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Merci bien.
Actually I have a fATPL with around 1200 hrs on the A320. I am thinking of applying somewhere next summer as I`m doing my CCQ A330 for now. I studied at uni et je suis un petit belge.
Which of these `schools` do you recommend in my case ?
any idea where I can learn more specific `aviation French` ? good books/tapes/... ? (Im based in LGW) I haven`t spoken French for a while now.
I know it is really hard to get into AF as being non-French, but I want to give it a shot at least.
My dream is to retire somewhere in the South of France you see....
hastalavista baby,
Rogi
Actually I have a fATPL with around 1200 hrs on the A320. I am thinking of applying somewhere next summer as I`m doing my CCQ A330 for now. I studied at uni et je suis un petit belge.
Which of these `schools` do you recommend in my case ?
any idea where I can learn more specific `aviation French` ? good books/tapes/... ? (Im based in LGW) I haven`t spoken French for a while now.
I know it is really hard to get into AF as being non-French, but I want to give it a shot at least.
My dream is to retire somewhere in the South of France you see....
hastalavista baby,
Rogi
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Skydriller is indeed correct about it being cheaper in France than in the UK to get the PPL.
Sorry, I was talking about doing it in the US.
French aeroclubs are lovely places......I particularly like Aeroclub de Grand Lyon
Sorry, I was talking about doing it in the US.
French aeroclubs are lovely places......I particularly like Aeroclub de Grand Lyon
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Hey Rogi.
I am glad to see i am not the only"Petit Belge" among the french community. The problem with us Belgian we obviously cannot speak any language properly but we speak few of them so we can fit almost everywhere.
A bientot.
I am glad to see i am not the only"Petit Belge" among the french community. The problem with us Belgian we obviously cannot speak any language properly but we speak few of them so we can fit almost everywhere.
A bientot.
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quote " im hoping to go to an English speaking college in Pau next year "
That is not precisely the wise option if you want to start a career in a competitve business in France (or in any country) Best thing to do : go to a french high school or college, then to a local University or "classes preparatoires" so you somewhat become "french" - and then it's up to you. Thousands of british nationals have been doing that before...
Just be advised the level of mathematics in french schools is a little bit higher than in the english-speaking world (I'm talking by experience, having commuted between both worlds for many years)
France can be compared to Russia, with a strong emphasis on "pure"mathematics, when in the anglo-saxon world it's more practical, down-to-earth and business-orientated (statistics and so on)
For that reason, the french theoretical ATPL is more "technical" -read difficult - than the british one (not even mentioning the irish or the american...)
That is not precisely the wise option if you want to start a career in a competitve business in France (or in any country) Best thing to do : go to a french high school or college, then to a local University or "classes preparatoires" so you somewhat become "french" - and then it's up to you. Thousands of british nationals have been doing that before...
Just be advised the level of mathematics in french schools is a little bit higher than in the english-speaking world (I'm talking by experience, having commuted between both worlds for many years)
France can be compared to Russia, with a strong emphasis on "pure"mathematics, when in the anglo-saxon world it's more practical, down-to-earth and business-orientated (statistics and so on)
For that reason, the french theoretical ATPL is more "technical" -read difficult - than the british one (not even mentioning the irish or the american...)
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Hi,
Got a question for anyone who flies professionally in France having obtained their ATPL in a JAR member state other than France.
I'm Airbus 320 rated with 3000 hrs and a UK JAR ATPL. I speak fluent French due to having been brought up here and there and having a French mother.
Could I apply to a French airline (say Air France for example!) with my UK JAR ATPL? I suppose not. How easy is it to convert? Is it just admin and a bit of cash? What about the type rating? Thanks for any info.
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Got a question for anyone who flies professionally in France having obtained their ATPL in a JAR member state other than France.
I'm Airbus 320 rated with 3000 hrs and a UK JAR ATPL. I speak fluent French due to having been brought up here and there and having a French mother.
Could I apply to a French airline (say Air France for example!) with my UK JAR ATPL? I suppose not. How easy is it to convert? Is it just admin and a bit of cash? What about the type rating? Thanks for any info.
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You will get a letter from the Compagnie ( AF dont know for sure about the other ) asking you get in touch about your License with the French DGAC.
Good luck !
et bons vents
Good luck !
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It should be fairly easy to transfer your UK CAA JAR to the French DGAC JAR. If I am not mistaken the requirements set forth by the CAA to transfer a non-UK JAR license to the UK JAR should be the same for the French. Check the caa site LASORS section.
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Hi Scott, being a mancunian taking A levels myself, i can relate to your situation in a way 
. I am doing Maths, Chemistry, Biology and Psychology. I am what i would class as GCSE fluent in french 
. I intend to work for a large commercial airline myself in the near future, and i definatly think that you should ignore the negative comments from people on here. Nothing is impossible, if you become fluent in french, and hold the minimum enterance criteria, you have a good chance!
As for the negative posters, i can guess that they:-
A) Don't hold any form of pilots license
B) Think they are the "oracle", but really know nothing.
C) are working for a really bad airline/charter company, and wish they had better jobs. like working for AF
D) They are intending on applying to AF, and don't want the competition.
Go for it, Don't let anybody put you off.
Danny
. I am doing Maths, Chemistry, Biology and Psychology. I am what i would class as GCSE fluent in french . I intend to work for a large commercial airline myself in the near future, and i definatly think that you should ignore the negative comments from people on here. Nothing is impossible, if you become fluent in french, and hold the minimum enterance criteria, you have a good chance!As for the negative posters, i can guess that they:-
A) Don't hold any form of pilots license
B) Think they are the "oracle", but really know nothing.
C) are working for a really bad airline/charter company, and wish they had better jobs. like working for AF
D) They are intending on applying to AF, and don't want the competition
.Go for it, Don't let anybody put you off
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Danny,if you had some contact with some of the pompous elitist guys that work for AF (don't believe me? ask a non AF french pilot), you would perhaps begin to appreciate that you are being just un petit peu niave in that assessment, malheureusement.
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C'est vrai faut pas généraliser. Cela étant dit certains pilotes AF n'essaient même pas de cacher le fait qu'ils sont, comment dire... un peu cons
par exemple l'autre jour sur la fréquence de Brest controle, y'a un type d'AF qui engueulait un controleur sur son anglais. Genre "on dit pas ça comme ça il faut dire comme ça" etc. C'est la premiere fois que j'entends un pilote faire de telles réflexion, sur une fréquence qui était de surcroît déjà pas mal saturée. En plus le type avait tort.
autre exemple une nouvelle fois entendu sur Brest controle:
contrôleur: "AF machin chose descendez niveau 220"
pilote : "on peut s'avoir pourquoi?"
controleur: "cause traffic et vous passez avec Paris sur truc bidule"
pilote: "ouais mais ça nous fait descendre vachement bas et je vous fait remarquer que ça nous fait consommer plus de carburant pour votre information"
controleur: "AF machinchose descendez immédiatement niveau 220 et vous expédiez à travers le 260, passez avec paris, et pour votre gouverne vous deviez être au niveau tant déja car c'est une contrainte pour le secteur suivant"
Premiere fois également que j'entends un pilote critiquer sur la fréquence des instructions du contôle.
Je suis d'accord pour ne pas génraliser, mais les pilotes AF sont les SEULS à ce permettre ce genre de choses. Cela dit ils font moins les malins quand ils passent avec Londres
par exemple l'autre jour sur la fréquence de Brest controle, y'a un type d'AF qui engueulait un controleur sur son anglais. Genre "on dit pas ça comme ça il faut dire comme ça" etc. C'est la premiere fois que j'entends un pilote faire de telles réflexion, sur une fréquence qui était de surcroît déjà pas mal saturée. En plus le type avait tort.
autre exemple une nouvelle fois entendu sur Brest controle:
contrôleur: "AF machin chose descendez niveau 220"
pilote : "on peut s'avoir pourquoi?"
controleur: "cause traffic et vous passez avec Paris sur truc bidule"
pilote: "ouais mais ça nous fait descendre vachement bas et je vous fait remarquer que ça nous fait consommer plus de carburant pour votre information"
controleur: "AF machinchose descendez immédiatement niveau 220 et vous expédiez à travers le 260, passez avec paris, et pour votre gouverne vous deviez être au niveau tant déja car c'est une contrainte pour le secteur suivant"
Premiere fois également que j'entends un pilote critiquer sur la fréquence des instructions du contôle.
Je suis d'accord pour ne pas génraliser, mais les pilotes AF sont les SEULS à ce permettre ce genre de choses. Cela dit ils font moins les malins quand ils passent avec Londres
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Rogi,
Learn french during summer,and if you are really serious about getting a job at AF,join UNi and go for Maths SUP then next year Maths SPE.Then you have a chance to pass their selections.
Just 2 years
oh and good luck
Learn french during summer,and if you are really serious about getting a job at AF,join UNi and go for Maths SUP then next year Maths SPE.Then you have a chance to pass their selections.
Just 2 years
oh and good luck
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étant donné qu'il y a plus ou moins 4000 pilotes à AF, c'est plus que possible qu'il y ait aussi des cons, comme un peu partout dans la société.
Mais il faut que je reconnaisse que contrairement à ce qu'on croit, il y a à AF moins de "protagonistes" et d'egos surdeveloppés que dans toutes les compagnies privées où j'ai eu l'honneur de travailler. La plupart des PNT sont des bons joueurs d'équipe, agréables et professionnels (AF invéstit beaucoup au niveau Facteurs Humains).
Juger la catégorie par un ou deux cons qu'on a eu l'occasion de croiser ne rend pas justice à la grande majorité.
étant donné qu'il y a plus ou moins 4000 pilotes à AF, c'est plus que possible qu'il y ait aussi des cons, comme un peu partout dans la société.
Mais il faut que je reconnaisse que contrairement à ce qu'on croit, il y a à AF moins de "protagonistes" et d'egos surdeveloppés que dans toutes les compagnies privées où j'ai eu l'honneur de travailler. La plupart des PNT sont des bons joueurs d'équipe, agréables et professionnels (AF invéstit beaucoup au niveau Facteurs Humains).
Juger la catégorie par un ou deux cons qu'on a eu l'occasion de croiser ne rend pas justice à la grande majorité.
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thanks for the advice boingboingdriver,
I am taking French class in January, but I cant see why I should take mathematics.
I studied 4 years at uni, and I had quit a lot of maths before that already. Why would I need maths ? are their tests that difficult ??
What is the situation at AF these days actually ? have they been recruiting recently ?
I am taking French class in January, but I cant see why I should take mathematics.
I studied 4 years at uni, and I had quit a lot of maths before that already. Why would I need maths ? are their tests that difficult ??
What is the situation at AF these days actually ? have they been recruiting recently ?
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Hi i am french!
So if you want any information about AF, I'll help you.
AF recruit 200 pilots all the year.
200 include : 60 cadets, it is like in UK, so you call this "cadet sponsoship".
and recruit 140 pilot with a JAA ATPL(CPL/IR ME) no MCC!
There are not maths! just psychotecnic test (logique,) but there is a french test you must read a text and answer at 30 questions in 30 minutes!
If you get an ATPL theory, you can apply.
If not, you must to do studies for exemple math sup or university in science.
You should see their site :
devenirpiloteairfrance.com
If you get a ATPL JAA theory with CPL/IR ME, you can apply for pilot pro. "Pilot Pro" is a die (i don't know how to explain...) it is not "cadets" because you allready have got a CPL/IR.
The selection Air France is famous for his dificult in France. it is not easy because they judge you if you have the profile of pilot or not.
re moi!
j\'ecris en français.
Donc voilà si vous avez des questions n\'hésitez pas je me suis renseigné sur AF, car je tente la sélection en 2007 après mon ATPL théorique fini.
Donc si vous parlez français, pas de problème! si vous avec un ATPL JAA pas de problème!
ATTENTION : si vous avez plus de 23ans et que vous voulez postuler en filière professionnelle c\'est à dire qu\'il faut que vous ayez l\'atpl et le CPL/IR ME, alors il vous faudra attendre 5 ans avant d\'être convoqué à la sélection ! oui 5 ans! car il y a du monde qui se présente à la sélection.
So if you want any information about AF, I'll help you.
AF recruit 200 pilots all the year.
200 include : 60 cadets, it is like in UK, so you call this "cadet sponsoship".
and recruit 140 pilot with a JAA ATPL(CPL/IR ME) no MCC!
There are not maths! just psychotecnic test (logique,) but there is a french test you must read a text and answer at 30 questions in 30 minutes!
If you get an ATPL theory, you can apply.
If not, you must to do studies for exemple math sup or university in science.
You should see their site :
devenirpiloteairfrance.com
If you get a ATPL JAA theory with CPL/IR ME, you can apply for pilot pro. "Pilot Pro" is a die (i don't know how to explain...) it is not "cadets" because you allready have got a CPL/IR.
The selection Air France is famous for his dificult in France. it is not easy because they judge you if you have the profile of pilot or not.
re moi!
j\'ecris en français.
Donc voilà si vous avez des questions n\'hésitez pas je me suis renseigné sur AF, car je tente la sélection en 2007 après mon ATPL théorique fini.
Donc si vous parlez français, pas de problème! si vous avec un ATPL JAA pas de problème!
ATTENTION : si vous avez plus de 23ans et que vous voulez postuler en filière professionnelle c\'est à dire qu\'il faut que vous ayez l\'atpl et le CPL/IR ME, alors il vous faudra attendre 5 ans avant d\'être convoqué à la sélection ! oui 5 ans! car il y a du monde qui se présente à la sélection.
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Juger la catégorie par un ou deux cons qu'on a eu l'occasion de croiser ne rend pas justice à la grande majorité.
Apparement malgré leur programme CRM top niveau y'a encore des investissements à faire
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"AF recruit 200 pilots all the year.
200 include : 60 cadets, it is like in UK, so you call this "cadet sponsoship".
and recruit 140 pilot with a JAA ATPL(CPL/IR ME) no MCC!"
not exactly : AF recruits 200 pilots a year, ok,
but there are at the moment around 40 Cadets and 40 pilots from the ENAC in this 200. So that makes 120, minus military pilots, I can't remember how much.
Donc Air France prend effectivement 200 pilotes par an, mais en comptant 40 kd, 40 EPL et les militaires.
200 include : 60 cadets, it is like in UK, so you call this "cadet sponsoship".
and recruit 140 pilot with a JAA ATPL(CPL/IR ME) no MCC!"
not exactly : AF recruits 200 pilots a year, ok,
but there are at the moment around 40 Cadets and 40 pilots from the ENAC in this 200. So that makes 120, minus military pilots, I can't remember how much.
Donc Air France prend effectivement 200 pilotes par an, mais en comptant 40 kd, 40 EPL et les militaires.
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ouai c'est ça.
Mais quand tu passes les pros tu es avec des EPL auss et les militaires. Et ce ne sont pas les meilleurs. Je connais quelqu'un qui a été pris alors des militaire on été ajournés...
C'est une sélection et non un concours.
Mais quand tu passes les pros tu es avec des EPL auss et les militaires. Et ce ne sont pas les meilleurs. Je connais quelqu'un qui a été pris alors des militaire on été ajournés...
C'est une sélection et non un concours.
