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Originally Posted by king rooney
As far as I know they're gonna need around 1000 or so, as they have big expansion plans.
Think they'll keep the CTC scheme going if a lot of the cadets are leaving?
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I think there is an element of truth to this and it will be interesting to see what CTC do about it. When I was having my stage 3 day I had lunch with a few guys on the course and this very subject came up. We were discussing the bond and how it works and they said that the bond was between them and the bank, not bonding them to an airline specifically. This seemed different to what I was told at stage 2 whereby I would be bonded to Easy or whoever for 7 years. Essentially the CTC guys can move around between airlines as and when they see fit but they will then be responsable for the loan repayments. This obviously puts them in a predicament where they will only leave their initial airline after so many hours so they can then enter the next airline directly, not on a cadet wage. The way things are going there is nothing stopping cadets going through CTC, getting placed with Easy or another loco, building hours and doing one to BA after the 500 hours are acheived. This is certainly happening and I'm sure it wont be long before a clause is underwritten to stop using easy as a stepping stone because it wont be long before CTC get a bad name. I just hope it doesn't happen soon coz I'm still going through the CTC process.
Any one out there actually done this? I.e started with easy and moved to BA after very few hours?
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I think there is an element of truth to this and it will be interesting to see what CTC do about it. When I was having my stage 3 day I had lunch with a few guys on the course and this very subject came up. We were discussing the bond and how it works and they said that the bond was between them and the bank, not bonding them to an airline specifically. This seemed different to what I was told at stage 2 whereby I would be bonded to Easy or whoever for 7 years. Essentially the CTC guys can move around between airlines as and when they see fit but they will then be responsable for the loan repayments. This obviously puts them in a predicament where they will only leave their initial airline after so many hours so they can then enter the next airline directly, not on a cadet wage. The way things are going there is nothing stopping cadets going through CTC, getting placed with Easy or another loco, building hours and doing one to BA after the 500 hours are acheived. This is certainly happening and I'm sure it wont be long before a clause is underwritten to stop using easy as a stepping stone because it wont be long before CTC get a bad name. I just hope it doesn't happen soon coz I'm still going through the CTC process.
Any one out there actually done this? I.e started with easy and moved to BA after very few hours?
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Can only speak for Luton base, but you would be hard pressed to find any cadet or ATP FO's with greater than 500 hours that aren't waiting for a course date, sim check or interview with BA. Brand new TRSS FO's are also on their way out the door, taking their type rating and debt with them.
The issue is with easyJet, not CTC. Until conditions are vastly improved, all flight crew, from day 1 cadet to training captains will be leaving for companies that offer a better lifestyle (notice lifestyle being the issue, not pay).
Not sure that anything could be written into the contracts to keep cadets from leaving. You are applying to CTC, not easy. As a cadet or ATP, you are placed with an airline. You couldn't lock someone into easy for 7 years while someone placed with Tommyfly or Monarch was free after six months.
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The issue is with easyJet, not CTC. Until conditions are vastly improved, all flight crew, from day 1 cadet to training captains will be leaving for companies that offer a better lifestyle (notice lifestyle being the issue, not pay).
Not sure that anything could be written into the contracts to keep cadets from leaving. You are applying to CTC, not easy. As a cadet or ATP, you are placed with an airline. You couldn't lock someone into easy for 7 years while someone placed with Tommyfly or Monarch was free after six months.
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I can second the fact that I have met many cadets who are off to BA after being with easy for around a year or less.
I do not know the exact payscales for cadets but for myself (ex ATP scheme) I am financially better off staying put bearing in mind command in another 2 years approx. That is over the short term ofcourse (5-7 years).
Do not get sucked into the hype of oxford guys getting into easy. They have done so through ctc or gecat. If the latter, they have paid 20k on top of oxfords absurd prices. However, the demand is such that they are looking at gecat because ctc can't supply enough cadets now.
So yes, the requirements are lowering. I would not be surprised if for this reason gecat are now asking for integrated graduates only.
There will always be people leaving for BA or those who want longhaul once they have the experience. However many people are leaving the company because of rostering and lifestyle issues. As a wannabe however easy is honestly one of the best airlines you could join. 2 years with easy and your career options will be fantastic.
I do not know the exact payscales for cadets but for myself (ex ATP scheme) I am financially better off staying put bearing in mind command in another 2 years approx. That is over the short term ofcourse (5-7 years).
Do not get sucked into the hype of oxford guys getting into easy. They have done so through ctc or gecat. If the latter, they have paid 20k on top of oxfords absurd prices. However, the demand is such that they are looking at gecat because ctc can't supply enough cadets now.
So yes, the requirements are lowering. I would not be surprised if for this reason gecat are now asking for integrated graduates only.
There will always be people leaving for BA or those who want longhaul once they have the experience. However many people are leaving the company because of rostering and lifestyle issues. As a wannabe however easy is honestly one of the best airlines you could join. 2 years with easy and your career options will be fantastic.
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As has been mentioned, the issue with cadets leaving doesn't reflect badly on CTC, quite the opposite as I imagine the gents down at Dibden are quietly pleased their 'product' is being snapped up by BA - albeit via a different route than they perhaps envisaged when starting the scheme.
The bottom line is none of us regard Easy as a career airline, not when faced with 40 plus years (in the case of an ex-cadet) of the current roster pattern, annual leave and pension scheme. It might sound like an ungrateful moan and it is to an extent but once training ends and the job begins you start to look at things a bit differently from the days when you simply aspired to sit in the RHS. BA is seen as somewhere you could work AND have a semblence of a life long term - grass is always greener and all that.
I think part of the problem is that the scheme was introduced at a time when jobs were scarce and easy will have arranged their cadet terms and conditions accordingly with the attitude that cadets would be grateful of the opportunity afforded to them and would have little opportunity to look elsewhere for employment. These days, recruitment wise, times are good and it is natural (to an extent) that at the moment there is a lot of movement to airlines such as BA. History suggests a downturn will arrive at some point in the future and when it does you can bet BA and others will stop recruiting us sprogs and all of a sudden easy will have very little trouble in retaining low hour new entrants.
There is a strong demand for new entrants at easy - rumours abound that recruitment days and interview sessions are constantly undersubscribed and current pilots are still leaving. Plenty of captains flying with captains at my base which goes down like a turd encased in concrete. The exact numbers I don't think anyone can be sure of but new aircraft keep arriving
The bottom line is none of us regard Easy as a career airline, not when faced with 40 plus years (in the case of an ex-cadet) of the current roster pattern, annual leave and pension scheme. It might sound like an ungrateful moan and it is to an extent but once training ends and the job begins you start to look at things a bit differently from the days when you simply aspired to sit in the RHS. BA is seen as somewhere you could work AND have a semblence of a life long term - grass is always greener and all that.
I think part of the problem is that the scheme was introduced at a time when jobs were scarce and easy will have arranged their cadet terms and conditions accordingly with the attitude that cadets would be grateful of the opportunity afforded to them and would have little opportunity to look elsewhere for employment. These days, recruitment wise, times are good and it is natural (to an extent) that at the moment there is a lot of movement to airlines such as BA. History suggests a downturn will arrive at some point in the future and when it does you can bet BA and others will stop recruiting us sprogs and all of a sudden easy will have very little trouble in retaining low hour new entrants.
There is a strong demand for new entrants at easy - rumours abound that recruitment days and interview sessions are constantly undersubscribed and current pilots are still leaving. Plenty of captains flying with captains at my base which goes down like a turd encased in concrete. The exact numbers I don't think anyone can be sure of but new aircraft keep arriving
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For the benefit of the guys who were interested in pilot numbers required asked at work today and we are 100 -150 short for the summer. Flights being cancelled because of lack of crews.
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Rosco they are asking for 500 hours multi-crew I think - it is on the easyjet website. Even if you are under that it might be worth a try. If we really are that short of crew then it's going to be an interesting summer.
A good time to be in the job hunt though, lets hope it continues for a while.
A good time to be in the job hunt though, lets hope it continues for a while.
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Lads I will see if I can find out what the average delay is in responding at work tomorrow, should be some management about after they all had their easter weekend off. I'll try my best to remeber anyway (day 5 of earlies).
Which reminds me I'd better go to bed
Which reminds me I'd better go to bed
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Sorry guys coudn't get much info regarding how long it normally takes to get a response from recruitment. Looks like it varies quite a bit depending on how many applications come in. If it is any help there was a guy on my TR course who hadn't yet unfrozen his ATPL and was flying 748s' so going from that ROSCO I would be suprised if you didn't hear back with the type and quality of hours you have on EFIS TPs. Maybe worth a call like you said.
Good Luck again!
Good Luck again!