Collective Colour Vision Thread 3
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Southern America / Africa
Hi!
What I wanted to ask is the following
Is there any Southern American or African state that will give you an unrestricted Class 1 Medical (or something equivalent to it) with CVD and
an anomally quotient of 2,8 (Nagel Anomaloscope? Is there any state in the world that will? Maybe something like a SODA in Australia ?
I failed the Ishiara and the Anomaloscope (=AQ 2,8),
what chances do I have to pass the CAD with this AQ?
Are there any studies about this?
regards,
answeres are very much appreciated
What I wanted to ask is the following
Is there any Southern American or African state that will give you an unrestricted Class 1 Medical (or something equivalent to it) with CVD and
an anomally quotient of 2,8 (Nagel Anomaloscope? Is there any state in the world that will? Maybe something like a SODA in Australia ?
I failed the Ishiara and the Anomaloscope (=AQ 2,8),
what chances do I have to pass the CAD with this AQ?
Are there any studies about this?
regards,
answeres are very much appreciated
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cad test the truth, not negative
right, i went to gatwich a few weeks ago and did the cad test. This is wat happens..
The cad test is presented via a normal tv screen with a laptop connected to it. you sit about a metre away from the tv, its in the same room as the audiometric or sound booth is, the room is dimmed.
you are given a remote control, looks like a texas style calculator ( obviosly not a calculator lol) you have buttons which are on the top right, left, bottom right and left, u get the picture, there is a middle button but does nothing.
next, you need to do a learning test... the examiner advises that the test shows a coloured box, and the background is grey dymainc static, ie flickering boxes, faster than the one on city university website, similar but not the same... this is to give u an idea of the test.....
the learning test is needed cause you need to understnad the test process, your advised to stare in the middle of the screen and when you hear a bleep sound you press the corner the box hits remember you got the bottons, after you do this and the examiner is convinced you can do it properly then the actual test takes 15 min.
the test itself i failed got 7.44 for r/g, and 1.34 for blue/yellow, what you dont know is that they can retest you if you fall within a certain numerical, ie boarderline value.
to be honest the test itself was difficult, i pressed the botton the wrong way a few times and knew the mistakes were cause i went to fast on the buttons...
i am at a stage were commercial aviation seems less interesting and more stressfull as a job and might concider a restest cause i think if i was to slow down next time and you do feel abit anxcios as well, and jumpy, would do better cause only 1.44 over pass for green weakness
i hold a jaa and faa medical, need to do ishihara for faa medical and i can read 13 plates and somethimes more, , , im goin to apply for a nppl, and return to the real world and live my life................. i do hold an faa CPL/IR and 300 with the idea of conversion, but things in life change and you need to get over it.... im still happy...
The cad test is presented via a normal tv screen with a laptop connected to it. you sit about a metre away from the tv, its in the same room as the audiometric or sound booth is, the room is dimmed.
you are given a remote control, looks like a texas style calculator ( obviosly not a calculator lol) you have buttons which are on the top right, left, bottom right and left, u get the picture, there is a middle button but does nothing.
next, you need to do a learning test... the examiner advises that the test shows a coloured box, and the background is grey dymainc static, ie flickering boxes, faster than the one on city university website, similar but not the same... this is to give u an idea of the test.....
the learning test is needed cause you need to understnad the test process, your advised to stare in the middle of the screen and when you hear a bleep sound you press the corner the box hits remember you got the bottons, after you do this and the examiner is convinced you can do it properly then the actual test takes 15 min.
the test itself i failed got 7.44 for r/g, and 1.34 for blue/yellow, what you dont know is that they can retest you if you fall within a certain numerical, ie boarderline value.
to be honest the test itself was difficult, i pressed the botton the wrong way a few times and knew the mistakes were cause i went to fast on the buttons...
i am at a stage were commercial aviation seems less interesting and more stressfull as a job and might concider a restest cause i think if i was to slow down next time and you do feel abit anxcios as well, and jumpy, would do better cause only 1.44 over pass for green weakness
i hold a jaa and faa medical, need to do ishihara for faa medical and i can read 13 plates and somethimes more, , , im goin to apply for a nppl, and return to the real world and live my life................. i do hold an faa CPL/IR and 300 with the idea of conversion, but things in life change and you need to get over it.... im still happy...
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I just talked to an Dutch pilot and he said that tower lights aren't used...
They just use radio...
Just wanted to share this with you, altought most of you should already know this..
The main questions are to know what are we exactly beying tested for. Are those the same critical tests that pilot's don't use?
They just use radio...
Just wanted to share this with you, altought most of you should already know this..
The main questions are to know what are we exactly beying tested for. Are those the same critical tests that pilot's don't use?
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Ponte,
You are being tested in order to justify the jobs of a very small handful of people and to warrant the commercial marketing and sale of a product being sold by a private company, the research and development for which has been funded with public money.
Do not be fooled into thinking your testing has anything to do with aviation safety.
And at £ 4,200 (or whatever it is exactly) a pop, there is the reason your CVD test now costs £ 120. The CAA has given AMEs a benchmark for charging, which will be used as leverage to promote the sale of the product - ONLY 35 Tests and you then make a profit....next it'll be "Buy One Get One Free, I said Buy One Get One Free!!!" Not forgetting of course that it they mandate it's use within legislation then AME's will HAVE to buy one or not be able to carry out their testing.
With no other product available on the market, this is undoubtedly a monopoly with potentially alleged forced sales tactics through legislative leverage, or what!!!!
Am I the only one who thinks that this is all about making money and stinks of cronyism and corruption?
I'm sure that if this was any other industry the Government Watchdogs and possibly even the SFO would be looking very closely into what has occurred here.
Rant over! Soapbox away!
You are being tested in order to justify the jobs of a very small handful of people and to warrant the commercial marketing and sale of a product being sold by a private company, the research and development for which has been funded with public money.
Do not be fooled into thinking your testing has anything to do with aviation safety.
And at £ 4,200 (or whatever it is exactly) a pop, there is the reason your CVD test now costs £ 120. The CAA has given AMEs a benchmark for charging, which will be used as leverage to promote the sale of the product - ONLY 35 Tests and you then make a profit....next it'll be "Buy One Get One Free, I said Buy One Get One Free!!!" Not forgetting of course that it they mandate it's use within legislation then AME's will HAVE to buy one or not be able to carry out their testing.
With no other product available on the market, this is undoubtedly a monopoly with potentially alleged forced sales tactics through legislative leverage, or what!!!!
Am I the only one who thinks that this is all about making money and stinks of cronyism and corruption?
I'm sure that if this was any other industry the Government Watchdogs and possibly even the SFO would be looking very closely into what has occurred here.
Rant over! Soapbox away!
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Not sure why he advised against it but he said that we're still in the early stages of the treatment and don't know the long term affects (of the UV light). I'm actually going to have it anyway, going on Thursday. They are currently doing trail's on the NHS as we speak.
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Then maybe it's time for a co-operative formal request to an independent authority higher than that responsible for this farce, for a proper investigation and appropriate action where required.
Is anyone else prepared to support such a request because I am prepared to take it to the highest authority possible, provided that I have the support of others with similar concerns?
Is anyone else prepared to support such a request because I am prepared to take it to the highest authority possible, provided that I have the support of others with similar concerns?
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i'm in too
ye i'm in too. Lets actually do something about it and challenge the people who are making up the rules as they go. Chatting about it on this thread will never change anything.
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Great idea! Some of you were pumping out this line over three years ago!
Things have changed and some would argue for the better. In a few cases you can substitute the words red and green for wood and trees and then return to this thread in Summer 2013 and the same line will still be trotted out.
Things have changed and some would argue for the better. In a few cases you can substitute the words red and green for wood and trees and then return to this thread in Summer 2013 and the same line will still be trotted out.
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Good for you. I think the Doc has got some very outdated info there.
The treatment has been around for about 10 years now. It has been proven that there are no side effects from the UV light. Anyone that I know, and all doctors that I have spoken to about this treatment have given it the thumbs up and said that C3R should be a matter of course provided certain criteria are met.
Good luck.
The treatment has been around for about 10 years now. It has been proven that there are no side effects from the UV light. Anyone that I know, and all doctors that I have spoken to about this treatment have given it the thumbs up and said that C3R should be a matter of course provided certain criteria are met.
Good luck.
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Some eye advice please...
Hey guys
Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
I’m very close to obtaining my ppl, initially I wanted to fly for recreation only but have since considered doing a commercial licence. I’ve been told by my instructor that I have the ability to take this further and I will complete my ppl with less hours than all his other students. So here comes the snag!
As a child I had squint in my right eye that my parents had repaired at a very young age. The squint is not evident and I do not suffer from any kind of problem with it. In October I had a ophthalmologist have a look at it.
She told me that the surgeon did a superb job and could not see how it would be a problem. When this kind of operation is done at a very young age the brain adapts and compensates.
My squint only becomes obvious when my "good eye" is covered. I obtained a commercial medical but just and I worry about maintaining it.
This is my eye report:
Mr X was seen at my practise on 9 October 2009.
His uncorrected visual acuity was 6/6 in either eye. His colour vision as per Ischara chart was 14/14 in both eyes.
On looking at the anterior segment the corneas were both clear and there was no cataract present.
The posterior segment was normal with healthy retina and optic nerves.
Oculomotility test found a small 10 prism diopter esophoria which he controls well with both eyes open.
The South African CAA Requirements are:
Any manifest squint or large errors of eye muscle balance (phoria).
The acceptable limits for ocular muscle balance 12 prism dioptres for exophoria, 6 dioptres for esophoria; and 1.5 dioptre for hyperphoria measured at distance.
The magnitude of the heterophoria in itself is not conclusive because the fusional strength varies between individuals 3.22(f) are only for guidance as to when fusional strengths reserves should be assessed, the applicant should be referred to a ophthalmologist acceptable to the AMS.
So do I stand a chance?
Regards Wayne
Any advice on this matter would be greatly appreciated.
I’m very close to obtaining my ppl, initially I wanted to fly for recreation only but have since considered doing a commercial licence. I’ve been told by my instructor that I have the ability to take this further and I will complete my ppl with less hours than all his other students. So here comes the snag!
As a child I had squint in my right eye that my parents had repaired at a very young age. The squint is not evident and I do not suffer from any kind of problem with it. In October I had a ophthalmologist have a look at it.
She told me that the surgeon did a superb job and could not see how it would be a problem. When this kind of operation is done at a very young age the brain adapts and compensates.
My squint only becomes obvious when my "good eye" is covered. I obtained a commercial medical but just and I worry about maintaining it.
This is my eye report:
Mr X was seen at my practise on 9 October 2009.
His uncorrected visual acuity was 6/6 in either eye. His colour vision as per Ischara chart was 14/14 in both eyes.
On looking at the anterior segment the corneas were both clear and there was no cataract present.
The posterior segment was normal with healthy retina and optic nerves.
Oculomotility test found a small 10 prism diopter esophoria which he controls well with both eyes open.
The South African CAA Requirements are:
Any manifest squint or large errors of eye muscle balance (phoria).
The acceptable limits for ocular muscle balance 12 prism dioptres for exophoria, 6 dioptres for esophoria; and 1.5 dioptre for hyperphoria measured at distance.
The magnitude of the heterophoria in itself is not conclusive because the fusional strength varies between individuals 3.22(f) are only for guidance as to when fusional strengths reserves should be assessed, the applicant should be referred to a ophthalmologist acceptable to the AMS.
So do I stand a chance?
Regards Wayne
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Corneal topography
I am wondering if anyone here had the corneal topography done at Gatwick. Is there anyone here who did the Initial Class 1 and didn't do the corneal topography? It is a machine where you look into concentric circles with a laser-type light in the middle...
Corneal topography machine: (that is not me in the picture in case you were wondering)
Corneal topography machine: (that is not me in the picture in case you were wondering)
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Collective Colour Vision Thread 3
Bealzebub - Yes things have moved on for some (myself included) but for others it has not. CAD is great if you manage to pass but if not it is just one more test that discrimninates.
There is no political support for individuals and the only recourse is extremely cost prohibitive legal action through the courts which also takes time.
I can tell you that since I passed a great cloud of depression has lifted from my life. Nothing else has changed apart from the fact that I am not now discriminated against by the CAA.
For those of you still stuck in an illogical and grossly unfair place I would just say don't ever give up trying to change things and work with an individual as well as a group perspective.
Best Of Luck
There is no political support for individuals and the only recourse is extremely cost prohibitive legal action through the courts which also takes time.
I can tell you that since I passed a great cloud of depression has lifted from my life. Nothing else has changed apart from the fact that I am not now discriminated against by the CAA.
For those of you still stuck in an illogical and grossly unfair place I would just say don't ever give up trying to change things and work with an individual as well as a group perspective.
Best Of Luck
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Good day!
I failed the Ishihara and the Nagel (anomally quotient 2,8). I´m able to see the coloured box on the demo video from City uni most of the time (sometimes it moves to the other end of the box (for example from the right top to left bottom corner) at once and I can´t see it for about half a secound. What are my chances to pass the CAD?
Hopefully that cloud will lift for much more people in the future! I just can´t fight my optimism
My best wishes to everyone
I failed the Ishihara and the Nagel (anomally quotient 2,8). I´m able to see the coloured box on the demo video from City uni most of the time (sometimes it moves to the other end of the box (for example from the right top to left bottom corner) at once and I can´t see it for about half a secound. What are my chances to pass the CAD?
Hopefully that cloud will lift for much more people in the future! I just can´t fight my optimism
My best wishes to everyone
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hi guys and girls
i have a question and want some feedback ok....
i had the cad at gatwick and failed 7.44 r/g 1.44 over the pass
i belive this was due to me going to quick and i noticed that when following the signal from the middle it would change direction so you would press the direction, mabye in my case to soon, i belive i would pass as my colour vision i think is ok, 13/15 normaly of the plates,
what are the thought please..
i have a question and want some feedback ok....
i had the cad at gatwick and failed 7.44 r/g 1.44 over the pass
i belive this was due to me going to quick and i noticed that when following the signal from the middle it would change direction so you would press the direction, mabye in my case to soon, i belive i would pass as my colour vision i think is ok, 13/15 normaly of the plates,
what are the thought please..
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Colour Vision
Hi all,
First of all I must apologise sincerely as I am certain you guys have seen these questions a million times before.
I am hoping to begin PPL training early 2010. I am in pretty good physical health however I have one huge dark cloud hovering over me....colour vision.
I was diagnosed (rather crudely whilst as school) and have carried out some of the online vision tests with various degrees of sucess. I have no doubt however that I do suffer with a form of colour blindness.
So first of all; I have contacted the CAA and have enquired about booking a CAD test. It would appear that this is really the only sure way of knowing whether I would pass.
I am thinking of booking a class 2 medical at Multiflight Leeds (which I will need to have in order to train for the PPL) with a view to asking whether I would be likely to pass a Class 1 down in Gatwick. Is it likely that they would be able to give me a good idea? The doctor is qualified to give class 1 renewels.
I was also hoping I could print off the class 1 eyesight requiremts from the CAA website and take them to my optician and have them give me an idea as to whether I am likely to struggle down in Gatwick. I doubt they would be able to perform a colour vision test though!!
Any thoughts on this or any ideas would be really appreciated as I am so excited on getting started!!
Thanks,
Steve
First of all I must apologise sincerely as I am certain you guys have seen these questions a million times before.
I am hoping to begin PPL training early 2010. I am in pretty good physical health however I have one huge dark cloud hovering over me....colour vision.
I was diagnosed (rather crudely whilst as school) and have carried out some of the online vision tests with various degrees of sucess. I have no doubt however that I do suffer with a form of colour blindness.
So first of all; I have contacted the CAA and have enquired about booking a CAD test. It would appear that this is really the only sure way of knowing whether I would pass.
I am thinking of booking a class 2 medical at Multiflight Leeds (which I will need to have in order to train for the PPL) with a view to asking whether I would be likely to pass a Class 1 down in Gatwick. Is it likely that they would be able to give me a good idea? The doctor is qualified to give class 1 renewels.
I was also hoping I could print off the class 1 eyesight requiremts from the CAA website and take them to my optician and have them give me an idea as to whether I am likely to struggle down in Gatwick. I doubt they would be able to perform a colour vision test though!!
Any thoughts on this or any ideas would be really appreciated as I am so excited on getting started!!
Thanks,
Steve