Emerald latest??
Emerald latest??
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It looks like the ATP's are going to be based in LPL initially. After that, who knows?
Job wise? Not sure what's happening on the 748 fleet but I know they have had 6 resignations from the Shed fleet since late Nov/early Dec. I guess the employment situation will be clearer once the redundancy issue has been resolved. (With the resignation rate on the Shed I doubt it'll be a problem)
Job wise? Not sure what's happening on the 748 fleet but I know they have had 6 resignations from the Shed fleet since late Nov/early Dec. I guess the employment situation will be clearer once the redundancy issue has been resolved. (With the resignation rate on the Shed I doubt it'll be a problem)
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2 748 FO's have recently left Emerald for pastures new, along with 2 more and 4 Capt's have just left the fleet to go to the ATP. The 748 fleet remains at 14 aircraft and is desperately undercrewed, the situation made worse with the migration to the ATP. Crews have so many roster changes, they don't know whether they are coming or going and are constantly being requested to work days off.
Despite all this there seems to be a reluctance to take on more crew, when the programme completely falls down then something may get done about recruitment.
regards cz
Despite all this there seems to be a reluctance to take on more crew, when the programme completely falls down then something may get done about recruitment.
regards cz
I seriously doubt there will be any redundancies on either of the fleets. It was more than likely scare tactics all along to get the crews to keep quiet and do what they're told to.
What with more or less everyone desperate to leave I'm sure they'll be taking people onto both fleets in the near future.
What with more or less everyone desperate to leave I'm sure they'll be taking people onto both fleets in the near future.
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CZ,
No change there then, in either crew shortage or folks leaving.
They always were reluctant to hire sufficient crew and relied on ops/crewing being able to persuade people to work days off or to be able to trade days off and move the problem "to the right" for another shift to sort out.
Pilots seemed to use Emerald to buils hours before going to fly something shiney with a glass cockpit etc. Mind you, who can blame them?
No change there then, in either crew shortage or folks leaving.
They always were reluctant to hire sufficient crew and relied on ops/crewing being able to persuade people to work days off or to be able to trade days off and move the problem "to the right" for another shift to sort out.
Pilots seemed to use Emerald to buils hours before going to fly something shiney with a glass cockpit etc. Mind you, who can blame them?
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The way things are
Emerald airways has never been more to most than a stepping stone for Pilots wishing to get a start on the ladder, however there is a hardcore of Pilots who have been happy to work their days out for this airline.
Times are a changing at Emerald, even the hardcore are now fed up with the constant roster changes, badgering on days off and threats if they don't do what is asked of them.
Recently two First officers have left for pastures new (lucky them)
and four Captains and two First officers have been through the ground exam's on the ATP (and are now on office duties as they cannot return to the 748 fleet), this leaves Emerald 8 down on the 748 with no apparent planning having gone into place as to how they are to be replaced, this is leading to extra pressure on the rest of the 748 Pilots who where undercrewed even prior to losing these 8 people.
There was a threat of redundancy after losing the Royal mail contracts however Emerald appear to be doing the same if not more than prior to losing the contracts, emerald has in fact picked up another contract out of Aberdeen.
Currently Emerald is running significantly less than two crews an Aircraft on the 748 fleet.
My question is-- When is this going to end so we can get back to some sort of normality in our personal lives.
A warning to all who desire a job at Emerald, you might want your first airline job more than anything else in the world, having got a start you will very quickly become disillusioned
The FTL scheme is a legal maximum and not a target for the company to achieve.
I welcome any replies from Pilots in Emerald, I think this has gone on long enough.
I know all Pilots feel the same way about this and any replies of a critical nature will be dismissed as from the non Pilot community.
Happy days are here again!!!!!!
Times are a changing at Emerald, even the hardcore are now fed up with the constant roster changes, badgering on days off and threats if they don't do what is asked of them.
Recently two First officers have left for pastures new (lucky them)
and four Captains and two First officers have been through the ground exam's on the ATP (and are now on office duties as they cannot return to the 748 fleet), this leaves Emerald 8 down on the 748 with no apparent planning having gone into place as to how they are to be replaced, this is leading to extra pressure on the rest of the 748 Pilots who where undercrewed even prior to losing these 8 people.
There was a threat of redundancy after losing the Royal mail contracts however Emerald appear to be doing the same if not more than prior to losing the contracts, emerald has in fact picked up another contract out of Aberdeen.
Currently Emerald is running significantly less than two crews an Aircraft on the 748 fleet.
My question is-- When is this going to end so we can get back to some sort of normality in our personal lives.
A warning to all who desire a job at Emerald, you might want your first airline job more than anything else in the world, having got a start you will very quickly become disillusioned
The FTL scheme is a legal maximum and not a target for the company to achieve.
I welcome any replies from Pilots in Emerald, I think this has gone on long enough.
I know all Pilots feel the same way about this and any replies of a critical nature will be dismissed as from the non Pilot community.
Happy days are here again!!!!!!
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Another worthwhile post by dada I see......
However, before others slate him for this most recent contribution to an Emerald related discussion, it has to be noted that his opinions are at least consistent.......
However, before others slate him for this most recent contribution to an Emerald related discussion, it has to be noted that his opinions are at least consistent.......
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Maybe Dada is all that is espoused here, however, you have to admit that what he writes here is what most people who work/have worked there think about the way it is run. It's just a shame he can't put into real words his feelings and reasons. Mind you, years of juggling crews/broken aircraft and commercial stabbing the program in the back every 5 mins has probably melted his language chip beyond recognition.
Nothing seems to have changed. I haven't been there for many years now and count myself extremely lucky to have escaped. If dada has indeed warned people of this situation then management, especially very senior management, are unlikely to have listened as they just don't want to know. Never did and never will. Unlike big D, I will give a f'rinstance. Take the day the commercial manager came up to ops one afternoon and asked if there was any chance we could do a trip. Can't remember exactly where but somewhere in Norway rings a bell. After crewing and ops and everyone had a good look at the rosta it was decided we just had no way we could do it and still protect the flypro for the next couple of days. This was duly reported to him along with the reasons. Five mins later up he pops and tells us thet the trip is on and he knows we will somehow get a crew together and make the flypro work as well. We did the usual and begged, borrowed, offered extra days off etc and smartly moved the problem a couple of days to the right as usual, lest ops be in the dwang again with "he who must be obeyed" and be called the shower of stuff that dada keeps saying the place is.
It's not going to change until something drastic happens and that will be a crying shame as there are/were good people working there who are/were totally unappreciated and frequently abused both literally and verbally.
I know it's unpopular to agree with dada, but they really are the shower he suggests.
I'll take my pill now and I'm sure I'll feel better soon!
Nothing seems to have changed. I haven't been there for many years now and count myself extremely lucky to have escaped. If dada has indeed warned people of this situation then management, especially very senior management, are unlikely to have listened as they just don't want to know. Never did and never will. Unlike big D, I will give a f'rinstance. Take the day the commercial manager came up to ops one afternoon and asked if there was any chance we could do a trip. Can't remember exactly where but somewhere in Norway rings a bell. After crewing and ops and everyone had a good look at the rosta it was decided we just had no way we could do it and still protect the flypro for the next couple of days. This was duly reported to him along with the reasons. Five mins later up he pops and tells us thet the trip is on and he knows we will somehow get a crew together and make the flypro work as well. We did the usual and begged, borrowed, offered extra days off etc and smartly moved the problem a couple of days to the right as usual, lest ops be in the dwang again with "he who must be obeyed" and be called the shower of stuff that dada keeps saying the place is.
It's not going to change until something drastic happens and that will be a crying shame as there are/were good people working there who are/were totally unappreciated and frequently abused both literally and verbally.
I know it's unpopular to agree with dada, but they really are the shower he suggests.
I'll take my pill now and I'm sure I'll feel better soon!
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Civil Servant,
An interesting post.
So who exactly there is doing the verbal and "literal"(?) abuse ? And in what way ? ( "literal" suggests "physical" !)
In the instance you quoted, was pressure put on ops/crewing from the commercial manager who in turn was having his collar felt from above ? Surely if a trip is not viable because of the detriment to crews in the immediate period then someone should stand up and say no ?
Did the trip go-ahead ? What was the knock-on affect ?
When you say things won't change until something drastic happens ... in what way ?
Where is the underlying problem here ? There has to be a simple root cause that needs addressing ?
An interesting post.
So who exactly there is doing the verbal and "literal"(?) abuse ? And in what way ? ( "literal" suggests "physical" !)
In the instance you quoted, was pressure put on ops/crewing from the commercial manager who in turn was having his collar felt from above ? Surely if a trip is not viable because of the detriment to crews in the immediate period then someone should stand up and say no ?
Did the trip go-ahead ? What was the knock-on affect ?
When you say things won't change until something drastic happens ... in what way ?
Where is the underlying problem here ? There has to be a simple root cause that needs addressing ?
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ghost rider,
No, no physical beatings as I perhaps may have unintentionally intimated, just a general bullying on the emotional level. Being made to feel worthless, being sworn at regularly and having ones working life being made a misery. I once saw a lady crying at her desk after having an early morning "morale booster" on the phone from a senior manager.
If you want to send me a private message I'm willing to discuss it more, but otherwise it would be a pointless exercise and perhaps being seen as trying to do mischief which I do not wish to do.
No, no physical beatings as I perhaps may have unintentionally intimated, just a general bullying on the emotional level. Being made to feel worthless, being sworn at regularly and having ones working life being made a misery. I once saw a lady crying at her desk after having an early morning "morale booster" on the phone from a senior manager.
If you want to send me a private message I'm willing to discuss it more, but otherwise it would be a pointless exercise and perhaps being seen as trying to do mischief which I do not wish to do.