Ryanair Interview and Sim Assessment (merged)

[Turkish777]

Thank you Willing to sell soul and shabo8, puts my mind at rest...good luck

[genius747]

May 4th Ryanair sim assessments?

Hi, a quick post to see if anybody else here is scheduled for a sim assessment with Ryanair on May 4th next??

PM me Please!.

G747

[virtualaviation]

>> Does anyone have any feedback, positive or negative on the 737-200 sim and preparation course at Realsimulation?

Not personally, but I guy I know who went there for practice prior to a Thomsonfly 737-300 assessment last year said it was counter-productive. He said the instruments were not synchronised... descending on the glideslope at 700-800fpm on the altimeter, the VSI showed 300fpm.

It's a generic sim, not a real Boeing one. I don't believe it has any CAA certification and is only used for fun/practice, not for type-rating or recurrent training.

I've heard much more favourable reports of the Simtech 737-200 in Dublin, and the 727-200 in Bournemouth.

[Northern Highflyer]

I found the sim session with realsimulation useful to get to grips with the SID for the assessment, and for the general handling qualities of a jet. As it is a 200 it is different to the 300 EFIS version I eventually did my assessment in, and in that respect it didn't help a great deal. If you are in the 200 at EMA you should be ok though.

What the sim practice didn't do, and probably had a negative effect on my performance as viewed by the examiner, was the fact that they don't know exactly what the SOP's are for the assessment, or the exact way in which you are expected to fly the procedure. You will tend to fly the way you were shown in the practice which may not be what they are looking for. Just be aware of this on the day.

My assessment wasn't for Ryanair so it may be different with them.

virtualaviation

I believe that when the 200 goes offline it will be a permanent thing and all assessments will then be on the 800.

NH

[-8AS]

Virtualaviation.

-800 now used for assessments.

[Polarhero]

Sim type.

They are still using the -200 at Dublin tho.

[Will964]

Is anyone concerned at the sheer number of pilots Ryanair appear to be interviewing and then offering places to. Does Ryan have the resources to cope with an influx of this many inexperienced FOs? I had thought they were loosing training captains by the fist full, so how long will the wait between finishing the TR and starting line training become? I understand they had got it down to an expectable level, but surely this will blow out again.

[fredmrs]

Can anyone tell me usually how long before you get a reply after doing the assessment day at EMA?
I did mine on tuesday and still no reply .... I thought it was within 24Hrs but oviously not ?

Thanks.

[Aloue]

Is anyone concerned at the sheer number of pilots Ryanair appear to be interviewing and then offering places to.

As far as I can make out, the answer is yes - except for those who should be concerned about it, namely those who are going to part with their money.

Just in case you missed it, for Ryanair this is a profit centre. There cannot be too many trainees, because they are a source of revenue and an unpaid reserve of pilots to be brought into the company when they are required. You don’t get paid until they become productive. They just wait and worry; if they contact somebody for info the resulting conversation is frequently offensive and aggressive (because, even if you don't realise it by then, your are already entrapped and expendable). To spell it out in even clearer terms:

You pay up front for the rating. If you fail at any point you get no refund.

You do not get paid during training. Your contract is not with Ryanair but with at least one, if not two, intermediary organisations. This makes legal action hard to contemplate.

You only get verbal explanations or promises of what the future holds. You do not get to see a Ryanair contract. You do not get written salary scales (not least because they don’t exist). You certainly are not guaranteed (in writing) to get a job, nor are you given a timescale within which you will receive pay.

It is into this environment that ALL cadet pilots enter and part with their money. Few for whom this has gone very badly wrong have had the honesty and courage to come here and explain what happened (but there are a couple if you look carefully).

Bottom line: you could (though this is exceptional) remain unline-trained up to 18 months after paying for the type rating. You discover that there is no pay until you are almost finished line-training. You will be bonded for line training (to further prevent you from leaving). You will be paid at lower percentages of pay than other pilots for up to 23 months. Finally, when you reach the end of this game, a percentage of the successful trainees will be told that there are no permanent Ryanair positions available, but that they will consider you as a contractor – and you will be given a “take it or leave it” offer.

If you leave, your slot will be filled by another who pays upfront for the rating ….. and the cycle continues to contribute to Ryanair’s profits and unpaid reserve of cannon fodder.

The line of candidates for this exploitation and madness is both long and willing. It may take some time for the message to get through.

[skyflyer737]

Aloue, Thanks for the info. Could you explain how you are bonded during your line training?

Also, do you know if base training is included in the 24,500 Euros type rating cost with CAE(Amsterdam) or is that payable separately? If so, what's the cost of that?

Thanks
SkyFlyer737

[EGAC_Ramper]

Base training is not funded by yourself.

[easyflybywire]

I can also confirm that you don't need to worry about the MEP rating for the Ryanair application. I renewed my IR in January on an FNPTII and have been invited to the EMA assessment in March.

True for the ryanair application but you'll need it before starting the TQ if you pass the assessment...

[DragStrut]

easyflybywire

is this a Ryanair quirk?? as in my experience the only requirement to start a type rating by the caa is a valid MEIR the MEP rating is not required to be valid when starting the rating. i have renewed my MEIR but my MEP has lapsed and i had no probs getting the rating.

Dragstrut

[easyflybywire]

Dragstrut,

I was doing the same : renew of IR/ME every year on FNPT2 and they didn't say anything during the interview but I was asked to get my MEP back before starting the type rating.
OK I know it seems stupid to renew a piston rating before starting a jet type rating but that's the way it is with ryan and I'm not sure it is the only company to ask that...
2000 euros, in my opinion, for nothing...

[planeshipcar]

prices for over all Type Rating and living and a bit on MCC

Is there much in the costs between CAE and SAS, when it comes down to living expences?

Also would most recommend Parc over the Ryan MCC courses at CAE or SAS or do you think there is little difference - they get you through the door.

How easily have guys got on to Ryan MCC and what was the assessment day like and what questions.

cheers,
planeshipcar

[mcflight]

Is there anyone who allready did his assessement on the B737-800?? if yes could you inform me on how it was, which field was in use for departure an arrival which types of approaches did you get?
Thanx in advanced!

[YYZ]

I’m at SAS now, half the guys did the MCC here, and therefore I would say it is worth doing the MCC here given the choice?
As for cost, the rating and bank transfer and security check has cost me £18,600 ish so far, accom is reasonable here from a guy who seems to only rent to Ryanair guys?
As for SAS, wow, fantastic place, im sure people will say it should be for the money, but many do CPL/IR in a wood hut, this place has no expense spared, saunas, gym, cheap canteen and sims of course!
All in all so far im happy, time will tell I guess, but everything they said was going to happen has, and on time?
If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me and I will answer when I get chance.
YYZ

[Sky Goose]

ME IR and MEP for FR Type Rating?

Does anyone have any feedback on wether you really do need a valid MEP or just a ME-IR (completed on an FNPT 2) to do the FR type rating. Any feedback welcome as I'll be commencing my course in 2 weeks.
cheers
Goose

[Skydreams]

Mmm....just a thought - but had you thought about asking them?

[Sky Goose]

Thanks Skydream,

Will do that on monday, just though someone might put my mind at rest earlier.