BA Future Pilot Programme (FPP)(Merged)
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We have to remember that there will be literally thousands of applicants for this scheme, if you do not meet the basic education requirements you are unlikely to get any further. Life is not always fair. I agree that a 2.2 from Oxford in Engineering is better than a 2.1 from Wigan Poly in David Beckham studies, but then I doubt those with questionable non-technical degrees will get in either.
Being accepted for the CTC Wings scheme or any other integrated course is different to a sponsored/mentored scheme such as this. The bar will be set much higher here. Let's be honest it is not exactly rocket science passing the selection at these schools on a normal day. Walking around OAA on an open day a few months ago I met students who struggled to speak English, one who was clearly a bit slow at everything, and I watched one crash the simulator in front of me - hardly MENSA material! (The average standard I am sure is higher..... I hope)
Hezza, yes it does not mention the FPP salary scale on the website but I know someone on the inside who told me that there will be a separate pay-scale for FPPs. BA would be insane to pay you more than a DEP, there is no way any business would sign that off today - unless they are crazy.
Being accepted for the CTC Wings scheme or any other integrated course is different to a sponsored/mentored scheme such as this. The bar will be set much higher here. Let's be honest it is not exactly rocket science passing the selection at these schools on a normal day. Walking around OAA on an open day a few months ago I met students who struggled to speak English, one who was clearly a bit slow at everything, and I watched one crash the simulator in front of me - hardly MENSA material! (The average standard I am sure is higher..... I hope)
Hezza, yes it does not mention the FPP salary scale on the website but I know someone on the inside who told me that there will be a separate pay-scale for FPPs. BA would be insane to pay you more than a DEP, there is no way any business would sign that off today - unless they are crazy.
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What I've found most interesting is the difference in the way CTC write their requirements:
Considering they do the initial screening, I'd safely say that as long as you have the A level grades, the degree won't matter.
I'm another that got a 2:2 from a top university in a relevant subject (Engineering). I also got 4As at A level, including maths, further maths and physics. I refuse to believe that they'd judge someone with BBC at A level as more academically able.
The best we can do is put in an application and see what happens...
In English school/university grading systems (or National equivalents - proof of equivalency to be provided by candidates)
- 7 GCSEs grade C or above, including
- Maths, English and a Science subject (single or dual award) at GCSE grade B or above, and
- 3 A levels at grades BBC or above (note General Studies may not be used towards this requirement), or –
- An Honours Degree at 2:1 or above where either of the lower education requirements are not met
I'm another that got a 2:2 from a top university in a relevant subject (Engineering). I also got 4As at A level, including maths, further maths and physics. I refuse to believe that they'd judge someone with BBC at A level as more academically able.
The best we can do is put in an application and see what happens...
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Another cost that I believe needs to be factored in here, which will remain the same no matter which FTO you choose, is loan interest. The loan provider will charge interest until the loan in fully paid, which will be at the cost to the student as BA are paying you back the capital amount (£84000), and not the additional interest that has been incurred.
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Thank you everyone for your fantastic responses. I was quite worried about whether I could apply or not, but I think I will give it a shot and the worst they can say is 'no'.
It is interesting the entry requirements on the CTC Wings website are as follows:
General Entry Standards
You will be between the ages of 18 and 55 on the 1st February 2012
The unrestricted right to live and work in the UK
Fluent in English (verbal and written)
Able to produce a Criminal Record Check (CRC) Basic Disclosure Certificate prior to commencement of training
Able to hold a Class 1 Medical. For information please visit The UK Civil Aviation Authority
then after this they have an academic standards. Whether this sheds some more light upon whether its more applicable to me or others like..i dont know?
thanks for your responses
It is interesting the entry requirements on the CTC Wings website are as follows:
General Entry Standards
You will be between the ages of 18 and 55 on the 1st February 2012
The unrestricted right to live and work in the UK
Fluent in English (verbal and written)
Able to produce a Criminal Record Check (CRC) Basic Disclosure Certificate prior to commencement of training
Able to hold a Class 1 Medical. For information please visit The UK Civil Aviation Authority
then after this they have an academic standards. Whether this sheds some more light upon whether its more applicable to me or others like..i dont know?
thanks for your responses
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New BA pilot training programme
Dow Jones newswire reports -
I wonder how many will be trained in UK given the heavy cost of 20% VAT on all training costs!
"British Airways said Thursday it plans to take on more than 800 new pilots by 2016, using three combined recruitment programs to help people to train to become airline pilots.
MAIN FACTS:
-The new program called the 'Future Pilot Program' will help about 400 applicants to gain a place at an approved flight training school, with successful candidates landing a job as a British Airways pilot.
-Previously people have been prevented or deterred from starting a career as an airline pilot, due to the initial private training costs of around GBP100,000, which they have had to find themselves.
-This program helps students to secure funding to train as a pilot which they can pay back later in their career."
MAIN FACTS:
-The new program called the 'Future Pilot Program' will help about 400 applicants to gain a place at an approved flight training school, with successful candidates landing a job as a British Airways pilot.
-Previously people have been prevented or deterred from starting a career as an airline pilot, due to the initial private training costs of around GBP100,000, which they have had to find themselves.
-This program helps students to secure funding to train as a pilot which they can pay back later in their career."
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Hi all,
What great news this is from BA! I says on the apply page to register for updates but the link sends you to the main BA vacancy page - anyone managed to work out how to do that yet?!
What great news this is from BA! I says on the apply page to register for updates but the link sends you to the main BA vacancy page - anyone managed to work out how to do that yet?!
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Biggest Pilot Recruitment Drive For More Than A Decade
Entry to the profession is not restricted by the financial background of would-be pilots.
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Oxford Entrance Exams
Hey
Sorry to disturb directly but I saw you may have given someone else information on what to expect at the Oxford entrance tests.
Is there any chance you can give me any advice or information on this.
Many thanks for any help offered.
Sorry to disturb directly but I saw you may have given someone else information on what to expect at the Oxford entrance tests.
Is there any chance you can give me any advice or information on this.
Many thanks for any help offered.
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New BA pilot training programme
Hamilton flight school to train BA pilots
MICHELLE COOKE
Hamilton flight school to train BA pilots | Stuff.co.nz
Last updated 17:52 11/08/2011
A Hamilton flight school has been selected by British Airways to train cadet pilots - but there's a catch.
Only people with the right to work in the European Union would be eligible to apply - and only five or six percent of them would get through the tough selection criteria.
The CTC Aviation Training NZ Ltd school is the largest pilot training establishment in the country.
Its chief executive Ian Calvert said the company had supplied cadet pilots to the airline in the past but not on a regular basis.
He was ecstatic that the school had been chosen to train 30 cadets for the airline each year.
"It's really what we've been trying to get across in New Zealand for some time - that cadet pilots are the way of the future."
He said most pilots were trained to pilot a small aircraft and had to work their way up the ranks before being selected to fly larger planes.
"A general aviation pilot while they might eventually have the skills they don't have the immediate aptitude or ability to pilot a fast moving passenger jet," he said.
Calvert said the selection process for cadets was strict.
"Not just everyone with money will get though the course," he said.
"They're geared towards airline operations from day one."
Training took 17 to 18 months, Calvert said.
The school had 140 trainees at the moment and Calvert expected that number to increase to around 200 by March.
He expected around 12 cadets a month to arrive from the UK.
Those cadets would do their general skills training in the UK before arriving in New Zealand.
New Zealanders who were eligible to work in the European Union could also apply.
The school also trained cadet pilots for British Airways.
A training school in Spain and another school in the UK would also train cadet pilots for British Airways.
- Stuff
MICHELLE COOKE
Hamilton flight school to train BA pilots | Stuff.co.nz
Last updated 17:52 11/08/2011
A Hamilton flight school has been selected by British Airways to train cadet pilots - but there's a catch.
Only people with the right to work in the European Union would be eligible to apply - and only five or six percent of them would get through the tough selection criteria.
The CTC Aviation Training NZ Ltd school is the largest pilot training establishment in the country.
Its chief executive Ian Calvert said the company had supplied cadet pilots to the airline in the past but not on a regular basis.
He was ecstatic that the school had been chosen to train 30 cadets for the airline each year.
"It's really what we've been trying to get across in New Zealand for some time - that cadet pilots are the way of the future."
He said most pilots were trained to pilot a small aircraft and had to work their way up the ranks before being selected to fly larger planes.
"A general aviation pilot while they might eventually have the skills they don't have the immediate aptitude or ability to pilot a fast moving passenger jet," he said.
Calvert said the selection process for cadets was strict.
"Not just everyone with money will get though the course," he said.
"They're geared towards airline operations from day one."
Training took 17 to 18 months, Calvert said.
The school had 140 trainees at the moment and Calvert expected that number to increase to around 200 by March.
He expected around 12 cadets a month to arrive from the UK.
Those cadets would do their general skills training in the UK before arriving in New Zealand.
New Zealanders who were eligible to work in the European Union could also apply.
The school also trained cadet pilots for British Airways.
A training school in Spain and another school in the UK would also train cadet pilots for British Airways.
- Stuff
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British Airways looks for pilots on YouTube
British Airways has turned to YouTube to find the next generation of pilots as part of its biggest ever recruitment drive in more than a decade.
And, for the first time, the airline will underwrite pilots' training costs of around £100,000, which previously new recruits had to find themselves.
BA plans to take on more than 800 new pilots by 2016, half of which will come through the new Future Pilot Training Programme, details of which have been posted on the airline's dedicated YouTube site.
About 400 applicants will gain a place at one of three approved flight training colleges in the UK and Spain and successful candidates will land a job as a British Airways pilot. The airline will help students to secure sponsorship from Airline Placement Limited to cover the initial training, which they will then pay back out of their salaries over their career.
Captain Robin Glover, head of pilot recruitment at British Airways, said: “The Future Pilot Programme is a fantastic opportunity for anyone, from any background to realise their ambition of becoming a pilot and flying for British Airways.
“By removing the barrier of initial training costs and making it more accessible to a wider range of people, we hope to be able to attract the very best talent out there."
The airline is also looking to take on current commercial pilots from other airlines and it is working with the UK Armed Forces to give military pilots a new career in commercial aviation, once their agreed service period has ended.
British Airways has turned to YouTube to find the next generation of pilots as part of its biggest ever recruitment drive in more than a decade.
And, for the first time, the airline will underwrite pilots' training costs of around £100,000, which previously new recruits had to find themselves.
BA plans to take on more than 800 new pilots by 2016, half of which will come through the new Future Pilot Training Programme, details of which have been posted on the airline's dedicated YouTube site.
About 400 applicants will gain a place at one of three approved flight training colleges in the UK and Spain and successful candidates will land a job as a British Airways pilot. The airline will help students to secure sponsorship from Airline Placement Limited to cover the initial training, which they will then pay back out of their salaries over their career.
Captain Robin Glover, head of pilot recruitment at British Airways, said: “The Future Pilot Programme is a fantastic opportunity for anyone, from any background to realise their ambition of becoming a pilot and flying for British Airways.
“By removing the barrier of initial training costs and making it more accessible to a wider range of people, we hope to be able to attract the very best talent out there."
The airline is also looking to take on current commercial pilots from other airlines and it is working with the UK Armed Forces to give military pilots a new career in commercial aviation, once their agreed service period has ended.
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Entry
OK, it doesnt say for definate anyware yet (i can find), so i ask all this question:
Is this just a zero - hero scheme? It says little or no hours. Does that mean entry with the FTO - PPL - ATPL - MEP/CPL/IR. jobby. Or can you enter depending on your previous experiance... say PPL or ATPL?
Thank you
Is this just a zero - hero scheme? It says little or no hours. Does that mean entry with the FTO - PPL - ATPL - MEP/CPL/IR. jobby. Or can you enter depending on your previous experiance... say PPL or ATPL?
Thank you
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Clarification to degree requirements
The text on the BA site has just been updated and is now much clearer. Good news for those with 2(ii) degrees!
'This unique programme is open to any aspiring pilots who will be between the ages of 18 – 55 on 1st February 2012. Aspiring pilots from school leavers to those changing career are all very welcome to apply. You’ll need seven GCSEs at grade C or above (with Bs in English, Maths and a Science subject) plus three A-Levels, at grade BBC or above (General Studies excluded). If you don’t have the GCSE/A-Levels (or equivalents) that we’re looking for, but hold an Honours degree at 2:1 or above, we would be very happy to use that as evidence of your academic achievement. If you do meet the minimum GCSE/A-Level requirements, and you are a university graduate, there is no minimum degree class required. If you’ve got equivalent qualifications then you will be asked to provide a Letter of Comparability from UK NARIC before attending your first selection day.'
'This unique programme is open to any aspiring pilots who will be between the ages of 18 – 55 on 1st February 2012. Aspiring pilots from school leavers to those changing career are all very welcome to apply. You’ll need seven GCSEs at grade C or above (with Bs in English, Maths and a Science subject) plus three A-Levels, at grade BBC or above (General Studies excluded). If you don’t have the GCSE/A-Levels (or equivalents) that we’re looking for, but hold an Honours degree at 2:1 or above, we would be very happy to use that as evidence of your academic achievement. If you do meet the minimum GCSE/A-Level requirements, and you are a university graduate, there is no minimum degree class required. If you’ve got equivalent qualifications then you will be asked to provide a Letter of Comparability from UK NARIC before attending your first selection day.'
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The entry requirements are very clear. If you do not have the correct grades at A level (and let's be honest they are not very stringent) you can use a degree at a 2.1 level or above.