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Hi everyone
Hope you guys and gals can help me out. put aside experience in flying my question is how do you find out if you are eligible to work in a particular country?
From my understanding you have to first land a job and then go with all the paper work to the consulate of what every country you plan on working in, show that you have landed yourself a job being a pilot for X company that are hiring you and then they do the whole processing check to see you got not criminal record see if the company is legit etc etc etc
But i see a lot of airline companies big and small asking whether you are eligible to work in their country
So how do you go about finding out whether you can work in that country or not. I'm sure you cant go to the embassy and say "Hi i would like to work in this country as a pilot i don't know what company yet but am i eligible"?
On one hand i understand the company wants to know first if you allowed to work in their country before they go through the whole process and then find out a month later you cant work for them but on the other hand i don't think an embassy is going to give you info on whether you allowed to work in a country without the proper documentation on the company and work that the company requires from you.
Any help on this would be great.
Thanks again and have a great day and safe flying
Hope you guys and gals can help me out. put aside experience in flying my question is how do you find out if you are eligible to work in a particular country?
From my understanding you have to first land a job and then go with all the paper work to the consulate of what every country you plan on working in, show that you have landed yourself a job being a pilot for X company that are hiring you and then they do the whole processing check to see you got not criminal record see if the company is legit etc etc etc
But i see a lot of airline companies big and small asking whether you are eligible to work in their country
So how do you go about finding out whether you can work in that country or not. I'm sure you cant go to the embassy and say "Hi i would like to work in this country as a pilot i don't know what company yet but am i eligible"?
On one hand i understand the company wants to know first if you allowed to work in their country before they go through the whole process and then find out a month later you cant work for them but on the other hand i don't think an embassy is going to give you info on whether you allowed to work in a country without the proper documentation on the company and work that the company requires from you.
Any help on this would be great.
Thanks again and have a great day and safe flying
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I don't have an answer for your question, but I'd raise another one... I see quite a lot of job in a particular country - would you apply for a working visa in the country, just to say that you have it already, in the first email correspondence?
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I would say, if you know what passport you have, you will at least know many countries to eliminate.
If you from US, you would not be able to work in EU, and vice versa, as you would not get work permit.
Depending on experience level, there would be some Asian, African and Middle East countries where you would be able to work, but if I was you I would google their websites, and you would find out all there.
However if you are low hours, inexperienced, I doubt many companies will bother to do the paper work for you, but again all depends where you from.
Also many companies require you speak their language.
If you from US, you would not be able to work in EU, and vice versa, as you would not get work permit.
Depending on experience level, there would be some Asian, African and Middle East countries where you would be able to work, but if I was you I would google their websites, and you would find out all there.
However if you are low hours, inexperienced, I doubt many companies will bother to do the paper work for you, but again all depends where you from.
Also many companies require you speak their language.
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thanks guys for getting back to this post.
Well im from the UK i hold an FAA commercial ME/SE license.
but i dont think just having an EU passport or any passport in fact would automatically disapprove you from getting a work permit into the US or any other country unless you have a criminal record or theres politically dispute between the 2 countries...
i really wouldn't think that the embassy would say you cant get a work permit because you hold this passport unless they had some reason example you have a criminal background or political issues
Well im from the UK i hold an FAA commercial ME/SE license.
but i dont think just having an EU passport or any passport in fact would automatically disapprove you from getting a work permit into the US or any other country unless you have a criminal record or theres politically dispute between the 2 countries...
i really wouldn't think that the embassy would say you cant get a work permit because you hold this passport unless they had some reason example you have a criminal background or political issues
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Clintonb.
Most countries will only issue a work permit or relevant visa to a foreigner if there is a sponsoring employer who can prove to that countries immigration department that there is a real need for having to import your talent, skill or labour. This usually happens when there is a demonstrated need or shortage from within a countries own indigenous workforce.
There are many countries that issue work permits to foreign pilots in recognition of a shortage within their own population base. Usually the shortage arises at the higher skill or experience levels. Rarely is there any shortage of trainee or apprentice level positions.
There can sometimes be a general freedom of labour between member states of various political unions (for example the EU,) although in practice the reality is often more constrained by language or treaty issues.
There is no shortage of pilots (at any level) within the USA. Unless you had a conferred right of entry, and right to work by virtue of something more fundamental, your chances of being granted a green card even if you could find a sponsoring employer, are so small as to be virtually non-existent. The same holds true for many other countries.
Outside of the EU (and accepting the difficulties already referred to,) you would have to find an employer who could convince their own immigration authority that there was a case for issuing you with a work permit. Outside of the very limited dispensations that a few countries allow, (for example students and young people to undertake limited types of work,) most countries wouldn't entertain the idea of a work permit for somebody who didn't have both a sponsoring employer and a skill for which there was a declared need.
Oh yes they would! The passport would confer no right to work at all unless the country had both a requirement, and the applicant had a sponsor.
Most countries will only issue a work permit or relevant visa to a foreigner if there is a sponsoring employer who can prove to that countries immigration department that there is a real need for having to import your talent, skill or labour. This usually happens when there is a demonstrated need or shortage from within a countries own indigenous workforce.
There are many countries that issue work permits to foreign pilots in recognition of a shortage within their own population base. Usually the shortage arises at the higher skill or experience levels. Rarely is there any shortage of trainee or apprentice level positions.
There can sometimes be a general freedom of labour between member states of various political unions (for example the EU,) although in practice the reality is often more constrained by language or treaty issues.
There is no shortage of pilots (at any level) within the USA. Unless you had a conferred right of entry, and right to work by virtue of something more fundamental, your chances of being granted a green card even if you could find a sponsoring employer, are so small as to be virtually non-existent. The same holds true for many other countries.
Outside of the EU (and accepting the difficulties already referred to,) you would have to find an employer who could convince their own immigration authority that there was a case for issuing you with a work permit. Outside of the very limited dispensations that a few countries allow, (for example students and young people to undertake limited types of work,) most countries wouldn't entertain the idea of a work permit for somebody who didn't have both a sponsoring employer and a skill for which there was a declared need.
i really wouldn't think that the embassy would say you cant get a work permit because you hold this passport unless they had some reason example you have a criminal background or political issues
Clinton,
You are looking at this issue in a far too simple way. Firstly, immigration from one country to another is not an easy subject to explain in a general way. Every country has their own rules and can do what ever they want, regardless of what passport you happen to have.
So, just because you may have a UK Passport and also don't have a criminal record does not mean the Americans have no reasonable reason to stop you working in their country.
Essentially if have a particular passport, you can work in that country. If you have an EU member passport, you can work anywhere within the EU. Anywhere else, you are going to require a work permit at the very least. To get a work permit, generally, you need to be married to a citizen of that country, have a parent who is a citizen of that country or there has to be a local need for someone with your skill set.
That's about as simply as I can explain it.
You are looking at this issue in a far too simple way. Firstly, immigration from one country to another is not an easy subject to explain in a general way. Every country has their own rules and can do what ever they want, regardless of what passport you happen to have.
So, just because you may have a UK Passport and also don't have a criminal record does not mean the Americans have no reasonable reason to stop you working in their country.
Essentially if have a particular passport, you can work in that country. If you have an EU member passport, you can work anywhere within the EU. Anywhere else, you are going to require a work permit at the very least. To get a work permit, generally, you need to be married to a citizen of that country, have a parent who is a citizen of that country or there has to be a local need for someone with your skill set.
That's about as simply as I can explain it.
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Clinton,
You have right to work in:
European Union
Norway
Iceland
Liechtenstein
Vatican City
To work in the US, you will need a work visa or green card, which are not easy to obtain. As a commercial pilot, your chances of getting sponsored are currently 0. Unless you are from Northern Ireland, you are ineligible for the green card lottery. Best bet are to invest significant amount of money or marry an American.
Every country has different rules, and they are usually designed to protect the jobs of their own citizens first.
You have right to work in:
European Union
Norway
Iceland
Liechtenstein
Vatican City
To work in the US, you will need a work visa or green card, which are not easy to obtain. As a commercial pilot, your chances of getting sponsored are currently 0. Unless you are from Northern Ireland, you are ineligible for the green card lottery. Best bet are to invest significant amount of money or marry an American.
Every country has different rules, and they are usually designed to protect the jobs of their own citizens first.
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You have an EU passport so if an application requires you to be legal to work in a country it means if it is not a place zondaracer listed you are out of luck.
Many people end up in the middle east or asia with EU passports but if you look at the requirements for those jobs, being legal to work in the country is not one of them. They can do this as they have experience that can not be found in the employers country.
You will not be able to work in the US unless you do a degree program that has a year of work experience attached and then it is ONLY as a flight instructor at one specific school.
I was in the same situation as you and you will need to find N reg aircraft in Europe to fly. Not an easy task so suggest you start hitting the ATPL theory ASAP.
You will not be able to get a work permit without a job, AUS is an exception depending on your age but you dont have an AUS license. If you are now thinking well maybe can get another job and then use that work permit to apply for flying stuff you will find that your permit will be issued with the condition of working for the employer it was issued for only.
To be honest it is how it should be, unskilled or low experience jobs should be offered to people of the region where the job is. If it can't be filled then look at expats.
There are very few exceptions, a couple of countries in Africa, but many of those jobs are now becoming for locals only and work permits are harder to obtain.
Many people end up in the middle east or asia with EU passports but if you look at the requirements for those jobs, being legal to work in the country is not one of them. They can do this as they have experience that can not be found in the employers country.
You will not be able to work in the US unless you do a degree program that has a year of work experience attached and then it is ONLY as a flight instructor at one specific school.
I was in the same situation as you and you will need to find N reg aircraft in Europe to fly. Not an easy task so suggest you start hitting the ATPL theory ASAP.
You will not be able to get a work permit without a job, AUS is an exception depending on your age but you dont have an AUS license. If you are now thinking well maybe can get another job and then use that work permit to apply for flying stuff you will find that your permit will be issued with the condition of working for the employer it was issued for only.
To be honest it is how it should be, unskilled or low experience jobs should be offered to people of the region where the job is. If it can't be filled then look at expats.
There are very few exceptions, a couple of countries in Africa, but many of those jobs are now becoming for locals only and work permits are harder to obtain.
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i understand everything you guys are saying i know what you trying to tell me.
but my question is what if the employer is already asking you if you are eligible to work in their country???
I found few companies that i wanted to apply to but on the application they asked
"are you eligible to work in xyz country"
so how do you find that out?
but my question is what if the employer is already asking you if you are eligible to work in their country???
I found few companies that i wanted to apply to but on the application they asked
"are you eligible to work in xyz country"
so how do you find that out?
Clinton,
I don't mean to be unkind but this is ridiculous. You've been told in this thread and at least one other, what countries you are able to work in.
If you need to find out if you are eligible or even what is required to work in another country, given the passports you have, how about you either, call the appropriate embassy, use the internet or even, dare I say it use some common sense. This is not rocket science.
You are talking about becoming a professional pilot. A job that requires common sense and initiative.
I don't mean to be unkind but this is ridiculous. You've been told in this thread and at least one other, what countries you are able to work in.
If you need to find out if you are eligible or even what is required to work in another country, given the passports you have, how about you either, call the appropriate embassy, use the internet or even, dare I say it use some common sense. This is not rocket science.
You are talking about becoming a professional pilot. A job that requires common sense and initiative.
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You are really just going around in circles and asking the same question again only to receive the same answers.
If you are a UK national, then you are normally eligible to work in an any other EU country. Beyond that, it would depend on your own circumstances. For example if one of your parents was a national of another country it might confer eligibility in that country. However when a company asks you if you are eligible to work in a country, it is normally asking you to confirm that you are ordinarilly eligible.
For example if British Airways asks on an application form if you are eligible to live and work in the UK, your answer would only be "yes" if you were a UK citizen, a citizen of another unrestricted EU nation. Held a permit to live and work in the UK by virtue of an immigration visa, or qualified by virtue of another recognised means of an acceptable right to live and work in the UK.
Other countries have broadly similar restrictions.
If a company needs to apply for a work permit or visa to enable a foreign national to work for them, they wouldn't need to do so if you were already eligible. Hence the question. Unless there was a requirement to recruit foreigners, the answer "no" enables them to disregard the application.
If you are a UK national, then you are normally eligible to work in an any other EU country. Beyond that, it would depend on your own circumstances. For example if one of your parents was a national of another country it might confer eligibility in that country. However when a company asks you if you are eligible to work in a country, it is normally asking you to confirm that you are ordinarilly eligible.
For example if British Airways asks on an application form if you are eligible to live and work in the UK, your answer would only be "yes" if you were a UK citizen, a citizen of another unrestricted EU nation. Held a permit to live and work in the UK by virtue of an immigration visa, or qualified by virtue of another recognised means of an acceptable right to live and work in the UK.
Other countries have broadly similar restrictions.
If a company needs to apply for a work permit or visa to enable a foreign national to work for them, they wouldn't need to do so if you were already eligible. Hence the question. Unless there was a requirement to recruit foreigners, the answer "no" enables them to disregard the application.
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You got to that countries embassy / consular website, check what is required to get a work visa in that country with your nationality.
If North America, South America, Australia - there is normally close to no chance.
From what I have read special cases in Asia and Africa, if you have experience etc., again I am sure would be case by case, and contacting the specifics country consulate will give you more correct answers than here.
But good idea if you give names of countries you considering, at least people would have a rough idea.
If North America, South America, Australia - there is normally close to no chance.
From what I have read special cases in Asia and Africa, if you have experience etc., again I am sure would be case by case, and contacting the specifics country consulate will give you more correct answers than here.
But good idea if you give names of countries you considering, at least people would have a rough idea.
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It is possible that if you want to work in the Gulf that if you hold an Israeli passport or have Israeli stickers/stamps in your passport then you would not be eligible to work in the Gulf.
There's little things like that will trip you up.
Having said that, I've been to Israel and Saudi Arabia and neither country stamped my passport.
There's little things like that will trip you up.
Having said that, I've been to Israel and Saudi Arabia and neither country stamped my passport.
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Hey thanks for the replies..
Ok lets say theres work in the caribbean...
Company x is looking for FAA license holders not matter what nationality but on the application it states are you eligible to work in the caribbean not live just to work there?
How do you find that out?
I've called the consulate and asked what do i need to do to find out if I'm eligible to work ina country that is looking to hire pilots and they state they cant give any information out unless i have the right paper work from the company that wants to employ me and submit it to them..
Thing is I'm not yet being accepted for the job so i don't have the paper work.. i just need to find out whether i am eligible to work there so i can give a positive and correct answer in my application for company.
i can see why the consulate wont give information out because you have to go through the process and pay the fee's needed its all about money they wont give information out for free.
So any idea on where you can find this information out or shall i just put down on the application to the company are you eligible to work here: YES and hope to get hired, get the papers from them submit it to the consulate and hope for the best that they approve my work visa..
Ok lets say theres work in the caribbean...
Company x is looking for FAA license holders not matter what nationality but on the application it states are you eligible to work in the caribbean not live just to work there?
How do you find that out?
I've called the consulate and asked what do i need to do to find out if I'm eligible to work ina country that is looking to hire pilots and they state they cant give any information out unless i have the right paper work from the company that wants to employ me and submit it to them..
Thing is I'm not yet being accepted for the job so i don't have the paper work.. i just need to find out whether i am eligible to work there so i can give a positive and correct answer in my application for company.
i can see why the consulate wont give information out because you have to go through the process and pay the fee's needed its all about money they wont give information out for free.
So any idea on where you can find this information out or shall i just put down on the application to the company are you eligible to work here: YES and hope to get hired, get the papers from them submit it to the consulate and hope for the best that they approve my work visa..
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Firstly, why don't you say what nationality you are, it makes it much easier for people to give you advice.
You might be from a country, where getting visa is very hard to work in some countries in the world.
Also when you call the consulate you need to know what questions you must ask.
Example. I am nationality A, I want to get a job in your country X, what do you require for me to get a work permit in your country?
Do I need a work permit in your country?
Also contact the actual company and ask them, do you employ pilots from your country A? If so, if accepted will your company provide a work permit for me in country X!
Example very easy, you from USA, and want to fly in EU, it is nearly impossible to get a work permit, unless special cases like married etc, the same vice versa, from EU you can't get work permit in the USA as a pilot.
Same goes for Australia, EU pilot will not get work permit in Australia.
It all depends what the company tells you, however if they tell you that you must be eligible to work in country X, and you don't have work permit there already, this would exclude you, because they want people who already have the right to work there, so they do not need to do the paperwork, which again cost the company money.
Companies will normally specify nationality eligibility, language requirements, if they tell you that you must get your own work permit, forget it, because this have to be done by your employer.
You seem to be digging around the same hole, and reluctant to give out any useful information to be able to give you fair advice.
If you need a work permit, you must ask company if they will accept you with your nationality. Any useful consulate would be able to tell you this to, as long as you get to talk to the right person, if not some search on Google will give you immense help to, loads of immigration help forums that can help you.
Also the countries website, consular section, would maybe also provide you with some information.
You might be from a country, where getting visa is very hard to work in some countries in the world.
Also when you call the consulate you need to know what questions you must ask.
Example. I am nationality A, I want to get a job in your country X, what do you require for me to get a work permit in your country?
Do I need a work permit in your country?
Also contact the actual company and ask them, do you employ pilots from your country A? If so, if accepted will your company provide a work permit for me in country X!
Example very easy, you from USA, and want to fly in EU, it is nearly impossible to get a work permit, unless special cases like married etc, the same vice versa, from EU you can't get work permit in the USA as a pilot.
Same goes for Australia, EU pilot will not get work permit in Australia.
It all depends what the company tells you, however if they tell you that you must be eligible to work in country X, and you don't have work permit there already, this would exclude you, because they want people who already have the right to work there, so they do not need to do the paperwork, which again cost the company money.
Companies will normally specify nationality eligibility, language requirements, if they tell you that you must get your own work permit, forget it, because this have to be done by your employer.
You seem to be digging around the same hole, and reluctant to give out any useful information to be able to give you fair advice.
If you need a work permit, you must ask company if they will accept you with your nationality. Any useful consulate would be able to tell you this to, as long as you get to talk to the right person, if not some search on Google will give you immense help to, loads of immigration help forums that can help you.
Also the countries website, consular section, would maybe also provide you with some information.
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Clinton, if you want our help you will have to give more info (where you are from and country where you want the job).
Otherwise, just look at this forum thread
http://www.pprune.org/caribbean-lati...-airlines.html
Otherwise, just look at this forum thread
http://www.pprune.org/caribbean-lati...-airlines.html
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if you want work in the USA with your FAA license, you need like me to win a green card at the lottery but regrettably it' s not for British people if you born in UK.
the US want only 3% of new immigrant per year which is around 10 million to 15 millions.When 50 years ago, they wanted 50% of immigrants, and at the begining, it was 100% of immigrants.people were even given free land to propect gold.
these 3% of immigrant are for:
- people who have US relatives
-married to a US citizen
- green card winer (50'000)
the question is :
-do you have relatives in the USA, if yes, the waiting period can be 10-20 years for you to get a visa number.
-are you married to US citizen or a green card holder? waiting period is 1-2 year to get a visa number.
-did you win a green card at the diversity visa? around 1 year waiting period.
There is another way to get a work permit and then a green card, it's to be sponsored.
In this case the employer will check with the Department of Labor (DOL) if there is a shortage of worker in the profession you are looking for.If yes, he can apply and pay the little sum of 5000-10000$ for you.(application fee, lawyer fee,....).
(do you really think an employer will pay 10'000$ to a young newbe from UK when they have their desk covered with CV of US people who have thousand of hours on jet?????)
Pilot, bus driver, taxi driver, truck driver, train driver= no shortage= no work permit.
there is even a law which prohibid employers to hire foreign truck drivers on US soil.Regrettably in the transport, it' s hard to get a work permit because it' s very easy to train taxy drivers and pilots (pilot can be trained in 1 year in the USA).
keep in mind:"Success doesn't come to you, you go to it"
the US want only 3% of new immigrant per year which is around 10 million to 15 millions.When 50 years ago, they wanted 50% of immigrants, and at the begining, it was 100% of immigrants.people were even given free land to propect gold.
these 3% of immigrant are for:
- people who have US relatives
-married to a US citizen
- green card winer (50'000)
the question is :
-do you have relatives in the USA, if yes, the waiting period can be 10-20 years for you to get a visa number.
-are you married to US citizen or a green card holder? waiting period is 1-2 year to get a visa number.
-did you win a green card at the diversity visa? around 1 year waiting period.
There is another way to get a work permit and then a green card, it's to be sponsored.
In this case the employer will check with the Department of Labor (DOL) if there is a shortage of worker in the profession you are looking for.If yes, he can apply and pay the little sum of 5000-10000$ for you.(application fee, lawyer fee,....).
(do you really think an employer will pay 10'000$ to a young newbe from UK when they have their desk covered with CV of US people who have thousand of hours on jet?????)
Pilot, bus driver, taxi driver, truck driver, train driver= no shortage= no work permit.
there is even a law which prohibid employers to hire foreign truck drivers on US soil.Regrettably in the transport, it' s hard to get a work permit because it' s very easy to train taxy drivers and pilots (pilot can be trained in 1 year in the USA).
keep in mind:"Success doesn't come to you, you go to it"
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Eligible means that you are allowed to do or receive something by rules or laws.
If you require a work permit or visa (that you do not already hold) then you are not eligible! You may be able to obtain a visa or work permit, or you may be able to become eligible by adopting a particular procedure, but unless you are already eligible, then the potential is irrelevant. The answer to the question "are you eligible" is simply no!
If you read the answers already given. you will have a better understanding of the reasons for this.
That should endear you to them when they find out you are not eligible. If you were eligible they wouldn't need to submit papers for a work visa.
Many countries issue work permits for vacancies that cannot be filled by the indigenous population. You may well be able to apply for such a vacancy in accordance with the terms and conditions specified by the sponsoring company. Clearly if you were already a national of that country (perhaps living abroad,) or of a country with reciprocal treaty agreements, then you would have established eligibility.
I am not sure why you keep asking the same question in the hope of getting an answer that suits you?
If you require a work permit or visa (that you do not already hold) then you are not eligible! You may be able to obtain a visa or work permit, or you may be able to become eligible by adopting a particular procedure, but unless you are already eligible, then the potential is irrelevant. The answer to the question "are you eligible" is simply no!
If you read the answers already given. you will have a better understanding of the reasons for this.
So any idea on where you can find this information out or shall i just put down on the application to the company are you eligible to work here: YES and hope to get hired, get the papers from them submit it to the consulate and hope for the best that they approve my work visa
Many countries issue work permits for vacancies that cannot be filled by the indigenous population. You may well be able to apply for such a vacancy in accordance with the terms and conditions specified by the sponsoring company. Clearly if you were already a national of that country (perhaps living abroad,) or of a country with reciprocal treaty agreements, then you would have established eligibility.
I am not sure why you keep asking the same question in the hope of getting an answer that suits you?
