ATP Scheme (easyjet type rating and line hrs)
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is there anyone out there who has actually been through this scheme?
would really appreciate some info on it because its hard to gage the kind of company that is associated with this. cannot find anything on the internet regarding past experiences of other trainees.
has anyone been through any training with this organisation (ATP)?
would really appreciate some info on it because its hard to gage the kind of company that is associated with this. cannot find anything on the internet regarding past experiences of other trainees.
has anyone been through any training with this organisation (ATP)?
Perhaps the reason there is no feedback is because the company has just been setup to exploit you and disadvantage workers at Easyjet by all accounts a company TRE!
Suggest if you take a wide berth from this. You won't be liked by easy FO's and you will not get a job with easy. After the course you will then only be able to apply to airbus companies and you wont have enough time for the contract market. Are you going to keep paying more money till you get to the 500 hours? All in all a pretty ****ty deal that even the company admits is a revenue raiser in tough times! So save you money and go and get a FI ticket and actually earn some money instead.
Suggest if you take a wide berth from this. You won't be liked by easy FO's and you will not get a job with easy. After the course you will then only be able to apply to airbus companies and you wont have enough time for the contract market. Are you going to keep paying more money till you get to the 500 hours? All in all a pretty ****ty deal that even the company admits is a revenue raiser in tough times! So save you money and go and get a FI ticket and actually earn some money instead.
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would really appreciate some info on it because its hard to gage the kind of company that is associated with this.
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Ladies and Gents, although I understand how attractive this scheme sounds in the current climate I would urge caution. Easyjet are slowing down expansion and there is currently talk of closing some of the smaller bases. These two things combined would suggest that your chances of being employed when you complete your hours are slim, if you then add to that a holding pool for experienced pilots and the steady stream of cadets from CTC it becomes clear that this really is just a money making scheme for the company. I would suggest that if you have the money for this you would be far better off in the Ryanair cadet course were you will find yourself employed at the end of your training. I’m not suggesting that RYR are an ideal company but with a full time job (with a poor starting salary ☺) you can sit tight, build your hours and when times are better you will then be well placed to move on to where you want be.
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From above:
"are these students being treated fairly when on the line training seeing as they are paying for the experience."
Well if not please take your complaint to the Customer Services Desk in the departure hall.
"Well Sir, for £129.99 plus a £20 change of booking fee I can get you on this afternoon's Malaga flight....and, sorry sir?...You'd also like to be the Pilot? I'm afraid I'll have to call my Supervisor."
"are these students being treated fairly when on the line training seeing as they are paying for the experience."
Well if not please take your complaint to the Customer Services Desk in the departure hall.
"Well Sir, for £129.99 plus a £20 change of booking fee I can get you on this afternoon's Malaga flight....and, sorry sir?...You'd also like to be the Pilot? I'm afraid I'll have to call my Supervisor."
British Midland back in the early and mid 1990s (last recession for airline sector and recover years) used to sell B737 self funded type rating courses using their Sims. There was a suggestion but no promise and no formal agreement that those who took the course might be considered for employment with the airline if there was any recruitment need at the time.
Some did in fact get into BM in this way but others did not. The easyJet scheme follows this pattern but adds some line training. Similar to the Astraeus arrangements in years gone recently by.
Its not an evil plan to exploit people particularly. Rather it is a Type Rating course + Line Training hours for those with the money and desire to take their training up past the CPL/IR Frzn ATPL MCC level. At the moment I think it entails all of 8 guys from Africa who will be heading back there at the end of it.
What you will all come to realise in the coming months and years is that every airline in Europe is going to be fighting tooth and nail for survival. Things will get nasty. People will be upset. It will not be nice. Wannabes are on the bottom rung of the ladder which means every bit of crap falls their way.
Its a feature of the industry.
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Some did in fact get into BM in this way but others did not. The easyJet scheme follows this pattern but adds some line training. Similar to the Astraeus arrangements in years gone recently by.
Its not an evil plan to exploit people particularly. Rather it is a Type Rating course + Line Training hours for those with the money and desire to take their training up past the CPL/IR Frzn ATPL MCC level. At the moment I think it entails all of 8 guys from Africa who will be heading back there at the end of it.
What you will all come to realise in the coming months and years is that every airline in Europe is going to be fighting tooth and nail for survival. Things will get nasty. People will be upset. It will not be nice. Wannabes are on the bottom rung of the ladder which means every bit of crap falls their way.
Its a feature of the industry.
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I had a look at this scheme as well but although I've read and can understand the points mentioned for and against in this and other threads, more of the problem I have is with the reputation of the company as a type rating provider - from past experince not just in aviation when someone is providing a good product, they obviously need marketing but if the product is good they don't need to oversell it, people will come, with this product there looks to be too much sales pitch and 0845 numbers going on.
Which brings me to my main point - hopefully not too much off the point of this thread, has anyone had experience of the the Alteon/Thomas Cook(My Travel) scheme. Would have thought the same reservations apply to this scheme, however what makes me consider this more than the ATP, is that Alteon are more established and possibly more well respected, their claim is that upon completon of the course they have a 100% record of placing people in work (and when I say that, I don't think they just mean Thomas Cook but any airline). Personally if i were to consider the course i'm happy to go abroad for work if there were no opportunities within Thomas Cook e.g India etc, so I think the job risk is less. Also whilst the ATP scheme is a bit of a unknown, the guy from from MyTravel actually came down to Oxford a couple of years back to promote this method of entry and proposed that this was the standard method to apply (for a low hours pilot) apart from CTC - guess what i'm saying is it seems less of a new gimmick in the current economic climate because it was always the way.
Thoughts appreciated, especially those who have considered the scheme or been through it.
Which brings me to my main point - hopefully not too much off the point of this thread, has anyone had experience of the the Alteon/Thomas Cook(My Travel) scheme. Would have thought the same reservations apply to this scheme, however what makes me consider this more than the ATP, is that Alteon are more established and possibly more well respected, their claim is that upon completon of the course they have a 100% record of placing people in work (and when I say that, I don't think they just mean Thomas Cook but any airline). Personally if i were to consider the course i'm happy to go abroad for work if there were no opportunities within Thomas Cook e.g India etc, so I think the job risk is less. Also whilst the ATP scheme is a bit of a unknown, the guy from from MyTravel actually came down to Oxford a couple of years back to promote this method of entry and proposed that this was the standard method to apply (for a low hours pilot) apart from CTC - guess what i'm saying is it seems less of a new gimmick in the current economic climate because it was always the way.
Thoughts appreciated, especially those who have considered the scheme or been through it.
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thanks for the info www. am i right in thinking that u meant all the guys going on this scheme are from africa?
and also what are the Astraeus arrangements in years gone by? sorry if i sound a bit clueless about this but i have never heard of these people.
and also what are the Astraeus arrangements in years gone by? sorry if i sound a bit clueless about this but i have never heard of these people.
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great post bananaman, i am thinking exactly the same. but we cant seem to find anyone who has actually gone and met the people at atp. i think i will apply just to see what sort of company they are. i agree their website would put doubt into the minds of us wannabes. it seems a little brash and not very professional.
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Anybody with 1st hand experience?
It seems that there's nobody with 1st hand experience of these schemes speaking up. Anybody gone through SSTR at all? I'm looking at the banner of www.eaglejet.net on top of the screen right now. How about them?
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the complete silence from people who have done schemes like this is not a good sign. maybe they paid for the type rating and havent got a job out of it. that would be embarrassing to spend over 30k and then tell someone about it.
would have thought that if people were successful in these type of schemes they would probably speak up.
would have thought that if people were successful in these type of schemes they would probably speak up.
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Do this scheme and you're nuts. Simple. If you have 30K to blow then fire away. Ezy have recently announced one base closure with possibly more to follow and are getting rid of a/c. They don't need pilots, they need to cut costs and find new ways of creating revenue. You see where this is going? The new ATP scheme will make ezy money. That's as far as it goes.
I'll not bleat on about the morals of this scheme, its been done on terms and endearments, but yes, a lot of easyjet pilots are totally pissed off with the company. If you're a low hour fATPL desperate for a job then you won't listen to any of this or care about the implications of this scheme - to be fair I can understand that.
But I'm sorry - you are PAYING ezy to work for them. It's wrong, from every conceivable angle. Good luck to everyone who goes for this, if you end up with a job at the end of the 150hrs (again, morals of the scheme aside) I'd be pleased for you. I'd also be astonished.
I'll not bleat on about the morals of this scheme, its been done on terms and endearments, but yes, a lot of easyjet pilots are totally pissed off with the company. If you're a low hour fATPL desperate for a job then you won't listen to any of this or care about the implications of this scheme - to be fair I can understand that.
But I'm sorry - you are PAYING ezy to work for them. It's wrong, from every conceivable angle. Good luck to everyone who goes for this, if you end up with a job at the end of the 150hrs (again, morals of the scheme aside) I'd be pleased for you. I'd also be astonished.
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Hi All,
I am looking at the easyjet scheme too. But the cost and risks are really too high.
Then I got an idea. Why not use the money to start our own cargo airline. Then we can hire the captains and training captains and lease a plane. 7 wanabe are just nice to have a 1 cargo plane company. All 7 wanabe are just nice to rotate as first officers to fill the plane.
It would be even nicer if there are out-of-jobs captain that will join us.
Objective of the operations is to break even and pay our salary while accumulating hours while flying cargo.
Interested, drop me an email.
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I am looking at the easyjet scheme too. But the cost and risks are really too high.
Then I got an idea. Why not use the money to start our own cargo airline. Then we can hire the captains and training captains and lease a plane. 7 wanabe are just nice to have a 1 cargo plane company. All 7 wanabe are just nice to rotate as first officers to fill the plane.
It would be even nicer if there are out-of-jobs captain that will join us.
Objective of the operations is to break even and pay our salary while accumulating hours while flying cargo.
Interested, drop me an email.
myownairline.
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easy selection
Hi Clara,
how are you?Sorry but i was looking for some info about the assessement in EasyJet becouse i've to make the selections nex week,could you help me whit some info about the thech. questionare and so on?
Many thank's in advance Clara,
kind regards,
Lukiduke.
how are you?Sorry but i was looking for some info about the assessement in EasyJet becouse i've to make the selections nex week,could you help me whit some info about the thech. questionare and so on?
Many thank's in advance Clara,
kind regards,
Lukiduke.
From Easyjet's internal communications:
Airline Training Partnership (ATP)
There has been much rumour and speculation these past few months about a recent initiative we have embarked upon with a new supplier ATP.
Without wishing to let the truth get in the way of a good rumour I would however like to avail you of the facts.
We have an agreement with ATP to train 32 cadets this summer to the total of 150 hours per cadet. They then all have a pilot position to go to with another carrier upon successful completion of their training. They have not been employed by us and are outside our pilot establishment so in effect they are an extra resource for this summer. This is a very good opportunity for us because it allows us to effectively sell our surplus training capacity in the summer whilst earning significant revenue for us and in the current climate this is very welcomed.
I can accept that initial advertising on ATP’s website which made claims of “join the easyJet pilot programme" were misleading but you will note that these claims have since been removed. ATP has been advised not to use the easyJet name, logo or other such brand material to market their services.
My thanks go to all of the line trainers that are conducting flying this summer.
Airline Training Partnership (ATP)
There has been much rumour and speculation these past few months about a recent initiative we have embarked upon with a new supplier ATP.
Without wishing to let the truth get in the way of a good rumour I would however like to avail you of the facts.
We have an agreement with ATP to train 32 cadets this summer to the total of 150 hours per cadet. They then all have a pilot position to go to with another carrier upon successful completion of their training. They have not been employed by us and are outside our pilot establishment so in effect they are an extra resource for this summer. This is a very good opportunity for us because it allows us to effectively sell our surplus training capacity in the summer whilst earning significant revenue for us and in the current climate this is very welcomed.
I can accept that initial advertising on ATP’s website which made claims of “join the easyJet pilot programme" were misleading but you will note that these claims have since been removed. ATP has been advised not to use the easyJet name, logo or other such brand material to market their services.
My thanks go to all of the line trainers that are conducting flying this summer.
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what about the Thomas cook scheme/ Alteon scheme anyone heard any positive reports from people gaining employment with thomas cook at the end of it? Seems like a good scheme as far as training standerds but cash & risk are high.