Collective Colour Vision Thread 3
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My test!
Hey Everyone,
I thougut I would just tell you my experience of the CAD test. Well I took the test today after nearly a year had passed since I had failed the lantern test and only being given a restricted class 1 medical (I've never been so gutted in my short life).
Well today after a pretty much sleepless night, I got to the CAA house and pretty much went straight into the test. I wasn't too nervous because from what I'd seen and read on here I was feeling pretty negative and had pretty much resigned to the fact I was going to fail. What really relaxed me was the technition who was giving me the test. He seemed like a really nice guy and made me feel not nervous at all and he explaind the test to me and let me have a practice and that was that, and then it was time! The difference between the actual test and the one on the internet is (sorry if I'm going over old ground here I haven't read all of the pages in this thread) that every time the square reaches a corner the test stops until you press a button which corresponds to where you think it has gone.
The first test was really long I lost track of time but I assume it was around 15-20 minutes but it did feel long. In this test as you probably know if you score between 4-7 you have to do 3 more of these tests, but they are only on the deficiency that you have. I scored 5.3 and so for me I have a red-green defficiency and so the test was half as long focusing on red and green, even though they still felt long but the good thing is is that because you aren't on a time constraint, if you feel your eyes getting tired you can just stop and teak a break which I did a few times. From what i could tell the test finds your threshold and then gives you ones which are below, above and right on your threshold to see to what extent you are defficient (if I'm wrong please correct me but from doing the test this is how I guessed it worked).
On the final 3 tests I was fortunate enough to score 4.58, 4,03 and 4.76 which meant that I passed and can now have an unrestricted class 1 medical, which I'm pretty happy about and a bit of a contrast from the last time I was at the CAA
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I can't even begin to imagine what you guys who haven't passed it feel like and I'm sorry your experience wasn't as good as mine.
In my opinion it was the best £120 I've ever spent and all I can say is good luck and I hope this post helps anyone who might be unsure about the test. I think it makes sense but I probably rambled a little bit, and I apologise I'm just really happy and its 2.30am when I'm writing this.
ANYWAY
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Pman
I thougut I would just tell you my experience of the CAD test. Well I took the test today after nearly a year had passed since I had failed the lantern test and only being given a restricted class 1 medical (I've never been so gutted in my short life).
Well today after a pretty much sleepless night, I got to the CAA house and pretty much went straight into the test. I wasn't too nervous because from what I'd seen and read on here I was feeling pretty negative and had pretty much resigned to the fact I was going to fail. What really relaxed me was the technition who was giving me the test. He seemed like a really nice guy and made me feel not nervous at all and he explaind the test to me and let me have a practice and that was that, and then it was time! The difference between the actual test and the one on the internet is (sorry if I'm going over old ground here I haven't read all of the pages in this thread) that every time the square reaches a corner the test stops until you press a button which corresponds to where you think it has gone.
The first test was really long I lost track of time but I assume it was around 15-20 minutes but it did feel long. In this test as you probably know if you score between 4-7 you have to do 3 more of these tests, but they are only on the deficiency that you have. I scored 5.3 and so for me I have a red-green defficiency and so the test was half as long focusing on red and green, even though they still felt long but the good thing is is that because you aren't on a time constraint, if you feel your eyes getting tired you can just stop and teak a break which I did a few times. From what i could tell the test finds your threshold and then gives you ones which are below, above and right on your threshold to see to what extent you are defficient (if I'm wrong please correct me but from doing the test this is how I guessed it worked).
On the final 3 tests I was fortunate enough to score 4.58, 4,03 and 4.76 which meant that I passed and can now have an unrestricted class 1 medical, which I'm pretty happy about and a bit of a contrast from the last time I was at the CAA
. I can't even begin to imagine what you guys who haven't passed it feel like and I'm sorry your experience wasn't as good as mine.
In my opinion it was the best £120 I've ever spent and all I can say is good luck and I hope this post helps anyone who might be unsure about the test. I think it makes sense but I probably rambled a little bit, and I apologise I'm just really happy and its 2.30am when I'm writing this.
ANYWAY
Thanks
Pman
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Class 1
Hi again all, I posted earlier on the forum.
I have got mild k in my left eye and its starting to come in my right, I've had Cross-linking, which went very well my eye sight is better than ever. I have been told by the CAA that i will now have to wait 3years before i can continue my career in aviation. Just to make sure that it is stable. So i am going to get my other eye done and sit it out.
Regards Rich
I have got mild k in my left eye and its starting to come in my right, I've had Cross-linking, which went very well my eye sight is better than ever. I have been told by the CAA that i will now have to wait 3years before i can continue my career in aviation. Just to make sure that it is stable. So i am going to get my other eye done and sit it out.
Regards Rich
Hello DeltaFox! Welcome to the club.
I have heard very good reports from those who have had crosslinking, but I haven't had it done myself as I was diagnosed in 1982 with KC (before crosslinking was heard of) and had to have bilateral corneal grafts. I am very fortunate that my vision some 28 years later has remained very good, but the grafts are pretty elderly now and I may need them re-doing at some point according to my consultant. I'm really not looking forward to that, if it happens.
Quite apart from your aviation career, if I had the choice all over again I would get the crosslinking done sooner rather than later to stabilise the KC, once the cornea has deteriorated, you won't get it back to its original condition....I'm not sure there's any advantage to waiting.
Those more expert than me or who've had the procedure may have some reasons though!
I have heard very good reports from those who have had crosslinking, but I haven't had it done myself as I was diagnosed in 1982 with KC (before crosslinking was heard of) and had to have bilateral corneal grafts. I am very fortunate that my vision some 28 years later has remained very good, but the grafts are pretty elderly now and I may need them re-doing at some point according to my consultant. I'm really not looking forward to that, if it happens.
Quite apart from your aviation career, if I had the choice all over again I would get the crosslinking done sooner rather than later to stabilise the KC, once the cornea has deteriorated, you won't get it back to its original condition....I'm not sure there's any advantage to waiting.
Those more expert than me or who've had the procedure may have some reasons though!
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Passing Ishihara but not Nagel
Good eve!
I recently heard about a guy, who privately did the Nagel Anomaloscope without any success. However he can perfectly identify the Ishihara plates.
He managed to work in a photo studio (they asked for a test).
Will passing the Ishihara, while knowing you wouldn“t pass the Nagel Anomaloscope qualify you for a Class 1 Medical (JAA-land)?
I personally cannot read more than 4 out of 15
best regards
I recently heard about a guy, who privately did the Nagel Anomaloscope without any success. However he can perfectly identify the Ishihara plates.
He managed to work in a photo studio (they asked for a test).
Will passing the Ishihara, while knowing you wouldn“t pass the Nagel Anomaloscope qualify you for a Class 1 Medical (JAA-land)?
I personally cannot read more than 4 out of 15
best regards
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Vision
1. Yes there is no way for me to pass the Ishihara test is my only option to find a AME with Farnsworth lantern (FALANT). What is the best way for me to find an AME with Farnsworth lantern (FALANT)? What about that test you do with the FAA for colorblindness. Where can I practice for that?
2. If I am colorblind that only prevents me from flying at night right? I mean I can get all the certificate/licences I want just nobody would ever higher me cause I can not fly at night.
3. If I get LASIK do I have to inform the AME? Glasses are not a big deal flying privatly anyways right?
Once again excuse me for asking questions that might have been asked already buy I have googled and googled with out result.
2. If I am colorblind that only prevents me from flying at night right? I mean I can get all the certificate/licences I want just nobody would ever higher me cause I can not fly at night.
3. If I get LASIK do I have to inform the AME? Glasses are not a big deal flying privatly anyways right?
Once again excuse me for asking questions that might have been asked already buy I have googled and googled with out result.
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Hi there !
The main problem is, that you cannot get a Class 1 medical (or even an unrestricted class 2). So you can“t get an IR, CPL, ATPL, etc.
(at least in Austria and Germany, but it“s the same in most other countries AFAIK).
Best of luck to you,
I“m in the same situation,
greetings from Austria!
The main problem is, that you cannot get a Class 1 medical (or even an unrestricted class 2). So you can“t get an IR, CPL, ATPL, etc.
(at least in Austria and Germany, but it“s the same in most other countries AFAIK).
Best of luck to you,
I“m in the same situation,
greetings from Austria!
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Practice makes perfect
As I feel that I have now taken all the colour vision tests I am ever going to, I should like to add a bit about preparing for your CV test.
To anyone with colour vision problems, such as most viewing this thread, to be thrown in at the deep end with the ishihara plates can be a bit daunting and not surprising results in failure. The CAD test is the most horrible of tortures I have ever taken and the lanterns pray on our weaknesses.
I actually have done things the wrong way around, and to my peril. I first failed all the tests (except the FAA tower Signal Test) and then bought an ishihara set and later the farnsworth flashlight. My feeling is that IF I had these before taking any colour vision tests, I would now be holding an unrestricted medical.
Cheating - NO it's not. You will still have to pass the test on the day, it is simply preparation - something that all good pilots should do before any critical action!
As I no longer have any need for the flashlight or ishihara I have put them on ebay. You can search for Farnsworth Flashlight and that will take you there.
To anyone with colour vision problems, such as most viewing this thread, to be thrown in at the deep end with the ishihara plates can be a bit daunting and not surprising results in failure. The CAD test is the most horrible of tortures I have ever taken and the lanterns pray on our weaknesses.
I actually have done things the wrong way around, and to my peril. I first failed all the tests (except the FAA tower Signal Test) and then bought an ishihara set and later the farnsworth flashlight. My feeling is that IF I had these before taking any colour vision tests, I would now be holding an unrestricted medical.
Cheating - NO it's not. You will still have to pass the test on the day, it is simply preparation - something that all good pilots should do before any critical action!
As I no longer have any need for the flashlight or ishihara I have put them on ebay. You can search for Farnsworth Flashlight and that will take you there.
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I agree, be prepared to the best of your ability. It will be the most important series of test you ever undertake in your career. Pilots seem to find enormous amounts of cash when they want if, a few bucks for your equipment is a walk in the park and after all, in jaa land if you don't get past this one there is no career at all.
SN
I agree, be prepared to the best of your ability. It will be the most important series of test you ever undertake in your career. Pilots seem to find enormous amounts of cash when they want if, a few bucks for your equipment is a walk in the park and after all, in jaa land if you don't get past this one there is no career at all.
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Ishihara at Gatwick
hi folks,
before visiting the caa at gatwick for an initial class 1 medical, i'm considering to first visit my local ophthalmologist for a color vision check.
should i ask for a 14, 24 or 38 plates ishihara test? which test is used in Caa Gatwick?
cheers and many thanks!
before visiting the caa at gatwick for an initial class 1 medical, i'm considering to first visit my local ophthalmologist for a color vision check.
should i ask for a 14, 24 or 38 plates ishihara test? which test is used in Caa Gatwick?
cheers and many thanks!
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Gatwick colour vision test
Just a quick question for anybody who has failed the ishihara plates. If you fail this test do they make you do another test straight away on the day? and what is the name of it, and do they charge you for it? Any help appericated?
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Monty 1977,
Buy a copy of the Ishihara 24 Plate colur vision book and learn it. Get a few friends to test you then go to a few Opticians and get them to test you so you can prove to yourself you know it. THEN go to Gatwick.
Lots of working airline and military pilots have done this. You wont be the first.
As Telboy says, its just preparation for a test.
Good luck.
N666
Buy a copy of the Ishihara 24 Plate colur vision book and learn it. Get a few friends to test you then go to a few Opticians and get them to test you so you can prove to yourself you know it. THEN go to Gatwick.
Lots of working airline and military pilots have done this. You wont be the first.
As Telboy says, its just preparation for a test.
Good luck.
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If you fail the ishihara test, ie one or more errors then you will go straight to the CAD test. It will make it quite a day to say the least!
If you feel that you have CV problems - GET SOME PRACTISE. Buy your own ishihara plates and study them just as Nemesis666 says.
You can also just ask Gatwick for a colour vision test - I think it is about £120 now and IF you pass then book your C1 and will not have to do CV tests again.
Note the IF above. The CAD test goes straight for our weaknesses and is quite a horrible experience in the process. I can tell you from my own experience that after failing the ishihara, you know your whole future rests on a 15 minuet test (less when it was the lanterns) and that puts you under immense stress. If you fail the CAD - your aviation career is OVER there and then, it is that simple. You will walk out into the car park and see the jets above you and feel as though you have just been killed.
Do what is right for you and get PRACTISING now - GET YOUR C1.
Oh and as a matter of interest to all, the CAD test is planned to expand to be used as a screening test. Basically a shortened version INSTEAD of the ishihara to stop people from doing their own research before hand so to speak. So get in quick!!!
If you fail the ishihara test, ie one or more errors then you will go straight to the CAD test. It will make it quite a day to say the least!
If you feel that you have CV problems - GET SOME PRACTISE. Buy your own ishihara plates and study them just as Nemesis666 says.
You can also just ask Gatwick for a colour vision test - I think it is about £120 now and IF you pass then book your C1 and will not have to do CV tests again.
Note the IF above. The CAD test goes straight for our weaknesses and is quite a horrible experience in the process. I can tell you from my own experience that after failing the ishihara, you know your whole future rests on a 15 minuet test (less when it was the lanterns) and that puts you under immense stress. If you fail the CAD - your aviation career is OVER there and then, it is that simple. You will walk out into the car park and see the jets above you and feel as though you have just been killed.
Do what is right for you and get PRACTISING now - GET YOUR C1.
Oh and as a matter of interest to all, the CAD test is planned to expand to be used as a screening test. Basically a shortened version INSTEAD of the ishihara to stop people from doing their own research before hand so to speak. So get in quick!!!
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Colour vision
Thank you very much TelBoy for the useful information. I would like another question answered. So what you are sayin is that, if I do the ishihara test on the day and pass will I never have to do it again. Can somebody give me a personal view, on if you buy the 24 edition plate book is it easy learnt, as you become more fimiliar with. What if you cant make out a number at all, how are you supposed to learn that?
Thank you
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mrg92,
If you pass any of the colour vision tests you will only do them once as tests stand in the EU at the moment.
The FAA test colour vision at every medical unless you have a waiver - again at present.
Hope this helps.
If you pass any of the colour vision tests you will only do them once as tests stand in the EU at the moment.
The FAA test colour vision at every medical unless you have a waiver - again at present.
Hope this helps.
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Ishihara plates
Just a quick question regarding the 24 plate edition of the ishihara plates, are all the 24 plate edition the same eg. are the numbers all consisent in the edtions.
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Isihara CV Tests
Hi I've been lurking on this forum on and off for a few years and having been asked over the years questions on vision and flying, so I've decided to join in.
The last 6 plates in the Isihara test are designed for use by people who cannot read figures eg. children, or if the examiner does not understand the examinee's language too well. They are used as a tracing test ie you follow the line with your finger (without touching the page please!).
Regarding the number of plates used for the test I, at work, only use the 38 plate, most optometrists will only possess this size as it gives better information for investigating colour vision defects.
Although all the numbers and layout are the same in each edition, the quality depth of colour etc differ between printers. This means it may be possible for a person to have failures using, say an H K Lewis edition, but passes with a Japanese edition. This is because the colour values of each of the dots are not accurately specified. Also the test should be conducted using natural daylight or "northlight" ( a colour corrected light source).
I hope this answers some questions, but it will probably only give rise to more!
The last 6 plates in the Isihara test are designed for use by people who cannot read figures eg. children, or if the examiner does not understand the examinee's language too well. They are used as a tracing test ie you follow the line with your finger (without touching the page please!).
Regarding the number of plates used for the test I, at work, only use the 38 plate, most optometrists will only possess this size as it gives better information for investigating colour vision defects.
Although all the numbers and layout are the same in each edition, the quality depth of colour etc differ between printers. This means it may be possible for a person to have failures using, say an H K Lewis edition, but passes with a Japanese edition. This is because the colour values of each of the dots are not accurately specified. Also the test should be conducted using natural daylight or "northlight" ( a colour corrected light source).
I hope this answers some questions, but it will probably only give rise to more!
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Hi all, its been some time since I posted on this thread although I have kept a close eye on it since I last did.
Last time was when I took (and failed) the lantern test, since then I have been hour building and have decided Iv got nothing to lose if I go back and try the new CAD test. I know I was a very marginal fail on the lanterns so Im hoping I stand a chance with it, although it is a long shot.
Ill post my experiences after the big day....
All the posts on here have been very helpful and congrats to everyone who has passed the new test....
Matt
Last time was when I took (and failed) the lantern test, since then I have been hour building and have decided Iv got nothing to lose if I go back and try the new CAD test. I know I was a very marginal fail on the lanterns so Im hoping I stand a chance with it, although it is a long shot.
Ill post my experiences after the big day....
All the posts on here have been very helpful and congrats to everyone who has passed the new test....
Matt
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Hi all,
Today I had a check with my local eye-doctor; there are a few ishihara plates (of the 24 plate version) which i cannot read..however the majority i can read. My question is whether the ishihara plates at the end of the ishihara 24 plate booklet - those plates without numbers but with curling lines - are also checked at the CAA? In those plates i missed 2 plates..
cheers and many thanks!
Today I had a check with my local eye-doctor; there are a few ishihara plates (of the 24 plate version) which i cannot read..however the majority i can read. My question is whether the ishihara plates at the end of the ishihara 24 plate booklet - those plates without numbers but with curling lines - are also checked at the CAA? In those plates i missed 2 plates..
cheers and many thanks!