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Old 25th May 2013, 20:27
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Are you insane people nowadays??
105.000 is too much , so what's the difference with pay2fly? Someone could explain me?

At this point better to fly USa get licence with approx.30k come back and pay TR and LT with job opportunity and I think will be less than 105.000 in any case!!!!!!

Then You do n ot have any garantee and Qatar is very strict company , strict internal policy , and you could be kiked out in any time loosing all your money and time!
Think...think well and do your search before!
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Old 25th May 2013, 22:15
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Are you insane people nowadays??
105.000 is too much , so what's the difference with pay2fly? Someone could explain me?
Well it's not really any different from the easyJet MPL scheme or the whole host of other "self-sponsored" schemes purveyed by OAA/CTC. Yes the headline price is 15k more (which is a lot I grant you...) but I suspect if you added up all the respective expenses not covered in the other cheaper schemes the difference would narrow a bit. Conceptually it is certainly no different. What would be the deciding factor of ultimate value would be the pay structure afterwards and therefore how long it would take to settle loans vs the pay delivered after qualifying by other schemes.

P2F (in my book anyway...) means paying for the experience of the RHS on a public transport flight when it would otherwise be taken by a qualified and employed first officer.

Big question for most people would be do you want to live in Doha and work for an airline that one hears, at best mixed, reviews of as an employer...

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Old 26th May 2013, 11:15
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Just a note of caution - the previous CTC Qatar cadets have been over there for more than a year now and have still not flown. Apparently they have now been told they may not fly until 2014. Also, from what I understand they are on reduced pay until they have completed line training.
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Old 26th May 2013, 11:22
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Interesting, can I ask your source and also if they haven't flown what are they doing?
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Old 26th May 2013, 11:44
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Hi.

Sources are a couple of guys I trained with. They did their type rating early last year and have not flown yet. They seem to like Qatar and have a good social life but after having been there over a year they are getting pretty bored. They often use staff travel rates to come back to the UK for a break but I understand they can only do this for a certain period due to tax??

I think they can be called at anytime to report in case their line training is brought forward, but at the minute I believe they won't start until the beginning of 2014.
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Old 26th May 2013, 12:13
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That somewhat begs the question if they still have CTC cadets waiting for line training why are they opening a new scheme?

I know they have a lot of aircraft on order at the moment, possibly the delivery delays are making it hard to match aircraft and recruitment needs. Even so a year is quite a long time to waiting in Doha for!

Have they been given a reason?
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Old 26th May 2013, 17:00
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A friend I spoke to is one of the CTC guys out there and he is bored! He says it is to do with the lack of instructors out there that they can not fit in the time to do the A320 line training. He was told Feb 2014 he "might" complete line training.

This CTC scheme takes on a bigger risk than usual this time.
Qatar are meant to be Ruthless and unforgiving as employers
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Old 28th May 2013, 21:01
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You have to pay 210 to CTC for Phase 2 and 3! Easy money for them, I'm sure they accepted everyone's applications.
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Old 29th May 2013, 17:00
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Phase 2 and 3 is on the same day and it's only once 210GBP... you make it sound like it's twice 210GBP...

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Old 29th May 2013, 18:53
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As i am still deciding on which route to go, i think i will undergo the assessment anyway, as it still counts as a CTC wings assessment. Good Luck to anyone thinking of doing it
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Old 29th May 2013, 19:10
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Qatar is not for everyone. You might want to take a trip out first before spending your money. Also a number of people that are experienced have had issues in the past whilst working for Qatar Airways.

Their is another thread recently regarding someone running into a problem with Qatar and loosing their job. A number of people have had problems that have led to them leaving or found themselves stuck their bored in Doha or not being treated that well by the company for one reason or another and trying to get out.

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Old 29th May 2013, 19:44
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@Selfmade92 If you had a bill to pay of 210 for an ''airfare and a taxi'' how much would you pay...not confused?

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Old 29th May 2013, 23:58
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It's quite different, but doesn't matter. Got invited, for phase 2 really excited, the reason it's so expensive I guess is because it's also in New Zealand.

EDIT: what is the best place to stay? I want to be as close as possible at the location of the assesement as I do not know how well the public transportation system is in Southampton.

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Old 30th May 2013, 02:01
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Selfmade92,

I stayed there for a night prior to the assessment. The closest hotel that is reasonably priced is The Boathouse Hotel, in Hythe, Southampton (google it).
If you go by train, taxi will cost ~27 to the hotel or the assessment centre (Dibden) . No idea how much a bus fare would cost.
You can also take a bus from the station which takes you to the Hythe ferry (for free). The ferry will cost 4.50 and you can get a taxi on that side so it will cost less than going by taxi straight from the station.
Obviously if you're driving this does not apply.

EDIT: You can also check out the Dale Farm House (near Manor Road). Better prices. Seems like I missed that when I was looking for accom. Could have saved 50 .....

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Old 30th May 2013, 03:06
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Thanks, looks like I could just walk over there from Dale's Farm House. But that's only if Google Maps gives me the right location, somehow when I enter the Dibden Manor location into the bar it points to the All Saint's C to E Church... any insight this is the correct location? Because I really do not want to miss this.
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Old 30th May 2013, 08:22
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Dale Farm

Dale Farm is extremely close to Dibden Manor. 3 minutes drive or 10 minutes walk. I've stayed there a couple of times; lovely people, lovely rooms, and one hell of a breakfast! Very highly recommended
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Old 30th May 2013, 14:20
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I saw the ad in Flight - nice looking 777! I doubt any CTC trainees would see that aircraft for a long time. The other option would be to take the Easyjet scheme, fly for Easyjet for 5-7 years and then apply to Qatar again with competitive Airbus experience down the road if you get tired of earlies/lates and the same routes over and over and over. Who knows what the European airline landscape will look like in years? Maybe the ME will be the only place to go with serious growth just like today... It is clearly not perfect, but the ME airlines are growing and will continue to add more and more aircraft going forward. Getting in with Qatar now "might" be a good option IF you can afford it and if you plan on staying for a long while. I do agree that a visit to Doha and actually speaking with QR pilots from Europe would be smart - get their perspective and feedback before taking such a big leap.

Good thing training would take at least 18 months (probably longer) for new trainees because Qatar seem to have a big hiring and training backlog (see ME forum). Hopefully the training backlog will be reduced for new trainees in this programme, otherwise they will sit around in the heat by the pool waiting their turn.

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Old 31st May 2013, 00:53
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The only thing I'm concerned about is if after the training there're no positions available within the company, what's happening then? Are you still getting paid or are you left with a huge pile of debt?
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Old 31st May 2013, 09:02
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The price of 105k isn't far off other existing training schemes if that is an all inclusive payment.

The CTC wings, BA FPP program and EZY MPL all mention a security bond "cost" of 69k. However if you actually want to complete the training, the cost is far closer to 105k...

The basic figures being 70k for the security bond, 20k for the foundation course, assorted living costs for two years being around 10k, and a possible type rating charge of 10k... If my maths serves me correctly that's still over 105k. I suppose the question is do they "include" a type rating and foundation skills course in that price.
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Old 31st May 2013, 12:34
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do they "include" a type rating and foundation skills course in that price.
Yes TR is included.
See the application page.
Qatar Airways Pilot Training - Cadet Programme | CTC Wings


EDIT : Unrelated to above.
I've been Googling Doha recently, wanted to see some pictures and opinions .
Sounds like an immensely boring place. Really slow development, slow business growth. Also barely any nightlife. Basically just smoke a hookah all day kind of place. Seems like a dull place to live in. (I like the look of it though.)

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