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Star Air leases 11 Boeing 767 SF

Old 26th Nov 2004, 16:52
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Star Air leases 11 Boeing 767 SF

Press release of Nov. 26, 2004:

Star Air leases 11 Boeing 767 cargo aircraft to be delivered over a period of 14 months

Star Air which presently operates Boeing 757-200 Parcel Freighter will replace its entire fleet with larger cargo aircraft of the type Boeing 767-200 Special Freighter.

President of Star Air and Maersk Air, Finn Řelund, regards the replacement of the aircraft fleet as a milestone for Star Air and says: "Star Air was established in 1987 and has developed into a profitable business. The company primarily performs cargo flights for the American parcel distribution company United Parcel Service (UPS). The new cargo aircraft gives Star Air even better possibilities in the future to offer its services to other European customers".

With its main operations base in Cologne Airport (Germany) Star Air performs cargo flights mainly in Europe, and the new aircraft fleet shall contribute to a further development of the company's activities. The aircraft will primarily be engaged in operations for UPS, and in connection with the replacement of the aircraft fleet Star Air has entered into a long-term agreement with UPS regarding cargo flights in Europe.

All aircraft will be leased and operated under Danish aircraft nationality registration. The first two aircraft will be delivered in March respectively April 2005 while the remaining will be delivered successively between September 2005 and May 2006. The Boeing 767-200SF cargo aircraft are converted passenger aircraft capable of carrying 42 tonnes of cargo.

Star Air A/S is a wholly owned subsidiary of Maersk Air A/S and has its headquarter in Copenhagen.
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Old 26th Nov 2004, 23:50
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This being a rumor network I think I shall take everything you say with a 767 belly load of salt. Too much info matey.
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Old 27th Nov 2004, 05:33
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Where are the 757s going?
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Old 27th Nov 2004, 08:48
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Original Maersk Air press release

The 75's are probably heading for long term storage along the retired 72QFs
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Old 27th Nov 2004, 08:58
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woow......that was fast. i think you guys couldn't wait to
to publish it here......
anyway, its good that we can tell everybody now. how about
some pictures of the new one ? would certainly ruin the weekend
of some people of a certain union on the other side of the atlantic
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Old 27th Nov 2004, 12:56
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Anybody know where the B767-200s are being aquired from?

I presume there are quite a few passenger B762s stored around the world that could be converted to freighters.

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Old 27th Nov 2004, 14:41
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FlyingBeetle and all STAR pilots,

Congratulations on the good news for you! The B-767 is sure a lot better than the A-300 option. Will you now get back some of your lost flying?
From my side (current IPA pilot) there is no animosity in regards to how STAR contributes to the UPS operation. You "feed" us and we "feed" you on routes that we do not have authorization to fly. There are still lots of expansion opportunities in Europe and the Middle East so I think there is plenty of opportunities for both of us in the future regardless of how Open Skies progresses. I think it actually would be smart for our unions to develop a relationship to ensure that we both have good contracts when it comes to areas such as scheduling and compensation. It is UPS that does not want us to mingle and compare notes, and thus separate crew rooms in CGN.
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Old 27th Nov 2004, 16:40
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Smile

With my " Enthusiast's Hat " on , I believe the first 2 a/c are being sourced from Air New Zealand

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Old 27th Nov 2004, 17:04
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Old 29th Nov 2004, 19:45
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Cool

Really good news for all the pilots working for Star Air. (I feel sorry for the FE`s who sure don't like the news.) So what is going to be the requirement for the future hiring? How many pilots does Star Air has on furlough right now? And does any one know how long is the agreement between UPS Inc. and Star Air?

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Old 29th Nov 2004, 20:49
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Some 40 are on furlough.

The press release did not state the duration of the contract but with a project and investment of that magnitude and a contract history dating back from 1993, Star Air will be around for quite a number of years to come.
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Old 29th Nov 2004, 21:23
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I flew a trip recently with UPS' chief pilot for europe and she stated that when the Star contract comes up for renewal that UPS wants to put it up for competitive bidding. She implied that UPS was not entirely happy with Star, but would not elaborate on the reasons why. Since UPS owns the aircraft Star flies for us, it would be reasonable to assume that when the current Star routes needed upsizing that UPS would provide Star a UPS A300.

Could it be that Star is aquiring their own 767s in anticipation of possibly losing the UPS contract?
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Old 30th Nov 2004, 06:41
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BrowntailWhale , now is the the winter of your discontent ...

Doesn't the name Maersk ring a bell at all ?

Suggest your "chief pilot for europe" take a basic course in the subject of BUSINESS.
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Old 30th Nov 2004, 14:12
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From the web site Maersk sure looks like a well run conglomerate similar in many ways to how UPS does business. I see Maersk containers on trucks and trains here in the US all the time and their shipping terminal in EWR is huge. I wouldn't mind owning a few shares of their stock as well since the stock price is awesome.
But as far as I can tell Maersk (Star) is a UPS contractor like so many others. In that light I don't quite understand your last post, so would you mind enlightening us when you get a chance? As far as I know the main European UPS contractors are Star, Channel Express, Bluebird and MNG and the primary reason that they are contractors is to cover routes that UPS Airlines does not yet have the authority to fly. Star currently operates 4 757s which I assume will be returned to UPS Airlines as soon as your 767s are delivered. Am I missing something?

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Old 30th Nov 2004, 15:09
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i heard something about this the other night.

seems to make sense that one union represent the group operating for brown.

fbt

(flew with someone in the know--way above my pay grade--and it was mentioned many changes are happening and expected to happen with our international operations)
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Old 30th Nov 2004, 19:47
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Apart from apologizing for bending Shakespeare (King Richard III) into a bit of IPA bashing, I see no reason to explain my post(s).
Chief pilots are not business oracles - they just work for a living, some even owe their soul to the company store.
Study the press release and you will find your answers.
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Old 30th Nov 2004, 20:35
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Roger that! As you probably already have concluded, Shakespeare is not a strength of mine. That said, are there any thoughts out there on establishing cooperative relationships between different pilot groups that fly UPS packages? Obviously we will not agree on all issues, but professional relationships have their merits. Anyone?
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