Here, here, Doctor C!

The more you're seen to cope in the adversarial arena, the more the big boys question "well there's nothing wrong is there, you manage any other day of the week"

Another boardrooms and balance sheets scenario. Too late now though.

Every airline that I have worked for has cut corners in one shape or form but never should cutting corners become a daily routine of life, I believe that is the core of the problem!

Whilst all you operators out there are rubbing your hands with glee and thinking about all the lovely money you will be making think about all the innocent people such as wives and children who will be affected if Emerald do not manage to get their AOC back.

I was gutted last night at the thought that I may lose may home because of this.

I hope from the comment made by the CAA in the Scottish Press Article that it is not a forgone conclusion that this is permanent and I hope that MOB can move forward with the CAA to turn the company back on the right track.

I for one will be spending another sleepless night!!!

What meeting I havent heard anything can you please post details ?

sufferingspouse I promise you I'm racked off for you over this affair. I hope things sort swiftly; redundancy sucks - been there, done that et al.

But the reality is that this mess should never have been allowed to start, or once started, to continue.

As I said earlier, my recent experience with JEM was too much "we're all in it together and we just pull through by the skin of our teeth every day".

Not a good omen for business. Somebody's got to be held to account for this.

Whilst the airline is grounded, i think you chaps (and ladies) need to realise that there are very few 748 pilots left, and as such should these be sold on, theres only you bunch that can fly them.
As well as that, the only place capable of maintaining them to any decent standard is the Emerald engineering dept.
Whilst i dont know the exact background behind the withdrawal of AoC, i very much doubt it would be because of a trivial reason that could be rectified in a couple of days. I think to be realistic, this will either take the airline off the market for a month or so, or permanently.
You should also probably factor in the commercial damage this will have done - leaving it until the last moment to tell your largest client (RM) that you have no AoC is not the basis for an ongoing relationship. The cleverer thing to have done would be to sub in aircraft there and then, and advise your clients of the situation, whilst assuring them that they will have their contracted uplift etc etc.
Operationally speaking, the airline would still have been grounded, but would have continued to generate revenue, keeping the bank happy. Without the ability to demonstrate the company is a going concern and not a 'car on bricks' the various VC's, banks and financiers cheque books will be firmly shut.
Its easy for me to sit on the sidelines and point out all the deficiencies in MoB and AJ, but that really does not accomplish much, or give the Emerald boys much comfort.
Fingers crossed that they pull through it, but i would not hold my breath this time.

Whilst the lucky ones of us who are no longer with the mobster can sit outside and say "we're not surprised", I agree with sufferingspouse.

Like satco, been redundant, worried about mortgage etc.

All sympathy to Emeralds staff now.

Doc C

Sorry to the guys at Emerald-you've been let down and I wish you well. Out of interest, who is covering the BOH based contracts in the mean time?

Emerald please do the decent thing
 

I have worked for Emerald for a good many years now and as many of you know Emerald has been run on rumour and hearsay. And even now in what could potentially be the last few days of Emerald as a company the rumours and hearsay are still flying about.

From what I know for a fact is that the AOC has been suspended and that’s all I know.

What I find appalling is yet again the lack of information from the company, it is now 24 hrs since we heard that the AOC had been pulled and yet the powers that be have still not sent a NOTAC out explaining the situation in full this is absolutely diabolical.

All the loyal employees deserve an explanation as to why the AOC was pulled and what the future holds in store for them.

So come on Emerald please do the decent thing we have the company email system up and running so please use it.

NIGHT FREIGHT 1

Please note that all crew members are being informed on an individual basis by Management. This is an internal matter and does not constitute a NOTAC being raised which, if you are an aircrew member, you should know - rather worrying if you dont know what a NOTAC actually means.

Good evening Opsqueen ... and do you know when individual crew members will be told ? Told earlier in the evening to keep checking the e mails but nothing is appearing ... I think all employees would really like to know what is happening .... you are right in saying this is internal .. but it is now looking at falling into public arena as no one is being told anything and this rumour network appears to running rife

Ops Queen
I am more than aware what a NOTAC is maybe you could tell me when I am going to be informed ?

current scene at blackpool

http://www.btinternet.com/~poolfc/JEM_DR_050506.jpg

Sensible reply to ALL VULTURES
 

Well my first post, a short military experience should tell me how it should be run, but guys come on this is the real world. Where should I start:
Not only the sky jockeys (perhaps the guys that the gov. paid to train and then bailed out to go commercial) work long hours, but what about crewing and ops the abused and used, who have kept emerald going for many years, these people are the backbone of any company. I know that without fast intelligent ex fighter pilots the freight business would be at a loss. So all the back stabbers who have left because they can't hack it or have been sacked give it a rest and get on with what you're supposed to be doing at work, keep the shed you're working for alive it will pay your mortgage.
Regards
Sensible Bod ex 33 Sqd.

I reckon thats quite a sad sight above there!!

My Heart bleeds at the sight of these budgies stranded at BLK.I speak as a veteran of 5 years employment. The finger of blame points directly at the man at the top, NOT the MOB, like everyone else he was only doing what he was told to do.

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Ever considered anger management??? you obviously worked for Emerald at some stage of your life, and obviously that stage is over now. So although you relish in this setback, your comments are not constructive to those of us who are worried about tomorrow and the next day and the next day after that!!!

Those concerned are fully aware of Emeralds operating procedures so what is your point besides character assassination?

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

angry yes because one individual is responsible for so many and he could not give a sh-- and you still defend him .When this all turns out to be not just another "it will be ok " but the final staw just remember who said strung you along with all the crap and false promises.Angry because you really do not understand what has just happened neither does he i suspect but you will look back it will be the same as when youe asked where were ou when kennedy was killed " where were you when emerald sunk"

Cut the bull!!!!! chaps, this is definately not the time or place for any kind of gloating. There's far too many people worried about their futures at the mo'.

I'm no fan of MOB's (infact, if he was on fire the only way I'd p*ss on him would be if I'd been drinking petrol.) but whilst he's a major reason for the current problems, I very much doubt whether AJ can shirk all of the blame.

If anyone can seriously believe that the owner of a company doesn't know what's going on, then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

Unfortunately, with all the a/c being shoved about last minute like this, this doesn't seem like a short-term problem, unless they are going to use this "break" to get all maintenance up to date..... (Pigs have just been reported sprouting wings in my local area you see.)

Luckily it seems as if quite a few chaps have recently got jobs elsewhere. I hope all the others sort themselves out soon.

I have only just learned about this and very shocked. As a former ops bod a few years ago the atmosphere has got worse rather than better from what i have heard. I do find it a disgrace that the company have not officially mentioned anything yet.

So what happens now ? Are office staff sent home?

I really wish everybody concerned the best and hope everything works out ok.

Nothing much that nobody doesnt really know already but here is a link from the BBC ref Euromanx's flights from LPL to IOM. Euromanxs first flight from LPL on Saturday has been cancelled i assume because of the JEM's ATP not available to operate the flight.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/eur...an/4978210.stm

Emerald have been on the go for years, so the more experienced staff don't need my advice.
But just in case, it's very obvious that the company will not fly again, there are many vacancies for both pilots and engineers at the moment, so get the CVs off to whoever you'd like to work for and even to those you don't.

Speculitive applications often lead to unexpected offers.

All the best to everyone.:ok:

good luck
 

Evening all,

I'm not going to claim to be personally privvy to the goings on at Emerald, but as someone who has been through the whole airline shutdown mill on a previous occasion (and I know of someone at Emerald for whom this would be turn number 3), I wish you all the very best of luck.

well hung ops gimp (god, feels disturbing actually typing that out ;) ) while I realise you have previous experience of this company, and I have heard many things similar to what you mention, please understand there are a bunch of staff, many of whom will be your former colleagues, not knowing for sure where the next paycheque is coming from, who at least for now, really dont want to be part of the whole "who is to blame" arguement. There will be plenty of time for that later!

I say this not as a criticism of you mate, but just from personal experience of working for an airline that many in the industry knew would fail and despite us coming so close to success, eventually did. That didnt stop me or my colleagues from putting in 110% every day to make it work and the last thing you want to hear on the day it all ends is that your efforts were doomed from the start.

Again, best of luck to you all: a bunch that have been through so many operational "challenges" will surely be snapped up by other airlines!

And finally: a big shout out to that babduck........;)

Its a shame for the troops for sure, we all no who too blame.
perhaps the caa have realised i was always right in what i always said
emerald - a right shower of s!"£t.

Hi Guys,

I come in peace from the mil forum. Sad news for the guys and gals at Emerald. Its always ashame to see an old airline die, hope you guys all find work again real soon.

Best of luck!

Fantaman :ok:

It wasn't Emerald itself that was "a right shower of s!"£t. " just the man at the top who blamed everyone but himself.No doubt he's still doing so!:yuk:

People have every right to be angry but when this sort of thing happens the fault can only be put at the door of the Accountable Manager.

Any operator that has a proper Quality Auditing system and hold both Management Evaluation and Flight Safety Meetings on a regular basis (Neither involing any expense to the operator providing they employ both Flight Safety Officer and a Quality Manager) should be able to spot flaws in training or engineering resulting in non conformaties being dealt with before the Authority ever need to be involved, in fact if you follow this process you stand in better shape with the authority because they see that you are self regulating yourself.

In my experience of the Authority and FOI's I have always found them to be helpful and responsive if you follow the basic principles that you yourself set out in your Part A and Quality Manual, after all these are a statement of intent from the operator (not the authority) and if you do not follow your own manuals you really cannot blame the Authority for any action they may take.

At every stage of a Quality process and any audit carried out by the authority direct feedback to the Accountable Manager is undertaken so there is no excuse for action that has not been taken, if those under the AM cannot complete the tasks then others must be brought in to do it and if not that again is the responsibility of the AM.

No one is gloating over this whole issue, but Emerald employees should be asking serious questions of why the Accountable Manager of an organisation of this size has allowed his AOC to be revoked, it is fairly unpresidented in recent times and can only be as a result of the basic principles of holding an AOC being seriously neglected.

MOB - Do the workers some justise
 

MOB need's to let the men and women, who have strived to try and keep this Airline going, in on what's going on... It' what a good manager would do!!!!
:confused:

see thats where it falls down...you said GOOD manager didnt you

I'm still trying to figure out how a short and non commercial military experience should tell one how to run a commercial airline :)

In the military, under the official secrets act, one is not allowed to talk about their duties or the nature of their business and everything is funded by the tax payer. Perhaps that is the card that JEM are playing, let's keep everything a secret, that's how the military do it!

Fast intelligent ex fighter pilots and the freight business would be at a loss without them, mmmm, I'll reserve judgement on that one :)

does anyone have a clue if we have jobs.?? cabin crew have been told we're off till further notice but will still get paid. how true that is i dont know! I find it shameful that none of the management have issued any sort of notice. as usual we're left to worry about what the future holds at emerald.I haven.t slept for 2 nights. MOB stop treating us like mushrooms!........ Kept in the dark and fed a load of sh..t! We deserve better. :confused: :{

As long as I´ve been in the freight game they have said that Emerald is going down any time now (started in freight 5 years ago)...
Hope things will turn out good have friends there right now who dont´t know what to do....

there was a AN-12 in at ncl yesterday working on behalf of aircontractors it was noted as turning north after take off, may be she was been used to cover the gap left by emerald.

Welcome to the real world, I have had three airlines close on me during my time and they never gave me any information before, during or after.
I pitched up for work at one of them and found the doors locked and all the aircraft gone. If any of you think A.J and Mob give a flying **** about any of you, you need you’re heads testing. Doesn’t the way you have been treated during the time you worked there tell you that? It’s all about making money, and not for you.
All they will be doing is damage limitation and making sure that if they can’t save Emerald they will not have to worry how they pay their mortgages or where the next meal comes from, and what is the absolute minimum they can get away with paying you.
Mind you I doubt they have mortgages, all you’re, and for a few years, my hard work has seen to that. I could rant on about what I think about MOB and how he is the most detestable person I have ever met and that he hasn’t got the slightest inkling about person management or human communication skills but you all know that for yourselves. Believe me, if it is gone for good, while you are all upset at the moment, in six months time you will all be saying that it was the best thing that ever happened to you, and when you are working for a proper Airline you will look back on how that piece of sh** treated you and wonder how the hell you put up with it. As for some of the !!!! some of you ex military farts are spewing out, I will be glad when you lot are all gone from this industry. I am ex 85 squadron, but I made damn sure I didn’t turn into one of you lot you pompous arrogant asses. What the hell have intelligent fast fighter pilots got to do with what these people are going through? The one person saying it as it is and talking sense is well hung ops gimp.

I've never considered the MOBster a good manager, but he could have redeamed himself just a little. The people working at Emerald are, what I concider, some of the best in the industry. Just a shame that the company was run into the ground by the CEO and a bunch of bean counting gob !!!!!es.

I hope all the good people there go on to bigger and better things, if indeed this is the end of what could have been a good thing.
:ok: Good luck y'all!!!!

I havve heard some engineering contractors have only received part payments for work carried out...not a good sign as thus far payments have been in full and on time

Wedgehog
 

What did you fly? The Bristol Ferranti Bloodhound, or something even older?

Having been through all this recently, I think it's fair to assume the jobs have gone and you need to file against Emerald for unfair dismissal and claim for pay in lieu of notice which is paid by the Government. Get the union involved, they will claim on your behalf.

Get the CVs out, don't waste any time.

Good Luck! Once you've flown in daylight, you won't want to go back!

he he, no not quite. Canberra

HE7OR WHAT HAPPENS IF YOUR NOT IN A UNION. NONE OF THE GIRLS HAVE BEEN IN TH IS POSITION BEFORE AND DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO TURN! ANYONE NEED A CLEANER? LEAST I'VE STILL GOT A SENSE OF HUMOUR. JUST!!!!!!! :ugh:

Does anybody think MOB will ever be able to work for another airline if JEM does go down? Do you think he will even have the cheek to apply for another airline posistion?