VISION THREAD (other than colour vision)
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FALANT Test
Hey everyone,
I have partial colour blindness and have therefore failed the ishi hara plates test but was advised at the time that by taking a FALANT test i could possibly get the restrictions placed upon me lifted. Would anyone here have a contact number or an address i could write to with regards to taking one? I heard Gatwick was the place to go but cant find anything off of my own back.
Many thanks in advance!!
Greg Noles
I have partial colour blindness and have therefore failed the ishi hara plates test but was advised at the time that by taking a FALANT test i could possibly get the restrictions placed upon me lifted. Would anyone here have a contact number or an address i could write to with regards to taking one? I heard Gatwick was the place to go but cant find anything off of my own back.
Many thanks in advance!!
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Not sure about cabin crew in Australia as they allow CVD pilots thanks to Dr Pape, but in JAA land - NO they do NOT allow cabin crew to have CVD.
The same question was once asked in this forum. Why not try searching through it and PM the guy concerned.
Hope it works out bettin in Oz for you than it would over here.
The same question was once asked in this forum. Why not try searching through it and PM the guy concerned.
Hope it works out bettin in Oz for you than it would over here.
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Colorblind Limited to VCL. IFR??
Hi
I'm red-green colorblind.
Have several times been trough the threads regarding this subject.
I don't think even if I find all the different lanterns in the world and line them up, that I could pass one of them.
My medical limits me to VCL, which means no night flying.
Will I ever be possible to obtain a jaa instrument rating - still only flying by day?
The trick is that I have no limitation on IFR, but I understand that in order to obtain the IFR you need to have a night rating first.
Can this be handled with on a special permit from caa or...........
I'm red-green colorblind.
Have several times been trough the threads regarding this subject.
I don't think even if I find all the different lanterns in the world and line them up, that I could pass one of them.
My medical limits me to VCL, which means no night flying.
Will I ever be possible to obtain a jaa instrument rating - still only flying by day?
The trick is that I have no limitation on IFR, but I understand that in order to obtain the IFR you need to have a night rating first.
Can this be handled with on a special permit from caa or...........
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I've got an optomoterist meeting booked for two days away. Does anyone know if there's a test for general eyesight as well as colour and what is it it/what i need to pass?
Thanks, Carl
Thanks, Carl
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Class 1 Medical renovation requirements for vision.
Hi everyone,
I read somewhere in this section that when you do the Class 1 Medical renovation the limits on far sight goes from -5 to -8 but I would like to know if it is the same in Spain, at CIMA in Madrid (for instance).
Thanks.
I read somewhere in this section that when you do the Class 1 Medical renovation the limits on far sight goes from -5 to -8 but I would like to know if it is the same in Spain, at CIMA in Madrid (for instance).
Thanks.
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Is it possible to pass the initial class 1 at Gatwick if I fall a little bit out of the limits with my eye vision. Max astigmatism for initial is 2.0 dioptres, may they accept 2.25 ? I'm ok with myopia. Are they that strict or do they consider each single case? Does anyone know a story like this?? I hope to improve my astigmatism by changing my eye glass asap and with the help of a very good oculist. It should be possible.. but just in case i can't?? HELLLPP. Thanks!
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HI RMARVIN,
The best thing to do is to ring CAA Gatwick itself and just ask them questions before you decide to book up Just in case!
Here is a Link, Hope this helps : http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=49
The best thing to do is to ring CAA Gatwick itself and just ask them questions before you decide to book up Just in case!
Here is a Link, Hope this helps : http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=49
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No definetaly do not do that ! The AME is certified by the Civil Aviation Authority to conduct medical tests in accordance with their requirements and nobody elses. There are procedures in place to deal with matters such as this when a problem occurs.
They do want you to pass, plenty of people do. Ignore the "Whoo hoo" and "or else" merchants and follow the correct protocols. Hopefully it will all work out fine.
They do want you to pass, plenty of people do. Ignore the "Whoo hoo" and "or else" merchants and follow the correct protocols. Hopefully it will all work out fine.
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CAD Test
One other thing.
It seems that the CAA has the CAD test sat on the shelf at CAA Towers and is only awaiting procedures to be finalised before implementing its use.
I was under the impression that, before any change can be made to any CAA procedures which affect the public the new system has to be put forward for consultation, which includes comment from members of the public. This also includes a Regulatory Impact Assessment and the dates for consultation have to be notified to the public.
I am not aware of any such procedure being followed for the implementation of the CAD test.
Please could someone advise me if this process is not applicable to the Medical Department and that they are permitted to do ther own thing and if so where is that laid down?
It seems that the CAA has the CAD test sat on the shelf at CAA Towers and is only awaiting procedures to be finalised before implementing its use.
I was under the impression that, before any change can be made to any CAA procedures which affect the public the new system has to be put forward for consultation, which includes comment from members of the public. This also includes a Regulatory Impact Assessment and the dates for consultation have to be notified to the public.
I am not aware of any such procedure being followed for the implementation of the CAD test.
Please could someone advise me if this process is not applicable to the Medical Department and that they are permitted to do ther own thing and if so where is that laid down?
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Where are all the MEDICAL experts!?
Hi,
just want to know, how you guys think about the following prescription concerning my intentions, getting a JAR-FCL First Class Medical:
R: + 5.25 (sph) -2.25 (cyl) 173
L: + 4.75 (sph) -1.75 (cyl) 8
I am aware of the JAR FCL's and the limits for the initial examination, but the vision required (6/9 each eye and 6/6 both) can also be reached with an correction of R +5.00 / -2.00 which is the max allowed.
I just wrote to the CAA, but maybe, there's some one with an experience concerning my problem or any advise.
210 hours flight experience are already existent - I have a FAA PPL/IR and FAA First Class Medical.
Thanks.
just want to know, how you guys think about the following prescription concerning my intentions, getting a JAR-FCL First Class Medical:
R: + 5.25 (sph) -2.25 (cyl) 173
L: + 4.75 (sph) -1.75 (cyl) 8
I am aware of the JAR FCL's and the limits for the initial examination, but the vision required (6/9 each eye and 6/6 both) can also be reached with an correction of R +5.00 / -2.00 which is the max allowed.
I just wrote to the CAA, but maybe, there's some one with an experience concerning my problem or any advise.
210 hours flight experience are already existent - I have a FAA PPL/IR and FAA First Class Medical.
Thanks.
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MAULI, by my experience, since you have a FAA PPL, get also CPL.
If you get it, Gatwick is more free to apply bigger limits till the renewal if they guess.
In your case, since you are a little bit out of limits, I'm quiete sure you will get 1 class. But before, you have to get FAA CPL because they will want to see yuour flight licence. They don't ask your FAA medical certificate, but only the licence.
If you get it, Gatwick is more free to apply bigger limits till the renewal if they guess.
In your case, since you are a little bit out of limits, I'm quiete sure you will get 1 class. But before, you have to get FAA CPL because they will want to see yuour flight licence. They don't ask your FAA medical certificate, but only the licence.
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Ok so i guess i'll have to book an appointment down at Gatwick after i have done some research on here.
Thanks for the info
Does anyone have know what the apprxs cost will be?
Ed
Thanks for the info
Does anyone have know what the apprxs cost will be?
Ed
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Telboy,
I think you need to request chapter and verse copies of the relevant documents to which they refer, under the Freedom of Information Act 2005.
The CAA as an organisation is very determined to comply with the FOIA and prior to its implementation instructions were issued to all departmental heads and staff on complying with the Act.
Ask the author of the letter directly to inform you exactly which relevant sections he/she is referring to. Only give them a limited but reasonable period of time to respond.
We've tried to discuss this issue with them and they fob us off with double-talk, contradiction between letters to respective enquirers and excuse after excuse. You would need to be from another planet not to realise what is going on. They are trying to stall any action to the point where EASA takes over whereupon they can say "it's out of our hands". You really don't even need an O Level in Cookery to work that one out. My negotiating and waiting is over - I'm moving to the next level immediately.
Another point that I had not thought about (just pointed out by my other half) regarding the CAD Test, this test not only allegedly tests your colour vision but is also a major test of ambidexterity. The missus, who has perfect colour vision, reckons there is no way on earth that she would be able to pass the CAD Test because she would not be able to operate the equipment quickly enough. So, how many more false failures are we going to have?
BTW, I find the web-based CAD Test is a piece of p*** and I was informed at City Uni that I would in all probability meet the final standards for passing the regulatory CAD Test, therefore, from a purely selfish point of view it would be in my interests to see its inception. However, the big picture requires me to maintain my standpoint that I fail to see how replacing one set of irrelevant tests with another equally irrelevant test actually improves flight safety standards. I'm not being altruistic, just practical.
I think you need to request chapter and verse copies of the relevant documents to which they refer, under the Freedom of Information Act 2005.
The CAA as an organisation is very determined to comply with the FOIA and prior to its implementation instructions were issued to all departmental heads and staff on complying with the Act.
Ask the author of the letter directly to inform you exactly which relevant sections he/she is referring to. Only give them a limited but reasonable period of time to respond.
We've tried to discuss this issue with them and they fob us off with double-talk, contradiction between letters to respective enquirers and excuse after excuse. You would need to be from another planet not to realise what is going on. They are trying to stall any action to the point where EASA takes over whereupon they can say "it's out of our hands". You really don't even need an O Level in Cookery to work that one out. My negotiating and waiting is over - I'm moving to the next level immediately.
Another point that I had not thought about (just pointed out by my other half) regarding the CAD Test, this test not only allegedly tests your colour vision but is also a major test of ambidexterity. The missus, who has perfect colour vision, reckons there is no way on earth that she would be able to pass the CAD Test because she would not be able to operate the equipment quickly enough. So, how many more false failures are we going to have?
BTW, I find the web-based CAD Test is a piece of p*** and I was informed at City Uni that I would in all probability meet the final standards for passing the regulatory CAD Test, therefore, from a purely selfish point of view it would be in my interests to see its inception. However, the big picture requires me to maintain my standpoint that I fail to see how replacing one set of irrelevant tests with another equally irrelevant test actually improves flight safety standards. I'm not being altruistic, just practical.
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Ifr - Vcl
Glad the threat is back up..........I'll try again:
I'm red-green colorblind.
Have several times been trough the threads regarding this subject.
I don't think even if I find all the different lanterns in the world and line them up, that I could pass one of them.
My medical limits me to VCL, which means no night flying.
Will I ever be possible to obtain a jaa instrument rating - still only flying by day?
The trick is that I have no limitation on IFR, but I understand that in order to obtain the IFR you need to have a night rating first.
Can this be handled with on a special permit from caa?
Has anybody got a UK JAA IFR with VCL in their medical?
I'm red-green colorblind.
Have several times been trough the threads regarding this subject.
I don't think even if I find all the different lanterns in the world and line them up, that I could pass one of them.
My medical limits me to VCL, which means no night flying.
Will I ever be possible to obtain a jaa instrument rating - still only flying by day?
The trick is that I have no limitation on IFR, but I understand that in order to obtain the IFR you need to have a night rating first.
Can this be handled with on a special permit from caa?
Has anybody got a UK JAA IFR with VCL in their medical?
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One suggestion might be to try and get the contact details for Dr Sally Evans, she is part of the CAA UK Medical department and is currently chairman of the EASA medical board that is in charge of setting the new EASA medical guidelines. Talking to her as a group might be useful to see what is proposed under the new regs and if there is anything we can do to try and get them to use a decent test?
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Windforce - are you a working FAA licenced pilot. If so, you may want to ensure that your colleagues are brought up to speed on this back door method that the authorities are using to restrict foreign registered aircraft operating in the EU. They failed in restricting the aircraft so now they go for the licences.
Corporate Aviation has an equivalent of BALPA so they should be told about the proposals.
A bit of good news is that AOPA are intending to take on the authorities (CAA / EASA) under human rights legislation as it is proposed to do away with the UK CAA issued BCPL which is not a JAA licence and will have no equivalent under EASA. Therefore, anyone wishing to change to an EASA CPL may have a rough road to travel down to get one and this may be outside the means of some who will then lose their licence and their jobs, clearly in contravention of existing EU law.
I raised this issue with Dr Evans as I am in the same position. No deviation for CVD = No medical = No CPL/FI = No job = Loss of income. Her reply? What do you reckon?
Therefore, I have written to AOPA to bring our issue under the same umbrella as the BCPL and I also intend to bring my MP into the fold. Come on troops, we need to bring pressure to bear. Parliament is now involved in the IMCR debacle so why shouldn't they get involved here. Anyone know or fly with Lembit Opik or any flying celebrities who know what crap this issue is? Get your pens out and start writing.
Corporate Aviation has an equivalent of BALPA so they should be told about the proposals.
A bit of good news is that AOPA are intending to take on the authorities (CAA / EASA) under human rights legislation as it is proposed to do away with the UK CAA issued BCPL which is not a JAA licence and will have no equivalent under EASA. Therefore, anyone wishing to change to an EASA CPL may have a rough road to travel down to get one and this may be outside the means of some who will then lose their licence and their jobs, clearly in contravention of existing EU law.
I raised this issue with Dr Evans as I am in the same position. No deviation for CVD = No medical = No CPL/FI = No job = Loss of income. Her reply? What do you reckon?
Therefore, I have written to AOPA to bring our issue under the same umbrella as the BCPL and I also intend to bring my MP into the fold. Come on troops, we need to bring pressure to bear. Parliament is now involved in the IMCR debacle so why shouldn't they get involved here. Anyone know or fly with Lembit Opik or any flying celebrities who know what crap this issue is? Get your pens out and start writing.
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hey guys im new here from australia, ive read abit of this thread and discovered i might still have a chance in pursuing my dream of becoming a pilot, i started my training a few years ago and decided to go for my medical which i failed my colour vision and got diagnosed with a moderate deuteranomaly, i dont have any problems in day to day life and dont see the problem. wat r they requirements in australia and is there anyway around it without having to move to the US to do my training.
thanks
shayne.
thanks
shayne.