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Sat my day 1 at OAA this week. Day after it got an email, unfortunately not called forward for day 2. Although I knew chances would be really small, especially applying from outside UK, I'm feeling pretty gutted right now. Thought it went not too bad at all. It said "Unfortunately, your scores attained on Day 1 did not quite reach the required standard to be called forward to Day 2 of the BA FPP selection procedure.". Is that particular sentence any indication of what my scores were? Or is that just a standard reply? It also said that in fact my scores made me eligible for further consideration for OAA's normal course.
I got a feeling I just messed up the mathematics test, didn't complete it, got to question 23 of 24. And a part of the test for remembering things, especially when 3 things including radio settings came into the "game". So do not consider it bad at all, although also knew when thinking about my performance just because not being able to complete the mathematics test would mean I will not be at the top.
As I was staying at Langford Halls, while having the feeling that I would not being at the top of the list, I talked a little bit with the accommodation staff about what the rate was of pilots through their own self payed courses that got a job in todays job market. She called the graduation&career department for me. They said numbers on the website for 2012 weren't updated, it is now over 200 pilots who got a job. Also normally around 80-90 percent of the self sponsored students who graduates from OAA get a job within a year. That seems pretty high, doesn't it?
Got also a email and phone number of a member of staff to email or ring, would I require any more information. Will post here what there reply is once they got back to me.
I will probably attend the further day 2 of the selection for a normal course, as I already paid for it and it will give a lot of experience for applying for other mentored schemes, next years BA FPP etc.
I got a feeling I just messed up the mathematics test, didn't complete it, got to question 23 of 24. And a part of the test for remembering things, especially when 3 things including radio settings came into the "game". So do not consider it bad at all, although also knew when thinking about my performance just because not being able to complete the mathematics test would mean I will not be at the top.
As I was staying at Langford Halls, while having the feeling that I would not being at the top of the list, I talked a little bit with the accommodation staff about what the rate was of pilots through their own self payed courses that got a job in todays job market. She called the graduation&career department for me. They said numbers on the website for 2012 weren't updated, it is now over 200 pilots who got a job. Also normally around 80-90 percent of the self sponsored students who graduates from OAA get a job within a year. That seems pretty high, doesn't it?
Got also a email and phone number of a member of staff to email or ring, would I require any more information. Will post here what there reply is once they got back to me.
I will probably attend the further day 2 of the selection for a normal course, as I already paid for it and it will give a lot of experience for applying for other mentored schemes, next years BA FPP etc.
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yes its a load of 
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If they put that in writing on the website they know fine that a load of us would be getting trading standards onto them pretty sharpish.
The whole economy around the school is dependent on the students going through.
.If they put that in writing on the website they know fine that a load of us would be getting trading standards onto them pretty sharpish.
The whole economy around the school is dependent on the students going through.
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Hi all,
I am attending the FTE selection day on Tuesday and although they do give a brief description of how the day will entail, can anyone give me any advice how to prepare? I have Maths, Physics and ICT A-level under my belt so looking over both, the information pack they sent me plus a few of my notes but should I expect anything else?
Any private messages or helpful replies would be greatly appreciated!
I am attending the FTE selection day on Tuesday and although they do give a brief description of how the day will entail, can anyone give me any advice how to prepare? I have Maths, Physics and ICT A-level under my belt so looking over both, the information pack they sent me plus a few of my notes but should I expect anything else?
Any private messages or helpful replies would be greatly appreciated!
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OAA Selection Day 2
I sat the COMPASS tests at OAA around the middle of December and I've only just been invited to a Day 2 selection so I assume I'm one of the last border line cases. When I logged on to the system to select a date, there were selection centers running up until the end of January.
Fingers crossed!
Fingers crossed!
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loughrey1, I know you're doing FTE and not OAA but I can't imagine the tests being that different. On that basis I'd suggest you read the OAA forums as there is quite a lot of advice on there on what to prepare.
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To all the people who got a reject after attending day 1 from OAA. Is it all the same email which was sent? With the message that your scores attained on day 1 did not quite reach the required standard to be called forward to Day 2 of the BA FPP selection procedure? I want to know if there are different versions of the email sent to people who are rejected, depending on what was the score you actually got.
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Hi Martijn123. I think it's the same one for all the rejects from OAA.
You'll get the standard email without the invitation attachment. Something along the lines of... "You're not good enough. But your scores may mean you're eligible to proceed on 1 of our courses at the school..."
Basically, unless you completely messed it up (i.e. can't read, or tell left from right, etc...) then they'll be more than happy to take your money
Makes sense I suppose. Business is business.
I wonder do they allow us rejects back for day 2, just for experience at least? I'm considering it, although it would be 1 hell of a sinking feeling if you had to do it at the same time as the successful applicants. Probably a little too demoralizing for me if I'm honest
I wish everyone still in the race the best of luck.
You'll get the standard email without the invitation attachment. Something along the lines of... "You're not good enough. But your scores may mean you're eligible to proceed on 1 of our courses at the school..."
Basically, unless you completely messed it up (i.e. can't read, or tell left from right, etc...) then they'll be more than happy to take your money
Makes sense I suppose. Business is business.
I wonder do they allow us rejects back for day 2, just for experience at least? I'm considering it, although it would be 1 hell of a sinking feeling if you had to do it at the same time as the successful applicants. Probably a little too demoralizing for me if I'm honest
I wish everyone still in the race the best of luck.
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then they'll be more than happy to take your money
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I will probably also attend day 2. As far as I understood we can call back after March 1st to make an appointment for the missing parts of the normal skills assessment: which will be: group exercises, interview, flight simulator assessment and the questions about personality from COMPAS which you didn't have to complete at day 1. Actually doubting now that that was part of the assessment, to see which student will do more than instructed, could that be the case???
As we can call back after March 1 2013, all invited to day 2 will probably have already done theirs. As OAA is, as I believe, starting next week with day 2 assessment. In March should be final stage with BA recruitment centre at Cranebank (or another place someone mentioned they moved).
I was actually quite surprised of my fellow candidates that knew little about the programme, they were discussing financing, if you had to pay interest for the loan. If you received a yes from BA, when courses will start. All that was clearly written at the BA FPP website...
I will probably also attend day 2. As far as I understood we can call back after March 1st to make an appointment for the missing parts of the normal skills assessment: which will be: group exercises, interview, flight simulator assessment and the questions about personality from COMPAS which you didn't have to complete at day 1. Actually doubting now that that was part of the assessment, to see which student will do more than instructed, could that be the case???
As we can call back after March 1 2013, all invited to day 2 will probably have already done theirs. As OAA is, as I believe, starting next week with day 2 assessment. In March should be final stage with BA recruitment centre at Cranebank (or another place someone mentioned they moved).
I was actually quite surprised of my fellow candidates that knew little about the programme, they were discussing financing, if you had to pay interest for the loan. If you received a yes from BA, when courses will start. All that was clearly written at the BA FPP website...
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@martijn123
From reading this thread, there seems to be lots of people that are unaware of important details that are clearly stated on the BA website such as interest on the loan as you said.
If these people get through to the last stage then they'll be definitely caught out in conversation at the BA assessment. I'm sure of that.
From reading this thread, there seems to be lots of people that are unaware of important details that are clearly stated on the BA website such as interest on the loan as you said.
If these people get through to the last stage then they'll be definitely caught out in conversation at the BA assessment. I'm sure of that.
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Could have been a case of prioritising what you need to know - when you need to know it.
A focus on passing an incredibly competitive day 1 first.
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Could have been a case of prioritising what you need to know - when you need to know it.
A focus on passing an incredibly competitive day 1 first.
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A world of caution in case the uninitiated don’t know the game. The standards BA will require an FPP candidate to attain are significantly higher than the standards necessary to pass the various pilots’ licenses, and the promise of a refund will not relate to whether you pass or fail BA’s expectations.
The same goes for post-graduation employment prospects as the schools are producing significantly more pilots than the industry currently needs. If FPP don’t want you, why would you expect anyone else to? Remember too that if you get something like bar work within 12 months of graduating, the school still counts that as employment.
You’re investing 100K plus loss of earnings whilst training, so be aware that if you’ve done badly on the Compass memory test, you’ll struggle on the exams, emergency procedures, six monthly flight checks and the random questions captains like to ask before each flight. If you struggled on the distraction test – give up now as you’ll need to do ten things at once whilst landing. If maths wasn’t your thing, aviation’s all about the numbers for each operating procedure so you’re going to regret it. If the orientation test didn’t work out, you won’t be able to navigate ………….. and so on. This kind of investment isn’t for the faint hearted or the hopeful. If you don’t get a job out of it, it’s potentially going to ruin your life.
However those failing at stage 2 but intending to reapply should certainly complete the remainder of the tests they’ve already paid for if they can. This is invaluable experience, and there's no danger of you being allowed to attend on the same days as BA’s dedicated selection process. It won't help with getting BA interview experience though, and rest assured that their tests are more difficult.
Then when it comes to next year's application, remember that this years counts for nothing. You have to stand out all over again, and it always pays to make an impression at the Compass event as it could move you to the positive side of the border line.
The same goes for post-graduation employment prospects as the schools are producing significantly more pilots than the industry currently needs. If FPP don’t want you, why would you expect anyone else to? Remember too that if you get something like bar work within 12 months of graduating, the school still counts that as employment.
You’re investing 100K plus loss of earnings whilst training, so be aware that if you’ve done badly on the Compass memory test, you’ll struggle on the exams, emergency procedures, six monthly flight checks and the random questions captains like to ask before each flight. If you struggled on the distraction test – give up now as you’ll need to do ten things at once whilst landing. If maths wasn’t your thing, aviation’s all about the numbers for each operating procedure so you’re going to regret it. If the orientation test didn’t work out, you won’t be able to navigate ………….. and so on. This kind of investment isn’t for the faint hearted or the hopeful. If you don’t get a job out of it, it’s potentially going to ruin your life.
However those failing at stage 2 but intending to reapply should certainly complete the remainder of the tests they’ve already paid for if they can. This is invaluable experience, and there's no danger of you being allowed to attend on the same days as BA’s dedicated selection process. It won't help with getting BA interview experience though, and rest assured that their tests are more difficult.
Then when it comes to next year's application, remember that this years counts for nothing. You have to stand out all over again, and it always pays to make an impression at the Compass event as it could move you to the positive side of the border line.
@Martijn123
When you have several thousand applicants applying to these events, you will always get alot going through who perhaps don't know as much about it as you do.
Personally I think my mind emptied the moment I stepped into the assessment building, and having someone explain things like this to you in layman's terms can be very helpful to those who aren't clear on the facts.
When you have several thousand applicants applying to these events, you will always get alot going through who perhaps don't know as much about it as you do.
Personally I think my mind emptied the moment I stepped into the assessment building, and having someone explain things like this to you in layman's terms can be very helpful to those who aren't clear on the facts.
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CTC Assessment Day 1
CTC Day 1 is said to include a presentation from the FTO, Group exercises, and Aptitude tests.
Can anyone from who's been to CTC for Assessment Day 1 confirm this itinerary for me please?
Much appreciated!
Can anyone from who's been to CTC for Assessment Day 1 confirm this itinerary for me please?
Much appreciated!
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Hi guys,
I was unfortunately rejected for OAA a few days ago.. Well, gonna try again next time. Do you know how it is with submitting another online application? If I already passed it once do I have to start again from the beginning? Thanks.
I was unfortunately rejected for OAA a few days ago.. Well, gonna try again next time. Do you know how it is with submitting another online application? If I already passed it once do I have to start again from the beginning? Thanks.
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I'm also still waiting for my reply from OAA. I'm hoping that no news it good news and that perhaps I'm sitting somewhere in the borderline between passing and failing. Congratulations to everyone who passed and better luck next time to those who didn't. Hopefully I'll find out this week