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im sure baz at BGS would have something to say about you using your "Plastic Brain" on the job!
Then again, my calculator started fading half way through my Radio Nav exam - wanted to cry!
Then again, my calculator started fading half way through my Radio Nav exam - wanted to cry!
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References
Hi all, I've run a search for this and didn't show anything up so hopefully one of you can help. I'm just wondering whether anyone who has been through selection could tell me at what stage did CTC request references from the two named referees we all had to provide? Is when you submit online or is it after one of the later stages of selection?
Cheers if you can help.
Cheers if you can help.
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Ah Baz, total legend! Yes he would have something to say about that but as my wiz wheel has been banished from my flight bag it's the only option!
Radio nav...???? Uggh.......
waxy, they do it at the end, after stage 4 if it's all gone well, one of the final things that gets done prior to Nz
WBV
Radio nav...???? Uggh.......
waxy, they do it at the end, after stage 4 if it's all gone well, one of the final things that gets done prior to Nz
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Baz is a good lad, but I can think of few quicker ways of losing kudos at work than pulling out the trusty whiz wheel. FMC forever!
Waxy they will also ask you if it is ok to contact your referees' before doing so - at least thats the way it used to be.
WBV I know who you are HA HA HA HA HA erm,...
Hope it's all going well down in friendly Luton
Waxy they will also ask you if it is ok to contact your referees' before doing so - at least thats the way it used to be.
WBV I know who you are HA HA HA HA HA erm,...
Hope it's all going well down in friendly Luton
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I bet you do old boy, few secrets around here! Yup still enjoying smacking the 73 off the wonderfully undulating runway that is luton, they're getting better though.........
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Reduced Salary when joining an airline?
Can anyone tell me if CTC pilots enter the airlines at full FO pay or if they start on a reduced salary?
I am talking once the 6 months Line Experience Phase is complete.
Is it the same for the Cadet and ATP routes?
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SW
I am talking once the 6 months Line Experience Phase is complete.
Is it the same for the Cadet and ATP routes?
Cheers
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I thought the £1k only went on for the 6 months of line experience. How long does it go on for?
Does the same apply to ATP students. Obviously ATP cadets don't have a loan to repay as such. More confused than ever now
Does the same apply to ATP students. Obviously ATP cadets don't have a loan to repay as such. More confused than ever now
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Right lets see if I can make some sense:
This is for the cadet scheme, and I would say the most common way of financing as well:
You take out a bond for 60,000 pounds from HSBC. This gets given to CTC. You then go through all your training and start with an airline. After 6 months line training you then start getting paid a salary by the airline. (I believe you may get £1000 a month during line training by CTC).
This is where the bond repayment starts! They repay the bond at a rate of £1,000 a month for 7 years, as this is effectively your money there is no income tax on this so this is on top of any salary that you are going to get. It works out to more than 60k to cover the interest on the loan. Easyjet starting salary is about 21k with about 4k of sector pay on top.
If you completely ignore the bond then (as long as you work for them for 7 years) you effectively get the training for free with a starting salary of 25k.
If you leave the airline before that time I believe all you have to do is continue making the 1000 a month loan repayments but you will now have to start paying it out of your net salary after the taxman has taken a half decent slice out of it.
Not sure about ATP funding tho to be honest, sorry!
This is for the cadet scheme, and I would say the most common way of financing as well:
You take out a bond for 60,000 pounds from HSBC. This gets given to CTC. You then go through all your training and start with an airline. After 6 months line training you then start getting paid a salary by the airline. (I believe you may get £1000 a month during line training by CTC).
This is where the bond repayment starts! They repay the bond at a rate of £1,000 a month for 7 years, as this is effectively your money there is no income tax on this so this is on top of any salary that you are going to get. It works out to more than 60k to cover the interest on the loan. Easyjet starting salary is about 21k with about 4k of sector pay on top.
If you completely ignore the bond then (as long as you work for them for 7 years) you effectively get the training for free with a starting salary of 25k.
If you leave the airline before that time I believe all you have to do is continue making the 1000 a month loan repayments but you will now have to start paying it out of your net salary after the taxman has taken a half decent slice out of it.
Not sure about ATP funding tho to be honest, sorry!
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That's the detailed version of what i was trying to say! lol.
If you are taken on through CTC, you are on a "cadet salary". I think this applies to all employees currently on an FATPL?? Once you have the hours and are appointed as a F/O, then you get the F/O salary? That would make sense, anyway!
If so, CTC (or other) cadets, would seem to be better off as their bond/loan repayments are "tax free"?
If you are taken on through CTC, you are on a "cadet salary". I think this applies to all employees currently on an FATPL?? Once you have the hours and are appointed as a F/O, then you get the F/O salary? That would make sense, anyway!
If so, CTC (or other) cadets, would seem to be better off as their bond/loan repayments are "tax free"?
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I'm not sure if the cadet salary stops once you "have the hours". Are you implying once you hit 1500 hours you then suddenly jump from cadet salary to Direct Entry salary? I was of the opinion the cadet salary (approx 5-8k less than the corresponding Direct Entry salary for each year) lasts for the duration of the loan repayment, i.e. 7 years. Simply because, after that you have nothing to lose by jumping ship and in order to keep you on they have to match your salary, where as before you were receiving an incentive by having the £1k towards loan repayment tax free and they could offer you a reduced salary.
This is why it's not a sponsorship at all, but those who get on to the scheme benefit from a training regime that is supposed to be the best. And the course still provides the best method of getting yourself a paid flying job with an airline at the end.
This is why it's not a sponsorship at all, but those who get on to the scheme benefit from a training regime that is supposed to be the best. And the course still provides the best method of getting yourself a paid flying job with an airline at the end.
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Yep you're on the cadet salary for 7 years, however this does increase each year and if you are promoted during that time as well.
Take a look at:
http://www.easyjet.co.uk/EN/Jobs/Pil...hipscheme.html
Scroll down a bit and it will tell you the current salaries for F/O (fATPL) - Senior F/O (ATPL) - and Captain all on the cadet scale.
Take a look at:
http://www.easyjet.co.uk/EN/Jobs/Pil...hipscheme.html
Scroll down a bit and it will tell you the current salaries for F/O (fATPL) - Senior F/O (ATPL) - and Captain all on the cadet scale.
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Also the Thomas Cook website details Cadet salaries for years 1-7.
If anyone does know the syestem for ATP candidates some of us would be most interested - this doesn't seem to be as well publicised by CTC and it's clients.
If anyone does know the syestem for ATP candidates some of us would be most interested - this doesn't seem to be as well publicised by CTC and it's clients.
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Messing up my GCSE's
I like many others have encountered a small set back and what better place to ask for some advice. When at school I explored many other things rather than studying, and realised to late the way i was heading. After a point in the right direction i picked my self up and never looked back. I’ve just graduated with a 2:1 in physics and math’s and relieved to finally continue my dream career. However my results in English language and literature at GCSE (D) were below par. I realise that the minimum requirements state grade C to be obtained, however I have consistently proved my English ability throughout 'A' Levels and Degree?.
I would very much appreciate some of your thoughts as have found all previous posts very informative.
Many thanks
I would very much appreciate some of your thoughts as have found all previous posts very informative.
Many thanks
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I was exactly the same in terms of those crucial school years.. wasn't till I left that I got more focussed.
I reckon you'll be fine Sveno's. I think the mimimum A-level grades when I applied to the Wings scheme were two Cs - I applied with a B and D, and a subsequent 2:1 in my degree and I got through to Stage 2.. so go for it!
I reckon you'll be fine Sveno's. I think the mimimum A-level grades when I applied to the Wings scheme were two Cs - I applied with a B and D, and a subsequent 2:1 in my degree and I got through to Stage 2.. so go for it!
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Self assessment
Does anyone have any suggestions about the self assessment forms at the end of the group exercises in stage 3? Now I'm not one to blow my own trumpet too hard, nor am I a self loathing Goth, and I hate writing long self appraisals so am I doomed?! In the large scale of things are these forms important or just to check you're not a complete egotist? When I did my unsuccessful stage 3 I always finished first amongst my group and while I managed a few lines per question the others were writing essay style answers with methods, conclusions etc...
I have my stage 3 're-sit' in September and I'm interested to hear from those in the know.
FLAC
I have my stage 3 're-sit' in September and I'm interested to hear from those in the know.
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Revisit Finance Questions
Phew, read all 38 pages and still have an unanswered question!
With regard to finances, what is the position of those that have just left Uni? The idea of a student loan to pay off, and then chuck a 65k+ debt on top of that sounds a tad concerning! Should be possible, and hasn't put me off applying.
On a more selection related topic, how do they view experience that has been gained on Flight Sims? While it can make you look like a computer
, and is in some respects very different from life, the modern versions are in fact scarily true-to-life, and I am wondering if that is something worth mentioning? Having started flying online (VATSIM for those that are familiar) where everything is as close to life as possible, and as such I have taught myself radio procedures, navigation, ATC procedures (with live controllers) and advanced flight planning. I am sure most people will have done this at some point, but do you advise mentioning it in an application?
Cheers, and what a helpful (if repetative) thread!
DCF
With regard to finances, what is the position of those that have just left Uni? The idea of a student loan to pay off, and then chuck a 65k+ debt on top of that sounds a tad concerning! Should be possible, and hasn't put me off applying.
On a more selection related topic, how do they view experience that has been gained on Flight Sims? While it can make you look like a computer
, and is in some respects very different from life, the modern versions are in fact scarily true-to-life, and I am wondering if that is something worth mentioning? Having started flying online (VATSIM for those that are familiar) where everything is as close to life as possible, and as such I have taught myself radio procedures, navigation, ATC procedures (with live controllers) and advanced flight planning. I am sure most people will have done this at some point, but do you advise mentioning it in an application?Cheers, and what a helpful (if repetative) thread!
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I would think not. Although I am aware that certain add-ons such as the LevelD 767, PMDG 737 & 744 and the PSS Buses are very accurate from a systems point of view and the VATSIM ATC is also very accurate I don't think it will score you any points with a selection panel, it could just make you look like a
You could put a very short bit in your application form as a hobby but remember they'd be more impressed by outdoor activities and team sports than they would by someone saying they sit in front of a PC for 9 hours to conduct real time transatlantic virtual flights.
All the best
SW
I would think not. Although I am aware that certain add-ons such as the LevelD 767, PMDG 737 & 744 and the PSS Buses are very accurate from a systems point of view and the VATSIM ATC is also very accurate I don't think it will score you any points with a selection panel, it could just make you look like a
You could put a very short bit in your application form as a hobby but remember they'd be more impressed by outdoor activities and team sports than they would by someone saying they sit in front of a PC for 9 hours to conduct real time transatlantic virtual flights.
All the best
SW