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Abagnale.
Nowhere did knocked down "call for compassion". In fact he/she seems to have been quite pragmatic about the whole thing.
Someone wrote that you're a captain? At least have the balls to apologise.
Nowhere did knocked down "call for compassion". In fact he/she seems to have been quite pragmatic about the whole thing.
Someone wrote that you're a captain? At least have the balls to apologise.
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Knocked down, good on you for not throwing good money after bad, like buying a TR and some line hours, I am sure you could find a loved one who would put it on the house if you whinged and black mailed enough. I know your feeling very, very, very, very well, it is tough at the moment. V6gs advice is very good. You know why you decided to go down this route and if you wanted to then, I am sure you still want it now. I read on here something that stuck with me a few years back:
'Winners never quit and quitters never win'
Keep it in your mind.
To be as fair as one can be to the industry, it is going through the worst period in its history and the last 6 months (i.e. May to October) are the worst time to apply for pilot jobs in the Northern Hemisphere, even in a good year. Make sure you give yourself a fair test.
Abagnale, your words are unnecessary, I appreciate the tack you may have been taking (giving you the benefit of the doubt) but don't kick people when they are down, kick people when they do things like jump queues and ruin opportunities for others by being artificially cheaper.
'Winners never quit and quitters never win'
Keep it in your mind.
To be as fair as one can be to the industry, it is going through the worst period in its history and the last 6 months (i.e. May to October) are the worst time to apply for pilot jobs in the Northern Hemisphere, even in a good year. Make sure you give yourself a fair test.
Abagnale, your words are unnecessary, I appreciate the tack you may have been taking (giving you the benefit of the doubt) but don't kick people when they are down, kick people when they do things like jump queues and ruin opportunities for others by being artificially cheaper.
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To Flinstone: Apologise for what?This is an open place for discussion,right?I've got my point of view and it might seem a bit rough,but that's just the way I see it.Life is not a fairy tale,unfortunately.
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Abagnale if you are a captain why dont you tell us how you made it to your current position?
Did you have to struggle at all or did you just get lucky?
If you struggled and perservered I will have some respect for what you say (not the way you say it) but if you just got lucky then maybe you dont know what its really like to be in knocked downs position.
Did you have to struggle at all or did you just get lucky?
If you struggled and perservered I will have some respect for what you say (not the way you say it) but if you just got lucky then maybe you dont know what its really like to be in knocked downs position.
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Abagnale.
The fact that you have to ask speaks volumes as do your other posts here. There are ways of putting ones opinion across, and ways of not doing so. I can see you're someone who revels in attention whether it be positive or otherwise. Very clever.
The fact that you have to ask speaks volumes as do your other posts here. There are ways of putting ones opinion across, and ways of not doing so. I can see you're someone who revels in attention whether it be positive or otherwise. Very clever.
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TheBeaK,I totally agree with your statement regarding the winners and I am not trying to kick anybody,just expressing a different point of view...It took me almost 10 years to get that first flying job,I just didn't have sufficient funds to pay for the training after school,went through college,worked for several years and did the training part-time,spread over a period of 5 years,during which I only had enough money to eat and pay for rent.No social life,no weekends,no friends... But I never complained about anything,never ever thought of quitting. "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger".
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Originally Posted by Abagnale
It took me almost 10 years to get that first flying job,I just didn't have sufficient funds to pay for the training after school,went through college,worked for several years and did the training part-time,spread over a period of 5 years,during which I only had enough money to eat and pay for rent.No social life,no weekends,no friends... But I never complained about anything,never ever thought of quitting.
Originally Posted by Abagnale
....we don't want to know any other details of your miserable life.
Sometimes this stuff just writes itself.
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Knocked down
Sorry to hear the way it has turned out so far and the best of luck in the future.
Abagnale
Great choice of moniker BTW!
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The tone and content of your post, not only in this thread, show you have a lot in common with your namesake!
Anne
Sorry to hear the way it has turned out so far and the best of luck in the future.
Abagnale
Great choice of moniker BTW!
Wiki
Abagnale, Jr. (born April 27, 1948) is an American security consultant best known for his history as a former confidence trickster, check forger, skilled impostor and escape artist
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Knocked you need to hang in there. I'm 13 months finished now and not even a whisper of a job interview. Cant get anything. Key is to keep yourself positive and keep your licenses current.
Get a job, doing whatever! It's money. It'll pay for your currency and renewals. I just renewed the MEIR last week, some say I'm mad the way things are. But I figure I'm interview ready for whenever the time comes.
You've got two interviews and havent gotten through. That's hard luck. But at least you've been called for two!
So you come across well on paper, maybe not so well in person. Get yourself in the right frame of mind and start again. Figure out what and where you're going wrong. Maybe meet with someone who knows about interviewing people and see what they say. If it's the simcheck that's getting to you, do some sim time if you cant afford it get flight sim. First things first get your license renewed. You can do the IR on the sim which makes it much cheaper.
You've worked so hard to get your license, dont give up at the first hurdle. If it was easy everyone would be doing it, so keep the head and dont give up...yet!
Get a job, doing whatever! It's money. It'll pay for your currency and renewals. I just renewed the MEIR last week, some say I'm mad the way things are. But I figure I'm interview ready for whenever the time comes.
You've got two interviews and havent gotten through. That's hard luck. But at least you've been called for two!
So you come across well on paper, maybe not so well in person. Get yourself in the right frame of mind and start again. Figure out what and where you're going wrong. Maybe meet with someone who knows about interviewing people and see what they say. If it's the simcheck that's getting to you, do some sim time if you cant afford it get flight sim. First things first get your license renewed. You can do the IR on the sim which makes it much cheaper.
You've worked so hard to get your license, dont give up at the first hurdle. If it was easy everyone would be doing it, so keep the head and dont give up...yet!
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Keep the chin up mate! we're going through the worst recession since records began: I wouldn't throw in the towel just yet but more or less take a step back for a year while keeping one eye on the ball, help remove the stress, just don't let you're IR lapse over 5 years otherwise (if I remember) you need to do the ATPL theory again.
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you managed to get 2 interviews this year!!! and failed both of them.
this tells us all two things about you (3 really)
1)your very good at selling yourself in letter
2)once employer meet you they must see your a knob!
number 3 is what I suspect is the only bit of truth I can get out of you post
you lying!!!! you have joined pprune just to knock other people back and put them of flying.
this tells us all two things about you (3 really)
1)your very good at selling yourself in letter
2)once employer meet you they must see your a knob!
number 3 is what I suspect is the only bit of truth I can get out of you post
you lying!!!! you have joined pprune just to knock other people back and put them of flying.
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Originally Posted by Abagnale
It took me almost 10 years to get that first flying job,I just didn't have sufficient funds to pay for the training after school,went through college,worked for several years and did the training part-time,spread over a period of 5 years,during which I only had enough money to eat and pay for rent.No social life,no weekends,no friends... But I never complained about anything,never ever thought of quitting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abagnale
....we don't want to know any other details of your miserable life.
Sometimes this stuff just writes itself.
Originally Posted by Abagnale
It took me almost 10 years to get that first flying job,I just didn't have sufficient funds to pay for the training after school,went through college,worked for several years and did the training part-time,spread over a period of 5 years,during which I only had enough money to eat and pay for rent.No social life,no weekends,no friends... But I never complained about anything,never ever thought of quitting.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Abagnale
....we don't want to know any other details of your miserable life.
Sometimes this stuff just writes itself.
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First of all, thank you for all good suggestion; I did not start this thread begging for sympatiy. I will not further comment on why I did not get eighter of the jobs. But I sure worked hard to get there.
What it all comes down to, in my case, I see fellow friends, not in the aviation business, have started to invest in nice apartments have good jobs. I’m stuck in a rat hole, and all my hard earned money goes towards renewal after renewal.
So this thread was a frustration act, so this year, I probably will let the renewal pass….
What it all comes down to, in my case, I see fellow friends, not in the aviation business, have started to invest in nice apartments have good jobs. I’m stuck in a rat hole, and all my hard earned money goes towards renewal after renewal.
So this thread was a frustration act, so this year, I probably will let the renewal pass….
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i was in the same place as TheBeak, failed 2 interviews. Then I did a class on how to interview properly and then passed my next 2 interviews, maybe worth a thought?
Always stay ready for an interview, I had a call to do one the next day once, was one of the ones i passed
Always stay ready for an interview, I had a call to do one the next day once, was one of the ones i passed
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Don't give up Knocked Down!
Maybe you could use the next year or so constructively? How about you get together with Madtass and Reverse Bump to book some English tuition? Did you 3 guys all play truant together? Based upon what you guys have written I wouldn't employ you to sweep the hangar floor! Don't you boys realise that carelessness kills in this business! OFFS! 
Good Luck anyway.
Good Luck anyway.
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2 Anne.Nonymous : Sorry,Anne,I am married 
2 Everybody else:Ladies and gentelmen,you can say whatever you want but the truth is so obvious:The guy doesn't want to fly,he wants a big house,a nice car and a top model wife,didn't you get it yet?
Here are the key words:
2 Everybody else:Ladies and gentelmen,you can say whatever you want but the truth is so obvious:The guy doesn't want to fly,he wants a big house,a nice car and a top model wife,didn't you get it yet?
Here are the key words:
What it all comes down to, in my case, I see fellow friends, not in the aviation business, have started to invest in nice apartments have good jobs.
Well, it's more about quality of life in my case.
I rather buy myself a decent apartment, a better car.
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Everybody else:Ladies and gentelmen,you can say whatever you want but the truth is so obvious:The guy doesn't want to fly,he wants a big house,a nice car and a top model wife,didn't you get it yet?
This forum is called "wannabes." It is not about people who want to fly for the pure thrill of being in the air, or view flying as some sort of religion. It as about people who want to make a career out of professional aviation. It is an intrinsic part of that career, that they utilize it to aquire the lifestyle they believe it should afford them. What is unusual about people aspiring to a big house or a nice car? When you see your classmates or compatriots achieving these things in their own lives, it can be quite depressing that your own choices have not yielded the same fruits.
So no the truth isn't that obvious. Wanting a lifestyle doesn't in any way equate to " the guy doesn't want to fly." I think a few of you need a serious reality check. However that shouldn't be a concern, because it is heading your way whether you are ready or not.
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I throughly understand the frustrations of the orginal poster. I have many friends that have gained their licenses (high atpl percentages, first series pass) that have had enough and left aviation for good. One is a second year med student, another a phd student, another took a if you can't beat-em join em attitude and retrained to be a city trader, another is an accountant, another emigrated to new zealand and is not a sheep farmer etc (i could go on). All the people that i know were all integrated bar one. Some like me have gone on to fly but it's only a few. You could always find another career keep flying on the weekends for pleasure. Good luck.