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I would have thought if you wanted a job that much you would research the market and find out the potential employers that would consider you. Having to ask the name of my airline shows a lack of determination to get a job. If you don't seek out the perceived 'better' packages on the market and just think that Ryanair are the norm then you are failing yourself.
I will allow you to research the market and find out for yourself which UK airline I work for, it won't be difficult and they have a track record of employing EU nationals.....
PP
I will allow you to research the market and find out for yourself which UK airline I work for, it won't be difficult and they have a track record of employing EU nationals.....
PP
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DETERMINATION
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Pilot Pete.
To say that the chap is not determined enough to find a job because he does not have an in depth knowledge of EVERY airline's T & C's, so has to ask a simple question is insulting to him and others like him (including me).
It may have escaped your notice, but this part of pprune is about trying to find a job. There are many of us that would be overjoyed to just get a RHS on anything. And i am sure that if we got that chance, we probably not debate with the employer about the nature of the pension etc.
Maybe it's you that should do a bit more research on the demographics of 'wannabe's' and what they do to try a get a job that puts them on the first rung of the ladder.
JTK
Originally Posted by Pilot Pete
Having to ask the name of my airline shows a lack of determination to get a job.
To say that the chap is not determined enough to find a job because he does not have an in depth knowledge of EVERY airline's T & C's, so has to ask a simple question is insulting to him and others like him (including me).
It may have escaped your notice, but this part of pprune is about trying to find a job. There are many of us that would be overjoyed to just get a RHS on anything. And i am sure that if we got that chance, we probably not debate with the employer about the nature of the pension etc.
Maybe it's you that should do a bit more research on the demographics of 'wannabe's' and what they do to try a get a job that puts them on the first rung of the ladder.
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JTK - think thats a bit harsh on old Pete mate. There are far too many people in the world who do want things given to them on a plate and can't be bothered to find things out for themselves. I know ive spent hours and hours like most wannabees on here researching potential employers and contacts, if you want people to do all the work for you then no your not very committed imho. Regarding accepting poor T&Cs for a 1st job well of course you have a totally valid point; most of us would do anything to get a RHS job and the likes of RYR definitely make the most of that. However Pete also has a valid point, slowly the T&Cs will get worse and worse untill you end up doing it totally for free (after paying for type and line training) for the 1st year or longer 
As far as asking Pete to do some more research on wannabes, well I think he knows exactly about what our situation is, hence the excellent services that he runs in his spare time! Keep it up Pete
As far as asking Pete to do some more research on wannabes, well I think he knows exactly about what our situation is, hence the excellent services that he runs in his spare time! Keep it up Pete
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Originally Posted by INSIDEVIEW
GOT IT ...YES IT WAS EASY ,now the hard part ,isnt your Airline actually hiring experienced Pilots ,not Low timers like me ?
My point was not to offend, just to point out that if somebody has to ask about what airline will employ them then they are NOT doing enough to get themselves a job. When I had 250hrs I knew EXACTLY which airlines employed pilots with my experience level and by the time I had my IR the CVs and applications were in the post. Just remember, if you don't give the job search 100%, sure as eggs are eggs someone else will and they will get one of the few jobs going for low houred pilots.
Good luck.
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what a bond is
Taken from a Canadian forum with ALPA battling for bonds to be prohibited.
Young inexperienced pilots should read this to have a clear understanding of what a bond is and what it entails.
I am seeing the UK going down the same road that Canada did, all these low houred pilots paying to work for an airline (not a bond) and in ten years time starting salaries going down and terms and conditions going down.
I myself have entered into a bond, but one that was fair, and that had my interests and the employer interests at heart. I was approached by a certain company that wanted me to pay to work for them, if you all did as I did and laugh at them, then proper legitimate bonds would be in place.
http://www.fls-ntf.gc.ca/doc/sub_fb_61.pdf
Young inexperienced pilots should read this to have a clear understanding of what a bond is and what it entails.
I am seeing the UK going down the same road that Canada did, all these low houred pilots paying to work for an airline (not a bond) and in ten years time starting salaries going down and terms and conditions going down.
I myself have entered into a bond, but one that was fair, and that had my interests and the employer interests at heart. I was approached by a certain company that wanted me to pay to work for them, if you all did as I did and laugh at them, then proper legitimate bonds would be in place.
http://www.fls-ntf.gc.ca/doc/sub_fb_61.pdf
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Originally Posted by 510orbust
I am seeing the UK going down the same road that Canada did, all these low houred pilots paying to work for an airline (not a bond) and in ten years time starting salaries going down and terms and conditions going down.
I myself have entered into a bond, but one that was fair, and that had my interests and the employer interests at heart.
I myself have entered into a bond, but one that was fair, and that had my interests and the employer interests at heart.
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An example - A devon based, dash operator make new joiners sign a bank loan for £20'000 (plus interest) over a 4 year term. The loan apparently is in your name however the company make the repayments whilst you are employed. So if you get fired or company goes bust you are 100% liable. Sounds pretty bad eh!
Get this-the loan is effectively frozen for year 1 and so no repayments are made until the beginning of year 2!?!
All for a
Dash 8 rating.
Get this-the loan is effectively frozen for year 1 and so no repayments are made until the beginning of year 2!?!
All for a
Dash 8 rating.
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There you go. Easy eh? Now find out if they employ low timers. That will be easy too. Oh, ok, I'll tell you. Yes they do. I went to work last night and bumped into a CRM instructor pal who was running a course full of new joiners. Their experience level ranged from 150hrs to 200hrs. Even I baulked at 150hrs!!!
I have got the opportunity of an assessment / sim check with FR, but if successful, have to pay £18k for the type rating, followed by a period of several months without pay. Although it would be my first flying job opportunity since qualifying I have sadly had to decline the offer.
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A BIT Harsh towards pilot pete
Ok, maybe I did sound a bit acidic.
Cannot remember which day i posted it. A student (i am an FI) could have tried to kill me that day or my pants may have just been too tight. Or a combination of the both in any order.
My aim was not to offend anyone.
JTK
Cannot remember which day i posted it. A student (i am an FI) could have tried to kill me that day or my pants may have just been too tight. Or a combination of the both in any order.
My aim was not to offend anyone.
JTK
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Well I ruled out that airline as one where he works because their website states:
"First Officers wishing to apply must have 1500 hours total time to include either 500 hours jet experience or 1000 turbo hours. 737/757 Type Rated First Officers may apply with a minimum of 300 hours line experience."
Maybe they should update their website, or maybe I need glasses
Anyways, thanks for that TruTh747
"First Officers wishing to apply must have 1500 hours total time to include either 500 hours jet experience or 1000 turbo hours. 737/757 Type Rated First Officers may apply with a minimum of 300 hours line experience."
Maybe they should update their website, or maybe I need glasses
Anyways, thanks for that TruTh747
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Originally Posted by TolTol
Maybe they should update their website
I always recommend people research airlines fully and don't just rely on what a website says. Many airlines put their 'wish list' down as requirements, but it doesn't necessarily mean that they won't recruit pilots with less experience.
For your information Thomsonfly, nee Britannia have a long history of recruiting 200hr pilots to Second Officer positions.
Good luck.
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For your information Thomsonfly, nee Britannia have a long history of recruiting 200hr pilots to Second Officer positions
Kind Regards,
Truth747