LIGHTS ARE OUT
 

Hello

Think there will be 2/3 in downstairs today but no-one in Ops. KPMG still on site for now as the decision on the sale of the business is due very soon and they better be there for the rest of the week as I will need Insurance docs signing off!!!

It's all a bit of a do ........... and unnecessary, considering some of the capers at other Airlines which seem to go unnoticed.:rolleyes:

The sale of the business has more or less been decided and it hasnt gone the way that the former proprietors would have liked.

I imagine the Shorts fleet will still plod away with some of the other UK operators, but I imagine that most of the fleet will be sold off around the world.

Why is anyone still at LPL ? Hope you havent been fed a pack of lies about a pheonix from the flames, LPL was never part of any of the bidders plans as far as I can gather.

While I sympathise with your predicament, I cant remember (recently) any other airline that has managed to get itself into quite the mess with the Authority that JEM has.

If you want to operate in a REGULATED sector, then you have to play by the rules. JEM broke them the day they thought they were bigger than the CAA and if as a company you continually think yourself immune from anything else that EVERY other operator has to obide by then your Accountable Manager has to be the most brain dead individual ever to have held the post at a UK airline.

143 Employees have paid that ultimate price for one mans ego. FACT.

EVERYONE knows that the CAA can be a pain, but they are also EXTREMELY willing to help you if you tell them you have a problem, just like they are willing to give and take if you show them that you are self regulating and are doing your best to resolve problems, even if you dont get on with a particular individual at the CAA, you even have the right to have them replaced if you can justify that they have a greivance against you. You cant say fairer than that.

Most of the people who critisise the Authority on this thread have VERY little to do with Flight Ops Inspectors or the process of Auditing and Regulation, that is very evident from the utter bollocks about some kind of conspiracy theory about the CAA being out to get JEM.

As for any other 'capers' that go on at other airlines, I am interested to know what they are, they cant be too serious as they would have had their AOC pulled as well.

more people laid off today at Blackpool and Liverpool

seems to be mainly an engineering presence only.

suppose they are needed to keep whats left of the fleet serviceable until flown out to new owners???

Ei-CGO,
Whilst the theme of your post is close to the point please do not spoil it by pointing the finger, in a personal attack, at one man. I do not defend the individual who is the victim of your attack but was he the true bean counter or was it an individual one step up the ladder above him.

What an appropriate ploy, to put a CEO in place of the bean counter, put one's hand up his ass as if a glove puppet, shout and bawl at the staff, treat them perhaps like sh1t but if what that individual was doing was so wrong then why did the bean counter leave him in place for so long?

And as for OPSQUEEN, well a bit of naivity there, every airline bends the rules but to repeatedly and daily disregard them, well that's something else and whilst OPSQUEENS and all those affected have my every sympathy perhaps there are pastures new just around the corner ..... or two.

If you are that appalled then why bring the subject up AGAIN - just drop it once and for all - it's nothing to do with you

Have a good friend who, like you all, is now without a job an an income. Unlike most of you, he is a pleasant and honourable person - move on.

Don't encourage him folks, ignore. I'll delete/ban as necessary.

WORRIED OF WIDNES
 

Thank you Mr Moderator

Phileas
"Something round the corner" - I hope so, getting bored already!

For any Ops staff readers, have heard that Flight Support/Servisair/Ryanair and Globespan (as and when they get to LPL) are looking for people.

Cheers all

Thank you Mr Moderator - well done !!!!

that annoying little s*it was driving me mad , how jealous can one person be GET A BIRD OF YOUR OWN AND LEAVE MOB's ALONE SAD GIT !!!

Does anyone know who this pratt actually is ?? MOB must be outraged, talk about having to look after your other half from jealous t*ats hope sk is rising above it !

I thought this thread was about the end of Emerald and not an adolescents fantasy column!
For the sake of historical record does anyone have a full list of the positioning flights back to Blackpool aircraft/call sign / point of departure/ time of arrival?
What is the status of the AOC is it still suspended or has it been withdrawn? (Academic really once KPMG came through the door) What "Official" grounds have been given by the CAA for the suspension.
Hope everyone gets sorted out soon with new careers, whenever I have met any Gemstone staff they have been caring competant and professional.
Be lucky
David

The END
 

I agree totally with your first paragraph. There are a few sad people about.

For the arrivals of the Fleet at Blackpool try the Blackpool spotter web site they seem to have their finger on the pulse. They have a photo on the first page. As for the two aircraft which inpounded at Liverpool (ATP & HS748) and Coventry (two HS748 and lots of shorts 3-60's,some grounded before due lack of spares) plus the Pax ATP on the IOM. Try air traffic or if you know any of the pilots they will let you know. If you know David P training Capt he has most of the crews e-mails addresses. He could ask for the info. Good luck

As for the reason for the CAA suspending the AOC it's anyone guess. Nobody at "Emerald" has told us.:ugh: It's not been lifted as far as we know. All the pilots have had their P45's and everyone else The company is no more. Rather a sad way to go.:bored:

I believe pilots are finding jobs far and wide.

not all of us are finding jobs tho !! and wat are balpa doing?? when are we gonna get any redundancy money?? or any kind of explanation from anybody as to why this happened?

Shorts 360 back in Aberdeen
 

Hi
Shed is alive again in Aberdeen, doing its normal run which Emerald used to do and Emerald ABZ Crews have got the job with Benair.

I wish you all ex Emerald employees Good Luck, we are doing safe landings.

Cheers:ok:

Its not a plug, but if there are any LTC's out there on the 748 still looking for work (not TRE's) I may be able to put you in touch with someone.

There was no sign of activity last nightin either ops or eng at lpl last night so it looks like the end........:{ :{ :{

No there will not be any sign of any activity as all Ops staff have gone now(as mentioned before) these where the only people left running the company at night trying to keep there jobs and trying to make the company some sort of money/income, and what engineers were left do not work at nights.

I have been told that on Friday there should be some indication on who if anyone has bought what's left.:hmm: :confused:




(p.s Cheer's Buddy...I,m trying to contact you and dont seem to be able to do this check your emails or your telephone messages urgently,may have a job for you??);)

THE STREETS
 

THe Streets, please check your pm's

>>No there will not be any sign of any activity as all Ops staff have gone now(as mentioned before) these where the only people left running the company at night trying to keep there jobs and trying to make the company some sort of money/income<<

On a point of note, the IoM staff, both Cargo and Pax have been working as per normal through all of this. Likewise earning revenue on the Cargo side, scanning freight/mail and also operating the Pax ground handling contracts, in the forlorn hope that some of it may come back in spades, or at least redundancy money! However with neither visual/audible or written notification from the company (only once from KPMG) during this period of discontent, it seems as though Friday may be 'THE DAY' for us also! What a waste of time, effort and resources! Aaaaarrgghh!

>>I have been told that on Friday there should be some indication on who if anyone has bought what's left<<

Honestly, they're welcome to it!

Regards to all.

IOM Staff
 

The people on the IOM will no doubt be working for one of Mr Janes many other companies, Emerald Airways IOM Ltd, Freshleave Ltd, Emerald 748 Ltd or Copperfayre to name just a few.

I wonder how many staff of these companies need to start worrying

Has anyone heard any whispers about who may be in the running to buy the company or any of the aircraft??

A MR michael 0. brian ?

>>[quote=Emeroid Eng]The people on the IOM will no doubt be working for one of Mr Janes many other companies, Emerald Airways IOM Ltd, Freshleave Ltd, Emerald 748 Ltd or Copperfayre to name just a few.<<

The simple answer to that, is 'NONE'.
Comes a time when it's not just the job, or having a job that matters, but your own personal pride and ethics! Which it seems, are sadly lacking within the heirarchy of what was once 'Emerald'.
We are just waiting for our notice and hoped for pay off! Then we are gone, as in, GONE!!
There are enough jobs available over here to keep us employed, thank goodness. However it does not make up in entirety for the frustration and anger at being treated like the smallest mushrooms in the pack! Like the rest of us, I have a job already waiting.

Its a straight fight now between two, in both camps are operators one Danish and one from the UK, so it doesnt take a genius to work out who they are, both have been mentioned elewhere in this thread, and both being supported by other parties so I guess you can say both are a consortium of sort.

Contrary to speculation, the 'pheonix' that certain individuals in LPL have been telling clients/employees etc that would have kept JEM going in some format have pulled out of the running.

Both I hear plan to sell off at least some the stock and have interest from around the world.

There wont be any decisions this week, as I am led to believe that the main player in all this at the Administrators is on Holiday.

I know its very lazy of me but please can you advise which UK operator is planning to buy JEM? I cant be bothered going through 20+ pages of thread.
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administrators on holiday?
bloody marvelous ! were all sat here waiting for some or any kind of payout! and cant remember the last time i had a holiday.
cheeky b******s !
wat hell are balpa doing about any of this??

If you read my post NO UK operator is planning to buy JEM themselves.

TWO operators are part of each consortium that are trying to buy JEM, like I say most of the fleets may be sold/leased around the world, but a few aircraft, most probably the SD3-60's will continue to fly in the UK.

A wholesale purchase then re start is TOTALLY unviable thanks to the efforts of the ex accountable manager in having his AOC revoked and the utter utter mess that the company is now in.

Maybe the ONE individual concerned booked his holiday before the Accountable Manager of JEM decided to throw his AOC away.

I am told that KPMG tried extremely hard to sell to someone who wanted to keep the show going, again its not their fault that the mess the company is in has made it unviable for prospective purchasers to be able to do that.

No news about poss takeover or anything else :ugh: only a few engineers doing some late spring cleaning,and I believe a few "downstairs" including MOB (they had an early stack though approx 3:30)

So the thread has degenerated into this. Pathetic!

MOB whereabouts
 

To those that are interested in MOB's whereabouts why not try MOBAND CONSTRUCTION Limited. Registered Address Sycamore House, Sutton Quay Business Park, Sutton Weaver Runcon Cheshire. Believed set up in 2003. All job applications to include detailed cv :mad:

NO NEWS???
 

So nobody still knows who own's whats left then,come on guys people are not interseted with other things than whats really going on.

Emerald Group
 

From a bit of digging around the 'Emerald Group' consists of various companies all of which are overdue in filling accounts at Companies House

Emerald Aviation Group 04985096 due 31 Mar 2005
Emerald Airways Ltd 02723459 due 30 June 2005
Emerald Airways Engineering Limited 024006284 due 30 June 2005
Emerald Airline Ltd 02815441 due 30 June 2005
Streamline Group Limited 04454388 due 30 June 2005
Streamline Engineering Limited 04084153 due 30 June 2005
Freshleave Limited 03188295 due 30 June 2005
Streamline Aviation Training Ltd 03907626 due 30 June 2005
Steamline Aviation (SW) Limited 02593410 due 30 June 2005
Emerald Airways Trading Limited 02778870 due 30 June 2005

So the question must be asked what Companies House have been doing to chase these up ?? Also what were the CAA doing all this time ??

As late filing is a criminal act there must be the potential for heavy fining of ALL Directors and if it were demonstrated that they acted ill adviseably they could be banned from acting as Directors for a number of years.

My information is

• that the Bank is in deep, very deep
• that creditors including part of the acquisition price for Streamline are a mountain high.
• That A valuation of the aircraft comes to peanuts.
• And that an offer received has been already turned down as the Bank would have too big a hit.

Regretably
MOB will definitely be on the 'tools' in his building company
AJ back to his copper braclet
KH will be property developing
DH back to his offshore villa

and the loyal Emerald staff scattered to the wind

Whats your reference for late filing to be a criminal act? According to the companies house office failure to furnish accounts will invoke a fine dependent on how late they end up being filed. Failure to pay the fine will be referred to a debt collector and a judgement could be made against the company (s) in County or Sheriff court. Didn't see anything about the directors being held personally liable unless you are referring to them acting negligently in some way which is a whole different ball game.

Late filing link

As the company is now deep into Administration (actually now no longer trading) I am led to believe that no action will be taken against any of the directors while any sale is going through. HM Customs and Ex and Companies House have been involved in the Administration procedure.

Getting back to any potential sale, the value of the 'stock' seems to plummet by the day as any potential buyer looks in depth at just how much money will be needed to get ANY of these aircraft flying again. The two 'potential' buyers have both adjusted their price, not to the liking of KPMG, and I have to say, I am glad that I am not a creditor, as you can bet your life that they are going to loose out big time.

7 different organisations have looked at the 'stock' and walked away, its a mammoth job to get any of this going again, I said last week to expect a decision, but I am hearing more and more that this may rumble on for weeks.

If ONLY the Accountable Manager had carried out a few simple tasks:=

MOB - Mad Or Bad
 

"If only" my Auntie had bollox she'd be my Uncle.
MOB was never going to be anything but arrogant, the more he received advice, the more he would do the opposite. Only his view was valid.

MOB's peculiar skill would probably have been useful a generation or two ago on the streets of Whitechapel, flogging off dodgy fruit and veg from his barrow. Unfortunately he ain't smart enough to be a Costermonger. They have the wits to look after their customers and the social skills to interact with them. MOB lacks any understanding of the notion of goodwill and sees only the sale. Short-term was his speciality - if only it hadn't been.

What everyone is seeing is the inevitable result of a baggage handler being put in charge of an Airline. What on earth made AJ give him the job in the first place? And more to the point keep him there after each F*** up he made? Beats it out of me. AJ you have only yourself to blame.

Think thats about right (bet some baggage handlers wont like the comparison though):D :D :D

I have watched this thread develop over the last few weeks and I find it sad that so many professional people have felt the need to "hang out the dirty washing" .

I had some bad days at Emerald but also some great days. I enjoyed the banter with all the staff.

I do think that sometimes we tried to fit a quart into a pint pot but then again some of the jobs we did were great fun.

Why dont we try and remember the good days and post some of the funnier experiences we had whilst employed by Emerald, as I am sure there are many.

Good luck to all those who were there at the end I am sure you will all find employment elsewhere, as I remember Emerald producing damn good pilots and excellent ops staff.

Well, if you can call funny paying eleven grand for a type rating then being fecked around for a year waiting for a job that never happened I had a hoot.

As far as I'm concerned it's good riddence to bad rubbish.

All the good folks will get a proper job - balls to the arses that that caused all the grief though! :rolleyes: