Old 18th Jan 2019, 19:18
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With EASA it is only tested once, never again on the yearly check.
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Old 21st Jan 2019, 11:09
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You guys may want to go through it. Let me know what are your thoughts.

> caa.govt.nz/assets/legacy/medical/Med_Info_Sheets/MIS006. pdf

I canít post the url here, so combine it first for search.

Best regards.
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Old 22nd Jan 2019, 20:02
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Colour vision

Hi I had my 1 class medical test yesterday on 21.01.2019 i received a bad news , i can't have the certificate because i have deutan colour blindness, is not very strong , but i failed and i'm ruined ,I dont know what to do!!

so is my career of commercial pilot compromised? Any thing else I can do?

cheers,
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Old 3rd Feb 2019, 21:57
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Originally Posted by Marteniuc View Post
Hi I had my 1 class medical test yesterday on 21.01.2019 i received a bad news , i can't have the certificate because i have deutan colour blindness, is not very strong , but i failed and i'm ruined ,I dont know what to do!!

so is my career of commercial pilot compromised? Any thing else I can do?

cheers,
Sorry to hear that !
What colour test where you given ?
I would assume that you had the Ishihara test.
I fail that every time I've been tested (in my case annually) but can comfortably pass both lantern tests.
Your next step, try and arrange another test.

Good Luck !
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Old 8th Mar 2019, 18:15
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Hey guys, I'm in much need of some help! I have been stuck in a 2-year battle now to get my EASA class 1 medical with no success

Essentially to make a long story short : I passed both the Holmes Wright Lantern A and the Anomaloscope with a matching range of 4 scale units or less, but for some reason I cannot pass this CAD test (this inaccurate piece of rubbish that has no relation to aviation at all), I took the CAD test 3 times going from original score of 16 to 12 ! Just shows you, not 100 percent accurate at all.
Now according to the EASA regulation Med B075 you should be examined either by. Meaning, if you pass any one of the 3 tests you should be issued a class 1 medical. However, the CAA as you maybe aware changed their regulation quite considerably to only accepting the CAD or normal colour vision individuals on the Anomaloscope. Meaning I was unable to get my UK class 1, even though at the time of my testing the old regulation was still in place.

So when communicating to another EASA state about this, in which they still follow EASA regulation, they said ďThe authorityís interpretation of this either by is, that only one of the advanced colour perception tests needs to be completed and passed, not to try all of them until one is passed.
Please be informed that this will be our last statement in this matter".

Now I have no idea what to do in this situation, all my test was conducted at the same test centre as a battery of tests so there was no way for me to just sit one test, and I wasnít going around to see which one I can pass (however this should be acceptable anyways ?!) Many different people go around to find a test they can pass.
So, I feel like I'm being told to shut up by the medical department like Iím not allowed to have my opinion.

So my two questions are : Has anyone passed their class 1 with a multitude of different tests which some are fails? Basically, any situation similar to mine.
Has anyone got any advice they can give me about what to do regarding this and how I can get my class 1?
Thanks in advance!
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Old 9th Mar 2019, 16:05
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Originally Posted by aviator2345 View Post
Hey guys, I'm in much need of some help! I have been stuck in a 2-year battle now to get my EASA class 1 medical with no success

Essentially to make a long story short : I passed both the Holmes Wright Lantern A and the Anomaloscope with a matching range of 4 scale units or less, but for some reason I cannot pass this CAD test (this inaccurate piece of rubbish that has no relation to aviation at all), I took the CAD test 3 times going from original score of 16 to 12 ! Just shows you, not 100 percent accurate at all.
Now according to the EASA regulation Med B075 you should be examined either by. Meaning, if you pass any one of the 3 tests you should be issued a class 1 medical. However, the CAA as you maybe aware changed their regulation quite considerably to only accepting the CAD or normal colour vision individuals on the Anomaloscope. Meaning I was unable to get my UK class 1, even though at the time of my testing the old regulation was still in place.

So when communicating to another EASA state about this, in which they still follow EASA regulation, they said ďThe authorityís interpretation of this either by is, that only one of the advanced colour perception tests needs to be completed and passed, not to try all of them until one is passed.
Please be informed that this will be our last statement in this matter".

Now I have no idea what to do in this situation, all my test was conducted at the same test centre as a battery of tests so there was no way for me to just sit one test, and I wasnít going around to see which one I can pass (however this should be acceptable anyways ?!) Many different people go around to find a test they can pass.
So, I feel like I'm being told to shut up by the medical department like Iím not allowed to have my opinion.

So my two questions are : Has anyone passed their class 1 with a multitude of different tests which some are fails? Basically, any situation similar to mine.
Has anyone got any advice they can give me about what to do regarding this and how I can get my class 1?
Thanks in advance!
Hi!
I read your post, so Iíll try to help you but I need some more infos: did they release you the class 1 two years ago? Why did they test you with lantern and Anomaloscope if at the end they wanted you to pass only CAD? This sounds a little bit odd!!
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Old 12th Mar 2019, 10:19
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Hi Simone
Thanks for your offer to help, really appreciate it !
To help clarify some points:
My testing was done originally at City uni as a battery of tests which I sent to the CAA, I originally thought you only have to send one of the tests which you pass, so hence I sent them just the pass of the HWL,however, the CAA requested to see all the testing including my failed CAD test. Then I went through all the appeals processes and even to the final appeal, I was trying to say to the CAA your not following regulation, I've passed two tests. But according to the CAA those test are rubbish?!?! The CAA then got me to do 2 more CAD tests of which I failed but got better results at . To then deny my class 1.

I wanted to then get a second opinion from another EASA ophthalmologist in another country regarding my testing, who said I should pass my class 1 medical however I should come and do a medical there.
I did so ,I got my class 1 medical in a different EASA state , which was then made invalid by the UK CAA because I had two licensing authorities at one time.
So I was furious getting mislead, thrown about, and the regulatory authority's keeping changing the criteria.

Now to bring it up to date , I recently wanted to transfer my UK class 2 with limitations and my PPL to that same other EASA state ,but I wanted to make sure I would receive my class 1 with no limitations if I did this.
They then replied that the UK has made their decision and essentially you have failed the CAD that's it . But I have passed two tests and the regulation states either by. It does not state you have to pass the CAD or that you can only take one test etc. They then gave me that answer about their interpretation that I believe is incorrect and I did all the testing together . So now I have no idea what to do because they keep shutting me out.

To answer your first question : I had a final appeal with the UK CAA , did not get my UK class 1 , the other easa state class 1 was issued a year ago but made invalid within the month.

To answer your second question, hopefully above will help explain.
Sorry it's such a long post ,but a lot has happened in 2 years.
Thanks again for your help
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