After 3 months of looking got my first airline job.... AND I TURNED IT DOWN
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Well done for having the balls to turn the job down. If more pilots did it then T & C's will improve and airlines would have to pay out themselves.
Unfortunatly CTC is effectivly the same thing, If nobody went there then airlines would have to recruit directly pay the type rating and pay their recruits decent money. However as it seems unlikley that inexperienced guys are not going to turn down the chance of working on a jet for peanuts for 6 months then you might as well go for it.
It took me 5 years from finishing my ATPL to secure my first airline job. Even without sept 11th it would have been 3 1/2. So don't give up. I believe some one was doing poll to see how long the average guy/girl takes. 18 months seems to be the norm.
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Unfortunatly CTC is effectivly the same thing, If nobody went there then airlines would have to recruit directly pay the type rating and pay their recruits decent money. However as it seems unlikley that inexperienced guys are not going to turn down the chance of working on a jet for peanuts for 6 months then you might as well go for it.
It took me 5 years from finishing my ATPL to secure my first airline job. Even without sept 11th it would have been 3 1/2. So don't give up. I believe some one was doing poll to see how long the average guy/girl takes. 18 months seems to be the norm.
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Looks to me your not only paying for the TR, the "pool" thing is anybody's best guess.
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--------We are pleased to invite you to our pilot recruitment day at the Holiday Inn Hotel at Runcorn on Thursday 25th August commencing at 0900hrs local. Directions are attached.
During this open day we will tell you more about the operations of Emerald Airways and you will have the opportunity to ask any questions that are relevant to the position you are seeking.
The format of the open day will be a company presentation lasting for up to an hour followed by open question time and completed by way of individual interviews of approximately 15 minutes each. These 15 minute time slots will be allocated on the day.
You will need to bring with you your licence, MCC certificate, log books etc to back up the information supplied with your CV.
The reason for this open day is that we are looking to increase our pool of First Officers on all three fleets for varying bases throughout the UK and Europe. An MCC Course Certificate is essential for all posts. It is expected that those looking to join the BAe 748 fleet will be recruited first with courses for the BAe ATP scheduled for October and November of this year.
Emerald Airways operates a self-sponsored type rating system for all new FO's, the costs of which are outlined below.
BAE ATP £11,000
BAe 748 £10,000
SHORTS SD3-60 £9,000
The course costs include all ground-school training and examination fees as well as all flight training including the LST. In addition the First Aid training, Aviation Security and Dangerous Air Cargo training, Fire and Smoke training and CRM training is covered in these costs. Accommodation if required is not covered in the cost of the course.
Please respond ASAP if you are not able to attend.
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letter,
--------We are pleased to invite you to our pilot recruitment day at the Holiday Inn Hotel at Runcorn on Thursday 25th August commencing at 0900hrs local. Directions are attached.
During this open day we will tell you more about the operations of Emerald Airways and you will have the opportunity to ask any questions that are relevant to the position you are seeking.
The format of the open day will be a company presentation lasting for up to an hour followed by open question time and completed by way of individual interviews of approximately 15 minutes each. These 15 minute time slots will be allocated on the day.
You will need to bring with you your licence, MCC certificate, log books etc to back up the information supplied with your CV.
The reason for this open day is that we are looking to increase our pool of First Officers on all three fleets for varying bases throughout the UK and Europe. An MCC Course Certificate is essential for all posts. It is expected that those looking to join the BAe 748 fleet will be recruited first with courses for the BAe ATP scheduled for October and November of this year.
Emerald Airways operates a self-sponsored type rating system for all new FO's, the costs of which are outlined below.
BAE ATP £11,000
BAe 748 £10,000
SHORTS SD3-60 £9,000
The course costs include all ground-school training and examination fees as well as all flight training including the LST. In addition the First Aid training, Aviation Security and Dangerous Air Cargo training, Fire and Smoke training and CRM training is covered in these costs. Accommodation if required is not covered in the cost of the course.
Please respond ASAP if you are not able to attend.
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Hi All
How about working there for a year getting some multi time/hours and move on to some better operator.
I understand the aircrafts are no future but the 20,000 plus weight rating will add a shine to the CV.
I may seem inclined towards Emerald but like everybody else it will be my first job if offered.
Ice
How about working there for a year getting some multi time/hours and move on to some better operator.
I understand the aircrafts are no future but the 20,000 plus weight rating will add a shine to the CV.
I may seem inclined towards Emerald but like everybody else it will be my first job if offered.
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I'm not in a position to tell you what a job is and what not, but do you believe that maybe waiting in a poole for months after you already paid for your own TR , and maybe be put to work part time after that is a job? I would say that if you pay 10 or 11k in pounds for a TR that you can not use anywhere else, the least you can ask for is to start flying what you just PAID for.
I'm sorry, i get more and more upset every time i see that there is no limit to what some poeple are willing to put up with.
Without turning this into a self funding discussion, i hope that poeple who jump on the first opportunity they see, without any regard to the conditions, understand what they are doing to the industry in the long term.
I have very little faith that some of you will wake up,instead of working the fuel truck or taking any other job out there ,will try to force there way in without thinking about anybody else, and maybe do a lot more damage to this industry then you would feel good about if you really knew how much it was!
I'm not in a position to tell you what a job is and what not, but do you believe that maybe waiting in a poole for months after you already paid for your own TR , and maybe be put to work part time after that is a job? I would say that if you pay 10 or 11k in pounds for a TR that you can not use anywhere else, the least you can ask for is to start flying what you just PAID for.
I'm sorry, i get more and more upset every time i see that there is no limit to what some poeple are willing to put up with.
Without turning this into a self funding discussion, i hope that poeple who jump on the first opportunity they see, without any regard to the conditions, understand what they are doing to the industry in the long term.
I have very little faith that some of you will wake up,instead of working the fuel truck or taking any other job out there ,will try to force there way in without thinking about anybody else, and maybe do a lot more damage to this industry then you would feel good about if you really knew how much it was!
Jesus wept! That shower want you to pay for the Fire, Dangerous goods, etc as well. Stuff that any decent company gives you because it's the law. I'm surprised you don't have to bring your own bogroll, teacup and ream of paper for the copier, as well. It just goes to show, FR didn't start the trend of ripping off pilots, Emerald are way ahead of them on that!
You made a good decision. Let scammers like Emerald rot.
regards
TDD
You made a good decision. Let scammers like Emerald rot.
regards
TDD
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I get the point
Thanks everybody
I understand ur point and i share the same opinion.
The airlines should invest in people like they do in any other sector and should not manipulate them just because they are desperate.
I think I will go there to attend the interview and put this point across. May be this moves the stone a bit.
Ice
I understand ur point and i share the same opinion.
The airlines should invest in people like they do in any other sector and should not manipulate them just because they are desperate.
I think I will go there to attend the interview and put this point across. May be this moves the stone a bit.
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Say Again Slowly
Get your facts straight before you post your rubbish and scaremongering here.
Three of the sheds are for sale, as they were during your unproductive time with the company.
Emerald have gained a several new contracts recently.
Get your facts straight before you post your rubbish and scaremongering here.
Three of the sheds are for sale, as they were during your unproductive time with the company.
Emerald have gained a several new contracts recently.
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So it's suddenly changed to only 3 for sale? Or was it 3 all along?
Good. I rather hoped that none of my ex-colleagues would be in the cr*p.
As for rubbish and scaremongering, have a look at the post in the Freight Dogs section. If you know who put that info up originally, you wouldn't doubt its validity. Why would he have put the info up now if they had been for sale for a long period?
Just a quick question, how many of them are worth buying?
Unproductive? Moi? I think you're confusing me with rostering!
Good. I rather hoped that none of my ex-colleagues would be in the cr*p.
As for rubbish and scaremongering, have a look at the post in the Freight Dogs section. If you know who put that info up originally, you wouldn't doubt its validity. Why would he have put the info up now if they had been for sale for a long period?
Just a quick question, how many of them are worth buying?
Unproductive? Moi? I think you're confusing me with rostering!
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Emerald are very good at gaining contracts...its holding onto them that are the problem.
Similar situation with staff they have a very high turnover....
Reason being as soon as you realise what you have let yourself in for you know its only a matter of time before you go onto pastures new.
In all my years I have never worked for a more poorly run organisation ever and thats saying something.
Crews and engineers great...rest of em cant do there job for toffee
all IMO of course :-)
Similar situation with staff they have a very high turnover....
Reason being as soon as you realise what you have let yourself in for you know its only a matter of time before you go onto pastures new.
In all my years I have never worked for a more poorly run organisation ever and thats saying something.
Crews and engineers great...rest of em cant do there job for toffee
all IMO of course :-)
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Air Mail (sorry,MOB)
Interesting reply. Before you attack other people, you should tell the whole story. Perhaps, if you are being honest, you should actually point out that the website says that there are a choice of 10 Sheds. Thats the whole fleet.
Further several of these are permanently grounded and no longer airworthy.
So what Emerald's website says isn't actually true, is it?
Apart from the willingness of the company to rip people off for training on a fleet that might not exist soon, you have to wonder about the job security of those remaining. The company previously refused to let any crews transfer off the Sheds onto the ATP unless they paid over £10,000 for it.
For new starters, it could be a case of losing your job on the Sheds when they are sold or paying another 10k for an ATP rating.
An ATR rating would be a much better deal I think. At least they are still in production.
Say Again Slowly.
Get your facts straight before you post your rubbish and scaremongering here.
Three of the sheds are for sale, as they were during your unproductive time with the company.
Get your facts straight before you post your rubbish and scaremongering here.
Three of the sheds are for sale, as they were during your unproductive time with the company.
Further several of these are permanently grounded and no longer airworthy.
So what Emerald's website says isn't actually true, is it?
Apart from the willingness of the company to rip people off for training on a fleet that might not exist soon, you have to wonder about the job security of those remaining. The company previously refused to let any crews transfer off the Sheds onto the ATP unless they paid over £10,000 for it.
For new starters, it could be a case of losing your job on the Sheds when they are sold or paying another 10k for an ATP rating.
An ATR rating would be a much better deal I think. At least they are still in production.
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I think I will go there to attend the interview and put this point across.
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"hazenhoe" posted that this"Interview" was taking place on the 25th August.
Where did you move the "stone" , hope you did not sign any off the B.S. contracts
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I think I will go there to attend the interview and put this point across.
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"hazenhoe" posted that this"Interview" was taking place on the 25th August.
Where did you move the "stone" , hope you did not sign any off the B.S. contracts
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I went there
Hi
I went there and CEO said:
1. They ask for the TR to be paid by the individual so that he can stay a bit longer owing to there high turn over.
2. Its a norm for the low cost operators to do this due to the nature of the business.
My question:
Do you want to wait for the first jet job and then pay £20,000+ for the TR (In most of the cases nowadays)? or
Gain some experience to make yourself valuable so that you can be employed by bigger operators to get TR free.
The industry is all about timing and employability which are very sensitive to the things happening all around the World.
I will wait what they say and then look at the broader picture to evaluate my situation.
Thanks
Ice Magna
I went there and CEO said:
1. They ask for the TR to be paid by the individual so that he can stay a bit longer owing to there high turn over.
2. Its a norm for the low cost operators to do this due to the nature of the business.
My question:
Do you want to wait for the first jet job and then pay £20,000+ for the TR (In most of the cases nowadays)? or
Gain some experience to make yourself valuable so that you can be employed by bigger operators to get TR free.
The industry is all about timing and employability which are very sensitive to the things happening all around the World.
I will wait what they say and then look at the broader picture to evaluate my situation.
Thanks
Ice Magna
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this company has contacted me 1 year ago.
I turned it down too.
I had to pay my type rating, with no guarantee.
It sounded to me they wanted make some cash from me.
they have not replied to my emails.So why should I bother???
I turned it down too.
I had to pay my type rating, with no guarantee.
It sounded to me they wanted make some cash from me.
they have not replied to my emails.So why should I bother???
