Polar/Atlas The Saga Continues
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New news. ALPA National has sent the combined Atlas/Polar seniority list to the company setting up a new timeline of merger events. The seniority list that Polar largely won in the past arbitration and decision.
Belowmins,
Sorry I don't have time to spoon feed the answer to you despite it being present in the links from the board your cross posting from. Maybe your ALPA contract administrator lawyer (EB) or the 1 million dollar man a year lawyer (Katz - actually @ 800K USD a year) you have paid for with ALPA National dues can tell you. ALPA just lost two carriers due to it's affects to another union.
Belowmins,
Sorry I don't have time to spoon feed the answer to you despite it being present in the links from the board your cross posting from. Maybe your ALPA contract administrator lawyer (EB) or the 1 million dollar man a year lawyer (Katz - actually @ 800K USD a year) you have paid for with ALPA National dues can tell you. ALPA just lost two carriers due to it's affects to another union.
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You know Whale Rider, I kind of believe you.
ALPA National will probably do something to pull the plug on the merger after the time line of the Teamsters Vote at Atlas, if it fails. You know, the typical back room backstabbing agreements that we have grown accustom to at ALPA. I could give you a number of examples in just contract negotiations. Right up there with how Atlas managment does things except with a union name on it. Pretty disgusting isn't it. Playing one union off another. A fine example of how not to run a union.
So if you are tired of it, I suggest completing a card at http://atlasforteamsters.com whether you are Polar or Atlas guys.
ALPA National will probably do something to pull the plug on the merger after the time line of the Teamsters Vote at Atlas, if it fails. You know, the typical back room backstabbing agreements that we have grown accustom to at ALPA. I could give you a number of examples in just contract negotiations. Right up there with how Atlas managment does things except with a union name on it. Pretty disgusting isn't it. Playing one union off another. A fine example of how not to run a union.
So if you are tired of it, I suggest completing a card at http://atlasforteamsters.com whether you are Polar or Atlas guys.
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Should they, let those Atlas people vote how they will, because then they can't blame the Polar folks for their bad decisions like they have for the past 7 years. Grow your own balls, except your own desicions, don't let another union or pilot group tant your decision, but except what you get and there is no one else to blame.
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BillyBob521 says:
Should they, let those Atlas people vote how they will, because then they can't blame the Polar folks for their bad decisions like they have for the past 7 years. Grow your own balls, except your own desicions, don't let another union or pilot group tant your decision, but except what you get and there is no one else to blame.
Should they, let those Atlas people vote how they will, because then they can't blame the Polar folks for their bad decisions like they have for the past 7 years. Grow your own balls, except your own desicions, don't let another union or pilot group tant your decision, but except what you get and there is no one else to blame.
I just dunno.... I would hate to make a tanted desicion. or have one of my desicions tanted by another union or pilot group.
I guess when I grow some balls then my desicions won't be tanted - is that what you are trying to say?
BELOW - any and all Polar cards have been accepted so far - feel free to send yours in. Furloughed counts. If you are still on the seniority list somewhere your card is acceptable to the NMB.
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Whale
Trying not to be redundant, but the question remains:
Will authorization cards from Polar crewmembers be counted toward the decertification of ALPA at Atlas?
How about cards from Northwest pilots or United?
Trying not to be redundant, but the question remains:
Will authorization cards from Polar crewmembers be counted toward the decertification of ALPA at Atlas?
How about cards from Northwest pilots or United?
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Whale
I'm sure you aren't getting much if anything from Polar. And what you may get will not be what you want. Personally I have no desire to waste my time and a stamp. And why isn't anyone answering BELOMINS question?
I'm sure you aren't getting much if anything from Polar. And what you may get will not be what you want. Personally I have no desire to waste my time and a stamp. And why isn't anyone answering BELOMINS question?
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It seems to me that I answered this once already but let me check - -
Yup sure did.
Suggest you take a look at the company rumor board. Then go here and print out your card and send it in. Even the NMB thinks Atlas and Polar are merging. There is a merged list - and it should have arrived at the company yesterday, although why ALPA couldn't transmit it electronically is beyond me. So since there is a merged list, agreed to by both councils, then anyone on that list can send in a card. Last time I checked there were no NWA or UAL pilots on that list so why would the NMB accept cards from them?
Layin - Nice to see that the ground staff at FedEx is so sure of things these days. How's the view from the cheap seats?
BELOW - any and all Polar cards have been accepted so far - feel free to send yours in. Furloughed counts. If you are still on the seniority list somewhere your card is acceptable to the NMB.
Suggest you take a look at the company rumor board. Then go here and print out your card and send it in. Even the NMB thinks Atlas and Polar are merging. There is a merged list - and it should have arrived at the company yesterday, although why ALPA couldn't transmit it electronically is beyond me. So since there is a merged list, agreed to by both councils, then anyone on that list can send in a card. Last time I checked there were no NWA or UAL pilots on that list so why would the NMB accept cards from them?
Layin - Nice to see that the ground staff at FedEx is so sure of things these days. How's the view from the cheap seats?
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Will authorization cards from Polar crewmembers be counted toward the decertification of ALPA at Atlas?
And why isn't anyone answering BELOMINS question?
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Whale
From the NMB Representation Manual Section 9.207, Eligibility to Vote.
"Emoloyees working for another carrier, other than the carrier involved in the dispute, are ineligible."
Last time I checked Polar and Atlas are still separate carriers.
From the NMB Representation Manual Section 9.207, Eligibility to Vote.
"Emoloyees working for another carrier, other than the carrier involved in the dispute, are ineligible."
Last time I checked Polar and Atlas are still separate carriers.
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Last time I checked there was a merged seniority list, agreed on by both MECs; as well as a merged company, operating two certificates. The entire planet with the exception of Robbobin knows Atlas and Polar are merging. Even ALPA (finally) wants the single CBA finished. The seniority list is what the NMB will look at to determine if the cards were furnished by eligible pilots. Send in your cards and join your Polar brothers who can actually read the writing on the wall.
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Originally Posted by WhaleFR8
Last time I checked there was a merged seniority list, agreed on by both MECs; as well as a merged company, operating two certificates. The entire planet with the exception of Robbobin knows Atlas and Polar are merging. Even ALPA (finally) wants the single CBA finished. The seniority list is what the NMB will look at to determine if the cards were furnished by eligible pilots. Send in your cards and join your Polar brothers who can actually read the writing on the wall
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At this point I don't think it really matters. With Fuel at $3.81/gal. in the U.S., heaven knows wht it is overseas, and many fuel suppliers demanding cash up front prior to fueling; DHL reducing their presence in the U.S. by 34% and outsourcing the flying to UPS: the economies continuing to shrink: and the continuing assault on older aircraft by the FAA, there may not even be a merger.
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Hey Whale, reach down to your knees, if Mr. Cato doesn't plug you while your reaching then raise your hand upwards and see if you can find some balls. I hope it all works out for the regular Atlas crewmembers and the regular Polar folks. Looking at the way ya'll are going, I'm not very convident!
