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Old 31st May 2013, 18:45
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anybody heard from CTC yet for stage 2 interview?
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Old 31st May 2013, 20:42
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Yes MK88 i got an email from them asking for an interview etc. I think quite a few people have.
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Old 1st Jun 2013, 00:26
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Hi all

I applied last friday. and 4 days ago exactly , Ctc sent to me an email requesting some more information about my academic qualifications on the A LEVELS, but since then I have no any news of them and my current status is still awaiting selection for the phase 1.
I dont know what to expect.
Ive just finished a 4 years degree, I am not sure if that fact can help or not to go through to the selection process
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Old 1st Jun 2013, 01:33
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Yea got invited, will most likely be there on the 19th of June.

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Old 1st Jun 2013, 23:33
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Did any of you guys get a chance to have a crack at the Aer Lingus online assessments over the past week or so?

Worth a go if you wanted some initial aptitude testing before being invited down to CTC.

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Old 3rd Jun 2013, 02:29
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Hey, quick question... on the selection page it states:

* If you believe your international academic qualifications are the equivalent to those listed, you will be required to verify this using NARIC - UK NARIC and provide a letter of comparability during your assessment day. You can obtain a letter of comparability here

I think I don't have enough time to get that letter, but in one of the emails I've received by CTC it stated: that they ran my academics through their database and were able to verify it to be the equivalent. so it shouldnt reall apply to me, correct?

i've finished so far 2 years of studying Economics at an University.
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Old 4th Jun 2013, 15:19
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I'd think very carefully before cashing in on this guys...

Wasn't the MPL supposed to be a more cost effective training solution...
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Hi!

here I leave you an Ctc interview from the father of MPL. In his opinion it is marvelous.

In my opinion there are so many questions in the air and a lot off things to define with this licence.
Like "contact approach" says ,we should think it very carefully.
However the best opinion would be that of the guys who have already done it , some things that I could hear from them, is that they were very happy.
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Old 5th Jun 2013, 10:56
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OMG that is the scariest training related video I have ever seen, that Dieter Harms seems to have escaped from a psychiatric hospital..

That is not an opinion about MPL, but it is scary to get to see what kind of crazy people are in charge!
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Old 5th Jun 2013, 11:41
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Struck me as an experienced airline pilot who is an acknowledged expert in his field. Presumably English is his second language (although very proficient,) and he was being interviewed giving good expansive answers to short questions. Whether you agree with his comments or not, they are something he is clearly committed to, and advocates very well.

Albeit likely part of that particular schools sales and marketing programme, this gentleman comes across as mature, knowledgeable, and experienced. Why do you find that scary? Your other comments are simply churlish.

I have probably answered my own question.
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Old 5th Jun 2013, 12:24
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OMG that is the scariest training related video I have ever seen, that Dieter Harms seems to have escaped from a psychiatric hospital..
What because he has a creepy German accent?

No matter what one thinks of the MPL I thought he did a good job of explaining the concept and the rationale behind it.

As a wannabe it's not really for me to judge yet the merit of the MPL itself (although to me the concept sounds very logical) but this guy in the video has been an airline pilot and involved in training at one of the world's most reputable airlines for almost twice the period I have been alive, I rather doubt he is crazy.
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No matter what one thinks of the MPL I thought he did a good job of explaining the concept and the rationale behind it.
Did you? So you can probably explain what is a competency base training?!?! And in what aspects is it new? Yes he's been able to reply longs answers to short questions, but he's clever enough to stay very vague. Are you nave enough to think that MPL reinvent the training process, the way we learn skills and acquire competency?

Another point, Lee asked him why would the airline go for the MPL, he asked, "is it cheaper, is it faster?" and the senile man replied, "it's neither, it's just better". What a joke, in both cases the Trainee pays for his training, in both cases the training all the way up to the type rating doesn't cost a penny to the airline.

The airline industry started as a dream, a real passion. It is now nothing else than a money industry, and you won't be surprise to learn that Dieter Harms got a company called HARMS AVIATION TRAINING making money by selling MPL around the world.. What a surprise.

He makes me think of one of those guru using his life experience, opportunities to make a profit out of it.

The best part was when he said that MPL will train guy for the unforeseen, like landing an Airbus in the Huston river, and that training on a small cessna, or anything lighter than 20 tons is useless. But when you take a look at the career of Chesley Sullenberger ( the capt of the Flight that ended up in the Huston), what do you notice? Oh among all, he is a glider maniac... What a surprise!



I am not saying that training can't be improved, and that MPL is crap. I am just saying that Mr Dieter Harms is an imposter.
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Try reading this.

So he is "clever" and "senile"?

The airline industry started as a dream, a real passion. It is now nothing else than a money industry, and you won't be surprise to learn that Dieter Harms got a company called HARMS AVIATION TRAINING making money by selling MPL around the world.. What a surprise.
You think this "industry" isn't designed to make money? It may not always achieve that end, but I can guarantee you that was, is, and always will be the intention. If this chap is selling his concept around the world, I would hope he is making money from it. Quite an accomplishment for one so "senile" wouldn't you think?

Whatever he may or may not be selling, it is the airlines themselves that are the end users. They obviously see some significant positives in this form of ab-initio training, even though it shifts additional training burden on to them as end users.
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Did you? So you can probably explain what is a competency base training?!?! And in what aspects is it new? Yes he's been able to reply longs answers to short questions, but he's clever enough to stay very vague. Are you nave enough to think that MPL reinvent the training process, the way we learn skills and acquire competency?
Well I think I did...

OK I grant you 'competency based training' is not a new concept as such, but I don't think Dieter Harms is claiming to have invented it. It was however a novel idea to conceptualise it more for the purposes of teaching someone to fly.

In essence "competency based" can mean different things depending on the context.

In an interview for example "competency based" means asking questions based on real life experiences, getting a candidate to illustrate their "competencies" by using examples. So as opposed to asking "what is your attitude to personal conflict" the candidate might be asked to illustrate a time they had a disagreement with someone, how they dealt with it and how they learnt from it.

In the context the MPL what it means is from an early stage the student is continuously assessed against "competencies" such as decision making, situational awareness and physical skill. These concepts are obviously not new at all, but what the MPL is trying to do is conceptualise them in a more formalised way so that they are embedded as a basis for everything.

Because in the ATPL context the concepts are often introduced in a more haphazard fashion and often learnt by hard experience rather than by indoctrination from the outset.

When I did my PPL there was not really any conceptualised grounding at all, concepts of decision making, threat and error management etc were all introduced often in random and uncoordinated fashion with the emphasis on the outcome being one of achieving a certain standard of physical skill.

Going back to the video; what I understood from it was not that anything new has been "invented", that is not what is being claimed here. What is being done is an attempt to gather together all the concepts that aviation has developed over the years that make it safer and more efficient and integrate them into the training structure from the outset. The theory being that if they are embedded the pilot will have a better understanding of the "competencies" s/he needs to operate the aircraft successfully.

Another point, Lee asked him why would the airline go for the MPL, he asked, "is it cheaper, is it faster?" and the senile man replied, "it's neither, it's just better". What a joke, in both cases the Trainee pays for his training, in both cases the training all the way up to the type rating doesn't cost a penny to the airline.
That is obviously the case in the UK but it isn't everywhere, a lot of MPL courses are sponsored. Anyway I don't see what that has to do with understanding his argument in its essence.

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Old 5th Jun 2013, 14:47
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The airline industry started as a dream, a real passion. It is now nothing else than a money industry, and you won't be surprise to learn that Dieter Harms got a company called HARMS AVIATION TRAINING making money by selling MPL around the world.. What a surprise.
Someone has an idea they want to sell, that is how new ideas/products are usually transmitted. Don't see anything wrong with that...
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Don't want to sound blunt flyride but the first thing I noticed about Captain Sully is that he was an F-4 Phantom Captain in the USAF and that he enrolled in the USAF academy at the age of 18 so he's probably not the best example of someone who has done 250 hours in a PA-28 before moving on to the rhs of an a320.
Is he then the perfect example of someone who's done an MPL Scheme? Or the perfect opposite?


I am a FI and I fly a 60+ tons jet few times a week, I am concerned about that all "the faster the better". I believe we need time and practice to "master" that art of flying. I believe we also need time to be mature enough to slowly understand the responsibilities that we will be taking when sitting in the RHS/LHS of an airbus full of pax. I think those FFS are great tools, but it's still not the same than flying for yourself, than dealing with the consequences of your decisions in a real flying environment.

But guys, I don't want to fight with you, if in your opinion that guy seem trustworthy enough to embrace MPL as it is, then go for it. Give him your money, and he'll make you the best pilot you can be.
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So then guys, Who has signed up for 105,000 loan on their parents house? for an MPL. which before 1500hours to convert to ATPL it could be useless?

What happens if you get dropped at 600 jet hours for instance? and you've been trained to MPL QATAR SOPS.
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What happens if you get dropped at 600 jet hours for instance? and you've been trained to MPL QATAR SOPS.
Simple, you are .
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Thus conventional sponsorship with an ATPL is prefered .. hang on , sponsorship? does Qatar sponsor at all?

I wonder why they are doing this, seriously? is there a shortage of current/rated pilots?

baffles .

stinks.

Will carry on with my Aer Lingus cadet application.
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It would be in their interest to drop them too.

Make room for the next guy with money.

I'm sure if you broke down MPL training it wouldn't cost 105000.
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