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Hello!
I recived e-mail that I had passed first phase of selection for CTC ATP. I logged into my CTC account to apply for phase 2 but there is a massage: "No spaces are currently available, please try again later." May anyone know when to expect new phase 2 selection day.
Thanks!
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I recived e-mail that I had passed first phase of selection for CTC ATP. I logged into my CTC account to apply for phase 2 but there is a massage: "No spaces are currently available, please try again later." May anyone know when to expect new phase 2 selection day.
Thanks!
Hank
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same happened to me previously, just need to keep logging on and checking - they'll upload some dates when they're ready. You can always contact CTC if you're concerned also, although response is likely to be similar.
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ATP / Cadets priority
From an official CTC email last week:
It clarifies a few things.
Best regards,
FSP
- ATP pilots that were selected prior to the reopening of ATP programme (which includes all those in this distribution list) will be placed alongside cadets subject to the airlines request or specification. Please remember that the airline determines the type of pilot that they want, not CTC.
- We have been very clear with ATP pilots that have been selected after the reopening of ATP programme this year and they are well aware that they will only be placed if we do not have enough cadet pilots to satisfy the airline requirement.
- We have been very clear with ATP pilots that have been selected after the reopening of ATP programme this year and they are well aware that they will only be placed if we do not have enough cadet pilots to satisfy the airline requirement.
Best regards,
FSP
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- We have been very clear with ATP pilots that have been selected after the reopening of ATP programme this year and they are well aware that they will only be placed if we do not have enough cadet pilots to satisfy the airline requirement.
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That's what I heard too.
A highly unlikely scenario in today's climate.
Indeed, some of those at selection were told at least 2 years in the hold pool...
A highly unlikely scenario in today's climate.
Indeed, some of those at selection were told at least 2 years in the hold pool...
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Hi guys! Anyone has applied to ctc wing atp 2 part?? i've just received the mail for apply at this!!
Anyone know when there is the next 2 part selection and who go there?I don't have yet the date.(it' possible they call me before and of July?)
If some people have done already this part,can give me some suggestion or tell me what i can expect in this second selection?I'm really worried!!
PS:
can be a good way to get the first job??
Thx at all guys!!
Anyone know when there is the next 2 part selection and who go there?I don't have yet the date.(it' possible they call me before and of July?)
If some people have done already this part,can give me some suggestion or tell me what i can expect in this second selection?I'm really worried!!
PS:
can be a good way to get the first job??
Thx at all guys!!
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Alex,
What can you expect?
You can expect them to take several thousand Euros off you.
You can expect to be treated like a 7 year old at school.
You can expect to see all the Wings Cadets take priority over you in any jobs.
You can expect to sit in the hold pool for 2 years
You can expect your IR to expire in this time.
However, there is one thing that you won't expect. A job. Anytime soon.
What can you expect?
You can expect them to take several thousand Euros off you.
You can expect to be treated like a 7 year old at school.
You can expect to see all the Wings Cadets take priority over you in any jobs.
You can expect to sit in the hold pool for 2 years
You can expect your IR to expire in this time.
However, there is one thing that you won't expect. A job. Anytime soon.
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yeah but is it not true that since they began back in the 90s ctc have place every single pilot in their holding pool? ...is that true or not?
Is 2 years really that long to wait?
Or have things changed since back then....do you think that now there is a chance that there will be such a steady flow of wings cadets, that ATP pilots in the holding pool might never get a look in if you are too far down the list??
Is 2 years really that long to wait?
Or have things changed since back then....do you think that now there is a chance that there will be such a steady flow of wings cadets, that ATP pilots in the holding pool might never get a look in if you are too far down the list??
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do you think that now there is a chance that there will be such a steady flow of wings cadets, that ATP pilots in the holding pool might never get a look in if you are too far down the list??
When do you see a point where they will be able to place MORE than 14 Wings Cadets a month to start reducing the hold pool numbers to a point where they can start placing ATP guys?
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Yes and they involve NOT spending £8000 and working else where until things settle down. Only someone panicing and rushing or someone with an unhealthy disrespect for money and risk would sign up. Hold tight and get your timing right. This is not the way. The way people will spend £8000 to knowingly 'sit in a pool' is unbelievable. If you wont wait to see the state of this company in about 9-10 months time you are taking an enormous risk. It may pay off, it almost certainly will not. You'd be better off putting the £8000 on a horse and paying off your course. Seriously.
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The way people will spend £8000 to knowingly 'sit in a pool' is unbelievable.
If you wont wait to see the state of this company in about 9-10 months time you are taking an enormous risk.
Perhaps you are referring to the expense of the course. A comparable MCC with say Jetlinx, would be 3.7k, accommodation and JOC is extra. OAA MCC+JOC would be 4.9k including lodging, not food and their site does not specify VAT.
So to quantify the risk, assuming you don't value a JOC, your looking at spending a couple of thousand more than you might otherwise have done. If you take the JOC into account it is negligible. That is the risk less the assumed benefits. Is that really enormous?
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According to the guys on the 'Wings' thread it is £8K.
No it isn't. You received a JOC certificate did you?
That's a big part of the problem. And I would WANT to be for £8K, £6.5K or any other K.
You can get an MCC for £2K and stay in a £60 a week lodging, there are plenty around, especially right now. From what I have seen on here a larger than 50% proportion of the people applying/ thinking of applying already have an MCC = a waste.
Did you really ask that question?
My feelings are if you don't want to wait and see in 9 - 10 months time you'll find out the hard way. But if you treat 8K as frivilously as Sciolistes and have as easy access to it then perhaps not.
The AQC is an MCC+JOC
You are not bound or bonded to CTC.
You can get an MCC for £2K and stay in a £60 a week lodging, there are plenty around, especially right now. From what I have seen on here a larger than 50% proportion of the people applying/ thinking of applying already have an MCC = a waste.
What risk would that be then?
My feelings are if you don't want to wait and see in 9 - 10 months time you'll find out the hard way. But if you treat 8K as frivilously as Sciolistes and have as easy access to it then perhaps not.
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Beaky,
A couple of distint inaccuracies in your last post. Obviously there are many others in your previous posts but I haven't got a full day spare so I won't point them all out.
No as the man says the cost is £ 5,695.00 + VAT which includes full board and accommodation for the 3 week course. So not £8,000.
Nope wrong again. The AQC a course designed to assess your suitabilty to be put forward for a type rating. It includes an MCC and as such you get an MCC certificate.
PM me and I will send you the link the website.
It tells you everything you need including the cost and what the course entails. It even has an application form on there which you can fill out as I know you are keen.
A couple of distint inaccuracies in your last post. Obviously there are many others in your previous posts but I haven't got a full day spare so I won't point them all out.
According to the guys on the 'Wings' thread it is £8K.
No it isn't. You received a JOC certificate did you?
PM me and I will send you the link the website.
It tells you everything you need including the cost and what the course entails. It even has an application form on there which you can fill out as I know you are keen.
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Bobby,
Oh obviously, thanks for not, ha ha ha 
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As I said, it was according to people on other threads. You OBVIOUSLY do have to add the VAT on, the selection fee and interest repayments/ lack of interest whilst waiting for half a decade for the 'pool' to empty. Let's call it £8000.
And you shouldn't assume it was a man speaking, that kind of thing can make you fail selections at proper airlines. Naughty Bob.
Of course you get (possibly another) MCC certificate but my question was do you actually do a JOC? And the answer is......I thought so. So no I am not wrong. I have read, their website again and again and it definately does not say a JOC is included. You see, poor old CTC, they could easily be branded the liars however it is YOU that is wrong.
No.
It all comes down to whether you are a glass half full MAN or a glass half empty one. In this instance I am a 'someone has probably p*ssed in the glass and wants a laugh at my EXPENSE' kind of guy.
Here is a top quote for all you glass half full guys and girls out there, thinking of spending fortunes on aviation qualifications:
'If you can keep your head whilst all around you are losing theirs, you are probably missing something'
It's something to think about, be careful out there.
And no, I still have NOTHING against CTC, just training in general right now and I don't see any Cabair, FTE, OAA etc threads so this is a good one to use. Yes I do have things against people who pay to fly at Ryanair, I really do. It has shafted everyone - It has taken the natural food chain in pilot progression and thrown it away.
Obviously there are many others in your previous posts but I haven't got a full day spare so I won't point them all out.
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No as the man says the cost is £ 5,695.00 + VAT which includes full board and accommodation for the 3 week course. So not £8,000.
And you shouldn't assume it was a man speaking, that kind of thing can make you fail selections at proper airlines. Naughty Bob.
Nope wrong again. The AQC a course designed to assess your suitabilty to be put forward for a type rating. It includes an MCC and as such you get an MCC certificate.
PM me and I will send you the link the website.
It all comes down to whether you are a glass half full MAN or a glass half empty one. In this instance I am a 'someone has probably p*ssed in the glass and wants a laugh at my EXPENSE' kind of guy.
Here is a top quote for all you glass half full guys and girls out there, thinking of spending fortunes on aviation qualifications:
'If you can keep your head whilst all around you are losing theirs, you are probably missing something'
It's something to think about, be careful out there.
And no, I still have NOTHING against CTC, just training in general right now and I don't see any Cabair, FTE, OAA etc threads so this is a good one to use. Yes I do have things against people who pay to fly at Ryanair, I really do. It has shafted everyone - It has taken the natural food chain in pilot progression and thrown it away.
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Beaker,
I know it's not good MCC but If I ever ended up on a flight deck with you I would probably have to take my socks off and stuff them in your mouth!
Regards
Bob
I know it's not good MCC but If I ever ended up on a flight deck with you I would probably have to take my socks off and stuff them in your mouth!
Regards
Bob
I am wide open.