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Cargolux details requested!

Old 8th Oct 2010, 11:00
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Question cargolux screening

Hello quianor!
Any news?
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 12:58
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Originally Posted by RVRRVR View Post
I would like to know how long it currently takes to move to the left. I know it's very long, but i would like to have a more precise idea (12? 15? 20???)
Based on a fleet of 16 you're looking at approx. 20 years.
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Old 8th Oct 2010, 13:00
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@RVRRVR.....I am, as always, amazed to read from candidates who haven't even passed the entrance test yet questioning about the time to command. I must be from a different generation.......
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Old 9th Oct 2010, 07:08
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I dont find that fact "amazing" at all actually.
Why would you not ask about that ?!?
I would want to know everything I could about a future job. Time to command is part of the descision to go for a job, or not.
You might be willing to accept the command process and time to command, if the overall "package" is good, and suits you.
Should time to command be some closely guarded secret ?!?
All he is doing, is asking. He didn´t say that he was ready for command now already, and could not wait a day longer to get it.
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Old 9th Oct 2010, 20:41
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@RVRRVR.....I am, as always, amazed to read from candidates who haven't even passed the entrance test yet questioning about the time to command. I must be from a different generation.......
True! It must be the current "buy-a-type-rating-with-any-low-cost-airline-and-get-a-command-in-just-3-years" generation.

I can understand that time to command is important to every pilot, but let's be honest, it should never be a principal reason for joining a company. The pricipal reasons should be; doing something you like, in a pleasant environment, that allows you to lead the lifestyle that best suits you.

Currently it can can indeed take a long time to command for new joiners, however as all old-timers can confirm, things can improve or deteriorate very quickly in the aviation industry.
Hypothetically speaking, if CLX goes bankrupt tomorrow then time to command goes to infinity, if there's a double dip recession time to command could increase to 40 years, yet if a major competitor goes bankrupt or CLX expands into a new market then time to command might be cut to +/- 5 years. Just pick a number and you can create a "time to command" scenario for it.

All in all, this whole "time to command" is just a snapshot in time, it's the way things are right now, so don't waste too much time on it as nobody can see 5-10-20 years into the future.

Instead, focus on more fundamental things like whether long haul freight flying is something you want to do, or do you want any job that gives you 4 stripes as soon as possible.
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 07:23
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You are very right, my friend !

There is nothing smooth on aviation. Or there is a bubbling market, and time to command is short, or you are in a deep descend whirlpool, where is almost impossible to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Who can guess the future ? No one can make such accurate predictions, so let's be rather positive. Things will be better. We shall not forget that we are living one of the worst crisis since 1929. Lucky us that we have a job in what we like to do.

My sincere congratulations to the new hires. It's fantastic to have you with us.
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 08:53
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Whoever joins a company WITHOUT asking for the expected time to command is a complete nutter.
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Old 10th Oct 2010, 10:59
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Hello there.

Does anyone have any info on how many will be hired, lets say in the next six months? When are the wetlease A/C leaving again?

Regards

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Old 11th Oct 2010, 16:01
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Hi,

@LBR: Merci pour l'info

@ Pow-wow: That's exactly what I meant.

I'm looking for an airline where I could spend most of my professionnal life and I don't think that asking for time to command is irrelevant.
Thank you however to the other contributors for sharing their point of view...

Enjoy your flights on the B748!
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Old 12th Oct 2010, 12:13
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Hi,

I would like to know how long it currently takes to move to the left. I know it's very long, but i would like to have a more precise idea (12? 15? 20???)

Thanks
Hi, are you referring to Peyronie's disease?
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Old 12th Oct 2010, 14:22
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Ha-haa...

what a cracker...!

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Old 16th Oct 2010, 08:44
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To all you Cargolux Guys...

Well, it's funny. The more you read this blog, the more it becomes true that there is no such thing as a perfect Job or a perfect marriage. It is you that make it work and always find the best compromise.
I have been flying for 10 years, started off as a B727 F/O in Latin America, then became a 737 F/O and a "Bus" driver on the 320. I am now a Captain on the 320 in the Asia/Pacific region. My career has taken me to fly all over the American Continent, Asia, Middle-East and Australasia.

And I would give up everything to become a Cargolux F/O.

Every airport you go to, you see a Cargolux airplane, whether in Bogota, Mexico City, Singapore, New York, Hong Kong. And for those of us who are still in love with our profession, despite all its shortfalls and frustrations, it means a lot to be able to fly the best aircraft to all over the place. I personally did not become a pilot so I could see my wife and kids every day, but like I said it is a very personal belief. I like flying, and for those of us who love it, bigger, faster and newer says it all...

My sincere admiration to all those Cargolux drivers. You are "sky's" finest. Every day I go to work, I tell myself..."If I could only join Cargolux..."
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Old 16th Oct 2010, 09:52
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Thumbs up

You are so rigth! And it's people like you, that we need in our company!
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Old 16th Oct 2010, 19:23
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My sincere admiration to all those Cargolux drivers. You are "sky's" finest. Every day I go to work, I tell myself..."If I could only join Cargolux..."
Ummm...Flyer 287....I think you are the sky's finest a million times more...no wait....infinity times more... than Clipermaro thinks you are the sky's finest!
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Old 16th Oct 2010, 21:13
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Hi Clippermaro,
even though you are over qualified, if it so much your wish to join,
what keeps you from it? As Flyer said, it is guys like you we need!
Is there a licence problem? We have seen a lot beeing possible in
CV if the right, and the wrong, people apply. Give it a try for your
and for our sake if it is what you want.
All the best and take care
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Old 16th Oct 2010, 21:31
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Ummm...Flyer 287....I think you are the sky's finest a million times more...no wait....infinity times more... than Clipermaro thinks you are the sky's finest!
Uncle Wiggily,
From where did you get this Hons degree in Compulsive Sarcasmology? Looking at your performance all over PPRuNe, it looks like you managed a brillant score. Like hell, I'll be terribly dissapointed if you tell me you missed a GPA of 4.0. Come on! don't get dishearted, you could always do better next time.
I am sorry at the moment there is no vacancy available anywhere for the post of Chief Sarcasmologist or I would have whole heartedly recommended your name.
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Old 17th Oct 2010, 08:14
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@clippermaro......

Does daddy know you used his computer......

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Old 17th Oct 2010, 08:53
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What do you mean my "daddy's computer"? Is that a joke? Haha, pretty bad one, I mean, I ain't laughing...Or is it just me? I wish I could sense your humor but...kinda hard, not gonna lie...

I also hold a Master Of Science in Aviation Management, if you really wanna know and was a Safety and QA Officer (not Manager) for some time in a middle-sized airline. But I'm not gonna lay down my CV, probably not the right forum to do so anyway...

Well, I do not have the right to work and live in Europe for a start...

Good luck to you all! Enjoy that flying. Like Singapore Airlines TV Advert says: "The romance of flying still lives on"...at least in a few guys here and there, like myself...
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Old 17th Oct 2010, 15:27
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clippermaro,

Obviously you don't know Cargolux...yes, flying the 747 all over the world is great, but a poor managment and very poor rostering department can make your life miserable...

It is a good job, no doubt, but stop the propaganda, it is also very demanding on your family and your health.

Cheers
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Old 18th Oct 2010, 10:42
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Good morning guys,

I received an invitation for the assesment at Saarlouis, so I took the time to read this thread very carefully. It is a wonderful thread with a lot of information concerning Cargolux.
Since a long time dreamt to work for that Company, finally when I read this thread there is not really doubt about this, but a few more questions to ask.
I hope I will get some answers.

I received some shedules, I know what to expect when working for Cargolux. Normally I will live "at home", which is about 200 km away from LUX. Along this thread I read things like "they will have an eye on you and whether you will move close to Luxembourg or not". It seems to be very important for the company to have the employees around them.
I think with 200 km I don´t have the longest way to go, but for sure it is not possible to reach LUX in 1 hour.
Now the question: I don´t understand for what it is important to reach LUX in 60 (90?) minutes? People before told us that you don´t have much standby-duties, if you are on tour you are far away from LUX and they won´t call you at the OFF-days. But at which point is it important to be at your base in 1 hours, when do they call you? Ahead of your trips to come 2 hours earlier? On you Floating OFF-days? And do they have after a longer time really a look for your living-place?

Second question is about my worries of the economic situation. I read some bad details along this thread, it was around 2008/2009. Cargolux wasn´t the only company with problems due to the financial crisis. But what´s today? Economy around the world seems to be rising, what about Cargolux? What I am interested in: For sure there is no guarantee, but at the moment I´m in a job - not the best one, but I have one - and if I do the decision for Cargolux, is the possibility really big that, after one year, they tell me to leave Cargolux because of the bad economic situation? Or does the company better again?

These are my two questions, very important for me, I would be glad about some answers. Thanks a lot!


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