AVIATOR 2,

MOB, Leopard, spots. Need I say more?

Say Again Slowly,

Agree with most of your reply to Aviator 2.
When I was there the company lurched from one crisis to the next and my time there is just one bad memory which has mostly been erased with the passage of time. Frequently heard Ops Controllers complaining that they were fed up of "kicking the flying program round every night" and wishing for a night shift where one (or more) of the budgies didn't break down.

Some good people though, all undervalued and frequently abused by the man who told the staff that EA couldn't afford to give them a payrise that year and then bought himself a new company Lexus to reward himself for the saving! Yeah, AVIATOR 2, he is a great bloke. :ugh:

Good luck to the start up, just keep HIM away from it!!


Doc C

And another one has crawled from underneath their stone.

Another thread needs to be started for the re-start of EA that is on it's way with AJ instead of a slanging thread.

Doctor - your facts are in-correct.The Lexus was solely owned by MOB and not a Company bought car. Those who worked downstairs and in accounts will know this.

MOB was in charge of EA for over ten years keeping it up in the air and people seem to forget that, that is the only point I was trying to get across.

I hear he is over seas with his partner in employment so do not fear doctor I doubt he has any intention of being re-involved!

If it was a personal car, then it was still an awesome piece of mismanagement. Buying a flash new car just as you're telling people they can't have a pay rise because money is too tight.......

As an aside, how many iterations did AJ's flying businesses go through before Emerald.... Again I'll give you a hint, it was a lot. Open, close, open, close, open, close etc.etc.etc.

How many different contracts did some of the longer served crews have? Did they get pay rises each time? How about pay cuts?

How about the £10 voucher we got one christmas instead a bonus. Yeah thanks AJ. Good one. It made everyone feel really valued.

Aviator 2
look who the Directors are of janes Aviation (new start):{
A one MOB
Aone AJ:ugh:

If he is or if he isn't involved I am sure the same mistakes will not be made twice.

I for sure would like to see the look on some of your faces if he did join the re-start.

I was his right hand man for a few years and I have my opinions from an inside view not a member of crew who popped in once in a blue moon or happened to walk in on a bad ops day which happens in every airline.

Everyone has their good and their bad points, MOB made a success of that airline and made a lot of customer contacts for many a year and I happen to know after talking at LHR last week he is still in touch with a lot of them.

This thread has a lot of sour grapes and there is a different side to every story and everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

MOB is living and working overseas with his other half and in my opinion it would be 50/50 if he did come back for AJ.

Oh now I know who you are. Needless to say I will disregard anything you have to say on the points of competency in the airline world.

If MOB is involved, then anyone who goes back to work for that shower needs immediate and lifelong confinement to Colney Hatch.

Good luck if you do, 'cos you'll need it.

Oh and by the way, the look on my face would be one of amazement followed by laughter, finally followed by fear for the poor folks who might end up working for them.

Edited as not worth the posting.

I'm looking for HS748 type rated crew for a 6 month overseas contract starting January.

One TRi, one F/O plus one airframe and one avionics engineer required.

PM's welcome.

Thanks

fail please
 

as an ex streamline guy I really hope any new startup fails miserably watching the crew morale hitting rock bottom after the take over was not nice, too many good crews were lost because the management did not give a s*** about how they treated the crews ,to lose the pilots they did because of the attitude they had was almost criminal.the people who walked know who they are and also know that they were treated badly,for the budgie folk out there all I can say is that you put up with it out of choice, for most most of the shed boys ,well they were sold as a job lot, no choice but to walk!
on a personal note can I say how sad I was to hear about Andrew Morley a true gent and a real loss to the industry.

What an attitude to have when one man is trying to re-surrect his airline with a title from shedhead 'please fail'. I find that appauling.

And the end of the day we all lost and gained from EA but as far as we know AJ has a partner and children to support like most of us.

Most of the budgie guys as well as the office staff know for-well that the shed guys arrived from streamline with chips on their shoulders and rightly so being shuved from pillar to post but again at the end of the day you where given another chance with employment at EA when Streamline was taken over.

As for xmas bonus 'say again', a lot of companies get 'zilch' and I know for a fact that those xmas vouchers came out of AJ's & his wife's pocket and not through the Company. Multiply £10 by the amount of staff that worked at all sites and you have quite a large sum.

Annie would probably back me up here being downstairs you witnessed the fact that the management did give a !!!!! as you so politley put it shed head.

£10 is an insult. I would far rather have had a card saying thanks, but we can't afford any more. That would have been fine. If you think that is an acceptable practice, then I suggest you get some time in a real company or even do some management training, you'll soon find out that "gestures" like that are totally counter productive

The streamline guy's were quite rightly p*ssed off with how they were treated. Emerald managed to turn a profitable and relatively happy little company into oblivion in less than 3 years.

They also didn't like the fact that they were blamed for the woes of the company which was odd. They came from a stable company, that worked them far harder than Emerald ever did, but there was some respect both ways.

The takeover of streamline was a total botch job and there is no way the crews could be blamed for that. They just suffered for it. It wasn't just the crews though, I have never seen engineers treated as poorly. They tried their best, but were treated like dirt and when that happens of course people get demoralised and get "chips on their shoulders".

The demise of Emerald can be put down very easily to the decisions made to buy manky old ATP's to try and save money. Anyone who's been in flying for more than 5 minutes and has a modicum of commonsense could have told you that decision was going to be a disaster.
From there it was a catalogue of idiotic decisions and bad crisis management that put the company out of business.

Only one or maybe two people can be held responsible for those and their initials were MOB and AJ. As the sign says "the buck stops here" and unfortnately for the crews and other staff, it stopped at someone without the ability to sort it.

I have no issue with any of the 748 crews they worked as hard as anyone to try and keep the show on the road, but sometimes I do feel that a culture of letting thing slide had built up over the years and when the streamline crews turned up and were being asked to do the same, that's when they got fed up.
They simply weren't prepared to bend or break rules to get things done in the same way, which in my eyes was exactly right. Flying can be dangerous and some of the things I saw going on were outrageous and totally unacceptable.

I wasn't prepared to put up with it and nor should anyone else have been.

At last you have stated the name at the top AJ the man who MOB reported to and worked for the man who decided to bring the ATP's in even though MOB told him they would be bad news for the Company and disagreed totally with it.
ATP's and the pax service had blood shed over the company from day one. We downstairs knew how MOB felt about the ATP's but as any person does you do as your boss tells you to do ie. AJ.
If AJ wants to give it another ago then fine so be it. His choice as he has a family to support, if any ex EA staff choose to get involved then again their choice, but does not mean those who choose to stay away from it should wish bad luck or want it to fail.
EA was not perfect nor is any other airline.

By the way the vouchers came with hand written card to each and every one of us from AJ's wife.

Look forward not back
 

As a former customer at the time of the demise they treated us as shockingly as some of you. Anyway Mr J is quite comfortable in his £850K house (Nethouseprices is a great tool) and as a previous poster noted running a company with all his children and MOB as directors. This should give him and them an income which is their right. As a user of chartered freighters I would not personally charter an aircraft from them but the more in the marketplace the more competitive for end users like us.

The Christmas cards from the Janes family were a nice touch, including the £10 Sainsbury voucher.
What was a bit crap was at Xmas 2004 he didn't send out even a card - now i've heard of being removed from someone's Christmas card list but that is ridicuous.
Good luck if AJ gets it going but more fool him if he involves MOB again.
AJ should employ someone capable dealing with people. If you are going to lead people i would have thought it was obvious.
MOB was always full of some bull!!!! grand scheme when he spoke to crews.

must come in again on this. the streamline boys both air and groundcrew were treated very badly after the takeover, I listened to FO's stressing about the fact that that two months had gone by without the exes being paid and the engineers were expected to drive to Bristol or Norwich for an "a" check with no spares backup or proper kit to do the job properly.on one wonderful occasion they were told that whisky bravo was tech in Paris
when they knew that it was on jacks in the Hangar.defend them all you like for those of us who had to put up with the incompetence and arrogance of MOB and still try to operate in a professional way those days were a nightmare

Bit off the topic in question.

Does any one know where Trevor Caplis (ex ops guy) is these days?

Lives in Liverpool I know but was wondering what Company snapped him up?

Cheers all.

Trev
 

Last seen loitering in Ops at Jet2.com in LBA. :ok:

Snapped him up? Don't be stupid!!! He's still as crap as ever... :}

Take it away Trev... "Do your balls hang low..."

he-he-ha

How ya doing stevie p?

Which way did the wind blow you after EA?

Sounds about right about Trevor loitering in the Ops room. Funny days where those.

I understand Steve followed Trevor to Jet2....
what a pair they got there :bored:

Hi I'm still around lol
Dont where the Sainsbury's bit came into things lol
I'm ok thanks and working in Warrington - been there nearly a year now - how the time has passed.
Just catching up on this lot again, not been logged in for months

Hi all x

That was for Icarus' post by the way

That sounds about right Largerlout (hope you are keeping well). They always where a funny team together.

Good to hear you are keeping well Opsqueen, I noticed you had not been on for a while.

Your right how times does fly, too quickly in fact.

Funny team
 

.... Ste was definetly the Yang to Trev's Ying or whatever....
wonder if they have taken their emerald professionalism :ugh: with them to Jet2?

HS748
 

For you crews totally addicted to the budgie, there's a guy called Andy Farmer looking for crews for a 6 month contract

In Bangladesh

E1

any news on whats happening to the recently paineted G-OSOE seen in BLK?

G-OSOE awaiting the delivery nod from AJ

to where... what do they have planned for it??

Rumours whisper that AJ is on a roll and should be up and running early 2008, I believe the base will be southend.

A handful of the ex EA members are confirmed to be involved, so goodluck to those who do, whether it be a risk or not.

I think the Feds are making them jump through every conceivable hoop before they will grant an AOC.

I wish AJ all the luck he needs, but alas if I were a betting man, I would sooner put my money on Derby County staying in the Premiership. Especially if MOB is involved. I may be guessing, but I think hell may freeze over before the Feds grant an AOC to anything he may have anything to do with.

748's are very old now, and as such, a bit on the unreliable side. Can't see any decent courier / post contracts going the way of the budgie's again. Things have moved on.

Ad hoc maybe, but not that much out there for that size of machine.

To save a load more mud slanging for those who want to talk about the start-up yes dr c i have edited

Goodluck all.

Forget it, not worth printing other than to say you're in cloud cookoo land (although if you are who I think you are, I'm not surprised).

Edited to get rid of most of it cos Aviator 2 and the MOB fan club will never change their minds and neither will those of us who have a realistic view of him and his talents.

Doc C

Damn straight they want him involved, it's a guaranteed failure if he is!

It's funny but when I left and went elsewhere, the first thing that was said to me was, if you come and work for us, don't worry it isn't anything like Emerald, so don't worry. That was before it went to the wall, so what the place was really like was well known to the "professionals" in the industry.

No-one wants more competition and using shagged out 748's will never amount to anything any more unfortunately.

The world has moved on and with a reputation like Emerald stinking up any project, it just won't work.

I just hope no-one is relying on this.

So is it true that the AOC application has been put on 'hold'?

I thought you where the one who always knew more than us others.

I don't believe that it has been put on hold, all the normal checks and tests are being done and then AJ should be on his way.

Sincerest apologies if my last post before offended any one, I see it has been removed...just a bit of banter for the boys.

Oh aviator, I dont profess to know everything, but I was around when the biggest collapse of an airline since Air Europe took place, and know some of those who are STILL owed six figure sums.

Do not fret, if you are daft enough to be flying one of those 748s that our good friends at the authority seem to be taking 4 times longer to approve an AOC that they normally take, then rest assured you will be inpounded for a debt that is yet to be paid.

I can assure you, and those directors (or should that be failed directors) of the shortest airline in the history of UK aviation , you can run, but you can never hide.

Hope they give you large limits on you credit cards !! (although cant imagine they will EVER get credit from anyone ever again !!)

Sweeping statements
"biggest collapse of an airline since Air Europe took place"
Swiss air, Sabena, Duo may have had an edge on that

How could you gauge the life of the airline, as the shortest.

Hi all, slightly off topic but did not know where else to ask.
I worked in ops for a while at Emerald, I have now completed my flight training and as I worked there within the last 5 years (just) I need the exact dates of employment for my CV and for an airside pass when/if I get a job.
Anyone know where I can get that info, or will rough dates do if an employer cant check due to there being no-one to contact.

Best wishes all and thanks in advance.
Ian

Most companies will accept the dates if you explain that the place went bust. If you need it, try and get hold of an ex-colleague so that they can countersign to prove that you worked there.

I've done it for quite a few ex-emerald colleagues and they haven't had any problems.

Good luck with the job hunting. If you've already been successful, then well done!

SAS thanks for the swift response, no job as yet as MCC is booked for next week, then wanted to start applying, Eastern being one of the priority airlines for me, but Cpt Si R is Head of Training now I believe, so wanted dates to be accurate prior to applying.
Would it be cheeky of me to contact him to certify I worked at Emerald and also use the contact! if he is contactable direct.

Thanks again

There's a couple of ex-Emerald folks at Eastern. SR certainly was at Eastern last time I saw. Why not try him, you never know!

Good luck and don't be shy about using any contacts you have.