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AAQ sponsorship, or shall we say RVL or AACF?!
Hi,
Just to let you eager fugs-to-be.. your right about the buy out thing, as we all know, AAQ have stopped operating ATRs.. and recon have now split from the group (nearly) This has Pros and cons, but as for you guys trying to get in, i can only see it as a slight advantage, as now AACF will take on fugs to be specifically AACF pilots, Im guessing anyway, they need someone to to the mugs! and RVL will take on fugs to be recon guys like us, either way im sure its a good way to start.. RVL is still based at CVT in one of the hangars and im sure it will thrive now a lot of the 'fat' has been removed..
there seems to be a lot of negativity among the flyers at the moment about getting rid of ATRs.. which i somewhat agree with, from a career POV, well MCC aircraft doing the cool type of work we did, well it would be fun and good for the career.. But at the end of the day, any for who may be disuaded from applying should think about the short-term, getting a foot on the ladder and getting some good experience from either classic or recon.. both have good types of flying.. Being a fug is a whole heap more than flying.. and the wrong type of organisation can turn you into a t**t, believe me, you will see them.. being a fug seems to get your flying to A1 standard (in my case D7!) and makes you a better person in general, on the way expect a varied life, never knowing whats happening tomorrow and meeting some great piers and making great friends. great times!!
RHC28
Just to let you eager fugs-to-be.. your right about the buy out thing, as we all know, AAQ have stopped operating ATRs.. and recon have now split from the group (nearly) This has Pros and cons, but as for you guys trying to get in, i can only see it as a slight advantage, as now AACF will take on fugs to be specifically AACF pilots, Im guessing anyway, they need someone to to the mugs! and RVL will take on fugs to be recon guys like us, either way im sure its a good way to start.. RVL is still based at CVT in one of the hangars and im sure it will thrive now a lot of the 'fat' has been removed..
there seems to be a lot of negativity among the flyers at the moment about getting rid of ATRs.. which i somewhat agree with, from a career POV, well MCC aircraft doing the cool type of work we did, well it would be fun and good for the career.. But at the end of the day, any for who may be disuaded from applying should think about the short-term, getting a foot on the ladder and getting some good experience from either classic or recon.. both have good types of flying.. Being a fug is a whole heap more than flying.. and the wrong type of organisation can turn you into a t**t, believe me, you will see them.. being a fug seems to get your flying to A1 standard (in my case D7!) and makes you a better person in general, on the way expect a varied life, never knowing whats happening tomorrow and meeting some great piers and making great friends. great times!!
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To clarify, when they say 26, do they mean.....
Up until the day you turn 26?
26 and 1/2?
or any time after your 26th birthday, but before you turn 27?
Please advise.
Thanks
Up until the day you turn 26?
26 and 1/2?
or any time after your 26th birthday, but before you turn 27?
Please advise.
Thanks
I've been looking at Atlantiques website (and this thread) and couldn't work out which bits were still there and which weren't. Having been told to 'come back in a year' by CTC, i'm going to apply for AA, but wondered a few things, namely;
(Assuming for the sake of the question that they don't sell the classic aircraft) Do the pilots they sponsor get to fly the classic stuff? The website seemed to list a lot of volunteer pilots, and it would seem strange to pay to train me to fly a Hunter if someone would gladly do it for free.
Has anyone made the move from AA to a jet operator and what was the process/ how hard was it?
Cheers and apologies if they seem like bonehead questions.
Ginger
(Assuming for the sake of the question that they don't sell the classic aircraft) Do the pilots they sponsor get to fly the classic stuff? The website seemed to list a lot of volunteer pilots, and it would seem strange to pay to train me to fly a Hunter if someone would gladly do it for free.
Has anyone made the move from AA to a jet operator and what was the process/ how hard was it?
Cheers and apologies if they seem like bonehead questions.
Ginger
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Air Atlantique doesn't exist per se - through a collection of management buyouts it's all been split up a bit. The old Air Atlantique Group was comprised of Atlantic Airlines, Air Atlantique, AA Classic Flight, Air Atlantique Recon, and (I think) Atlantic Express.
Atlantic Airlines have the electra's and ATP's, and do all the freight.
The Classic Flight are still owned and run as a profit making venture (apparently) by Mike Collett, who was the original head of the Air Atlantique Group.
The Recon setup was bought out by it's management and now operates as "Reconnaisance Ventures Ltd" doing the MCA and coastguard operation with the big little cessnas.
Atlantic Express is curretly sat dormant.
Confused yet? I was - happy to stand corrected though. It's worth pointing out that Atlantic Airlines have just run an intake for their cadet scheme, so it'll most likely be another 4-6month before they run another one.
And don't get your hopes up - the hunter is under restoration ;-).
M.
Atlantic Airlines have the electra's and ATP's, and do all the freight.
The Classic Flight are still owned and run as a profit making venture (apparently) by Mike Collett, who was the original head of the Air Atlantique Group.
The Recon setup was bought out by it's management and now operates as "Reconnaisance Ventures Ltd" doing the MCA and coastguard operation with the big little cessnas.
Atlantic Express is curretly sat dormant.
Confused yet? I was - happy to stand corrected though. It's worth pointing out that Atlantic Airlines have just run an intake for their cadet scheme, so it'll most likely be another 4-6month before they run another one.
And don't get your hopes up - the hunter is under restoration ;-).
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Is Atlantic still accepting applications for the cadet scheme at the moment?
The scheme was brought to my attention in Pilot magazine, where it doesn't state the requirement for a Class 1 on application, as it does on the Atlantic website. If they are still entertaining applicants I'll be off down to Gatwick to be poked and prodded by the men in white coats asap.
The scheme was brought to my attention in Pilot magazine, where it doesn't state the requirement for a Class 1 on application, as it does on the Atlantic website. If they are still entertaining applicants I'll be off down to Gatwick to be poked and prodded by the men in white coats asap.
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I spotted the same add in the same mag and rang up to speak to 'Debi'. Instead I spoke to a a very friendly chap who told me she's on hols and will be back next week.
The ad also says that they require a PPL and there are only 2 places.
More to the point, I'm wondering, is how the Classic Flight makes it's money? Most of the pilot listed on the website are actually volunteers and I can't imagine that the company rakes in millions by flying at airshows etc.
I for one will be calling Debi next week as this sounds like the best flying available outside of the military!
L A
The ad also says that they require a PPL and there are only 2 places.
More to the point, I'm wondering, is how the Classic Flight makes it's money? Most of the pilot listed on the website are actually volunteers and I can't imagine that the company rakes in millions by flying at airshows etc.
I for one will be calling Debi next week as this sounds like the best flying available outside of the military!
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Mike was in the local paper iirc the other week stating CF need to take on more permanent pilots; the plan (and that is just what it is for now) is to move away from Coventry and grow the business. The two Jons seem to do the bulk of the flying at the moment.
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What is the closing date for the 2007 entry, and can someone suggest a website that lists places I can get a Class1 medical done, or will a promise that I'm clean be sufficient as they are pretty expensive.
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Luigi,
Will this be your first Class 1. If it is, you can only get it done at Gatwick. If not, and Aviation medical examiner will do-I'm sure there must be a list on the CAA website.
B
Will this be your first Class 1. If it is, you can only get it done at Gatwick. If not, and Aviation medical examiner will do-I'm sure there must be a list on the CAA website.
B
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there seems to be a lot of negativity among the flyers at the moment about getting rid of ATRs.. which i somewhat agree with
The ATRs were making a huge loss for the company. Recon helped pay the salaries during the quiet times. I can understand why some might be disappointed, but negative? Think yourself lucky you guys aren't on the heap with all the other newly qualified pilots looking for work with debts to pay. . .
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RVL Group are looking to take 2 or possibly 3 cadets starting sometime in October. The sponsorship includes 12 months duties in which time you will be expected to undertake operational duties and do lots of driving/flying jobs generally for crew positioning or aircraft maintenance purposes.
In the 1st 12 months you will also be enrolled on a distance learning ATPL course and undertake a structured hour building course in a C152 tail-wheel aircraft that is dedicated to RVL cadets - this is all part of the sponsorship.
The at the end of the 12 months duties you will complete the CPL/NQ/MEP/IR fully funded by the company. During your time as a cadet accommodation is provided and you will be paid around £400 a month.
RVL Group is the result of a management buy-out from the Air Atlantique Group so essentially applicants are applying for the old Air Atlantique sponsorship.
To apply you must meet the following criteria:
Like I said, the company want new cadets to start in about 1 months time so you got to be quick with your applications.
In the 1st 12 months you will also be enrolled on a distance learning ATPL course and undertake a structured hour building course in a C152 tail-wheel aircraft that is dedicated to RVL cadets - this is all part of the sponsorship.
The at the end of the 12 months duties you will complete the CPL/NQ/MEP/IR fully funded by the company. During your time as a cadet accommodation is provided and you will be paid around £400 a month.
RVL Group is the result of a management buy-out from the Air Atlantique Group so essentially applicants are applying for the old Air Atlantique sponsorship.
To apply you must meet the following criteria:
- Hold a valid PPL (A)
- Hold (or have held) a valid Class One JAR Medical
- Hold a valid UK driving licence
- Be aged between 18 and 25 years
- Be in possession of the right to live and work within the EU
Like I said, the company want new cadets to start in about 1 months time so you got to be quick with your applications.
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That last post has rather confused me I'm afraid, having follwed this thread with a vested interest!
The Pilot article spoke of the sponsorship as though it were for the Classic Flight part of the company, although the conversation here ranges across Atlantic Airlines, Recon, Classic Flight and Air Atlantique! Can anyone clarify which part of the company was/is making the offer?
And now the RVL Group! Is this the same sponsorship deal? If so, should those who have already applied to Debi Unwin now re-apply to Margaret Royle, or will details be passed on?
LA James, commiserations. How did you find out (post/email/'phone etc)? If you don't mind, would you mind saying what experience you have to guage what the rest of us are up against.
Thanks
The Pilot article spoke of the sponsorship as though it were for the Classic Flight part of the company, although the conversation here ranges across Atlantic Airlines, Recon, Classic Flight and Air Atlantique! Can anyone clarify which part of the company was/is making the offer?
And now the RVL Group! Is this the same sponsorship deal? If so, should those who have already applied to Debi Unwin now re-apply to Margaret Royle, or will details be passed on?
LA James, commiserations. How did you find out (post/email/'phone etc)? If you don't mind, would you mind saying what experience you have to guage what the rest of us are up against.
Thanks
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To clarify, when they say 26, do they mean.....
Up until the day you turn 26?
26 and 1/2?
or any time after your 26th birthday, but before you turn 27?
Up until the day you turn 26?
26 and 1/2?
or any time after your 26th birthday, but before you turn 27?
If it was 26 or 27 then I guess I'd have a leg to stand on. Just need the a Class 1 and then an intense PPL course in the US
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All confusing I know but to try and make it as simple as possible. Each individual company that was once part of the Air Atlantique Group has a requirement for their own cadets so they now run seperate sponsorships.
RVL Group (formally Atlantic Reconnaissance of the Air Atlantique Group now operating independantly):
Will be holding selection within the next couple of weeks and looking to take on 3 cadets. Applications to Margaret Royle and can be found on the RVL website. Upon completion of the cadetship, you will fly Cessna 310s, 402s, 404s and will be type rated on the Cessna F406 flying numerous contracts including the HM Coastguard, OSRL, Environment Agency, Ordnance Survey, MOD air taxi and so on.
Classic Flight (Still owned by Mike Collett and still trades under the name of Air Atlantique):
Applications to Debi Unwin and they are looking to take 2 cadets within the next few months. Not quite sure what they will have you flying at the end of it but will most likely be the DC3, Prentice and Twin Pin (but who ever mentioned flying the Hunter that wont happen coz its a rusty shell)
Atlantic Airlines (originally part of the Air Atlantique Group but was subject to a management buyout about 10 years ago and now like RVL, operate independantly)
Operate the Electras and ATPs doing freight work. They have recently taken on a couple of cadets so will not be taking anymore for another 6 months or so. Think the applications go to either Lucy Meardon or Ben Pinner.
I was a cadet for Air Atlantique covering duties for the whole group. I was then taken by RVL during the management buyout of Atlantic Reconnaissance to be an RVL cadet. This left the classic flight operation with no cadets to do driving jobs etc. This is why Classic flight and RVL are both advertising for cadets.
All three sponsorships require you to relocate to Coventry airport as all three companies are based in hangars situated next to each other (Hangars 5, 6 and 7) on the west side of Coventry airport.
All 3 sponsorships offer a fully funded CPL/IR and a GAURENTEED job in return for about 12 months duties as a cadet.
RVL Group (formally Atlantic Reconnaissance of the Air Atlantique Group now operating independantly):
Will be holding selection within the next couple of weeks and looking to take on 3 cadets. Applications to Margaret Royle and can be found on the RVL website. Upon completion of the cadetship, you will fly Cessna 310s, 402s, 404s and will be type rated on the Cessna F406 flying numerous contracts including the HM Coastguard, OSRL, Environment Agency, Ordnance Survey, MOD air taxi and so on.
Classic Flight (Still owned by Mike Collett and still trades under the name of Air Atlantique):
Applications to Debi Unwin and they are looking to take 2 cadets within the next few months. Not quite sure what they will have you flying at the end of it but will most likely be the DC3, Prentice and Twin Pin (but who ever mentioned flying the Hunter that wont happen coz its a rusty shell)
Atlantic Airlines (originally part of the Air Atlantique Group but was subject to a management buyout about 10 years ago and now like RVL, operate independantly)
Operate the Electras and ATPs doing freight work. They have recently taken on a couple of cadets so will not be taking anymore for another 6 months or so. Think the applications go to either Lucy Meardon or Ben Pinner.
I was a cadet for Air Atlantique covering duties for the whole group. I was then taken by RVL during the management buyout of Atlantic Reconnaissance to be an RVL cadet. This left the classic flight operation with no cadets to do driving jobs etc. This is why Classic flight and RVL are both advertising for cadets.
All three sponsorships require you to relocate to Coventry airport as all three companies are based in hangars situated next to each other (Hangars 5, 6 and 7) on the west side of Coventry airport.
All 3 sponsorships offer a fully funded CPL/IR and a GAURENTEED job in return for about 12 months duties as a cadet.
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All 3 have exactly the same requirements:
- Hold a valid PPL (A)
- Hold (or have held) a valid Class One JAR Medical
- Hold a valid UK driving licence
- Be aged between 18 and 25 years
- Be in possession of the right to live and work within the EU
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John Alcock,
Thanks for the commiserations. I found out through good old fashioned royal mail about 1 week ago. It was a very polite, in depth letter and very honest about the situation... they admitted it was a standard reply that was being sent out to "99.99%" of the candidates. It gave a very good impression of the company and the way they work.
I don't have the letter with me at the moment (ppruning from my desk at work!) but they did go into detail about the candidates they are looking for. Do you want me to post that when I'm back home tonight?
I was over ambitious and applied even though I don't have a PPL(a). I have a PPL(g) with about 30ish hrs time FW and about 14 hrs RW (all air experience flights in the ATC).
Good luck.
Regards,
L A
Thanks for the commiserations. I found out through good old fashioned royal mail about 1 week ago. It was a very polite, in depth letter and very honest about the situation... they admitted it was a standard reply that was being sent out to "99.99%" of the candidates. It gave a very good impression of the company and the way they work.
I don't have the letter with me at the moment (ppruning from my desk at work!) but they did go into detail about the candidates they are looking for. Do you want me to post that when I'm back home tonight?
I was over ambitious and applied even though I don't have a PPL(a). I have a PPL(g) with about 30ish hrs time FW and about 14 hrs RW (all air experience flights in the ATC).
Good luck.
Regards,
L A