Cougar.....no more
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From: Global
Exxon-Valdez and Engineer, we all know who you are!!!Thanks for confirming a couple of lose ends.Do you
guys spend to much time on your mobile phones maybe?
To Papa Noel and 3000 PSI, you guys have seen the Big
Picture for a long time now! Be wise and play your cards
close to your chest, it will all come out in the dirty wash, I
would say later rather than sooner. Lets take our time on
this one Guys!!!!!
Cool 4 Cats!!!
Oops pardon me
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From: Manchester England
As the sun goes down.......
The industry is full of airliners making people pay these days for yer type rating. Easy Jet and Ryanair to name a few. Perhaps Keith got his fingers burned in the Sabre days when some individuals came, reaped then nobbed off rapid style. I am sorry for all you guys who didnt get payed and its hard to be sympathetic when the bank managers is on yer back. But all you can do is try another port in a storm. If you read these forums, there is always someone having a go at de management. Its human nature. And where does it get you being bitter and twisted? You have flown probably one of the great jets of our time when others were button pushing and were longing to have a pole around the skies instead of letting the box of tricks do it for you. You are better pilots for it believe me.
Let Cougar RIP and move on to the next adventure!
Coopervane
Let Cougar RIP and move on to the next adventure!
Coopervane
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From: Alba Prime
ND and JN gone
The B727's were ferried to the USA via SNN
today. I have heard they will be going to
South America and will be flying, so the
rumour about being parted out was just that.
They were not flown by Cougar crews.
today. I have heard they will be going to
South America and will be flying, so the
rumour about being parted out was just that.
They were not flown by Cougar crews.
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From: Global
Exxon-Valdez
I am sorry you are so scared, but I was scared when I joined Cougar, to see the likes off yourself working in a professional industry. Maybe when Britian join the EU there will be a Laws brought in to short you out!!!!!
As for getting over it, thanks to the likes of you, I built a bridge in the early days of Cougar and got over it a long time ago!!!!Ameigo!
"Ride on see you"
Cool 4 Cats!
I am sorry you are so scared, but I was scared when I joined Cougar, to see the likes off yourself working in a professional industry. Maybe when Britian join the EU there will be a Laws brought in to short you out!!!!!
As for getting over it, thanks to the likes of you, I built a bridge in the early days of Cougar and got over it a long time ago!!!!Ameigo!
"Ride on see you"
Cool 4 Cats!
Nice Guy!
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From: uk
Hey coopervane,
Keepin ok I hope ? does the thought of me & ye drivin' the 'ol' 72 around europe again frighten ya ??? hope so !! cos ya never no, it might just happen very soon, I Kid !!!!!!!!!!
PS: been to Yorky Towers lately ? how is the old B****r ?
Keepin ok I hope ? does the thought of me & ye drivin' the 'ol' 72 around europe again frighten ya ??? hope so !! cos ya never no, it might just happen very soon, I Kid !!!!!!!!!!
PS: been to Yorky Towers lately ? how is the old B****r ?
Terrified!
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From: abroad
Well at last it does seem as if they have gone and it couldnt have happened to a better managment. Good luck to the good guys and remember you allways go on to something better. As for the little people sincerly hope they are never seen in Aviation again and it will be a better place. RIP
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From: Sunny Med
Rumour that the Cougar boss planning to re-start with something heavy. Hope that all the ex-employees now paid and that they are offered jobs in the new outfit. Good luck guys. I hope that things work out well for all of you.
Best wishes.
Best wishes.
Thread Starter
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From: South of Boston
Inch' allah......
Thanks for your best wishes stability jane,
But this will be out of reach for us all....as we are not TUPOLEV type rated and are neither russian or egyptian.....but I' ll love to be paid at least !!!
But this will be out of reach for us all....as we are not TUPOLEV type rated and are neither russian or egyptian.....but I' ll love to be paid at least !!!
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From: Purdah
To All ex Cats,and their families,
No matter how bad things are at the moment and we are all suffering being owed so much money. Be positive and keep working together to get justice.
Many of our husbands had their salary cheques bounced several days before the administration order was granted and this is causing incredible stress and pain.
Keep gathering evidence and knowledge.Eventually if necessary the Serious Fraud Office can be involved.
If you marry a pilot and stay with him long enough you will have seen this all before.Non of these executives seemed very bright from what my xxxxxxx said and their contempt for professional aircrew will be their downfall.
See you in Court !
No matter how bad things are at the moment and we are all suffering being owed so much money. Be positive and keep working together to get justice.
Many of our husbands had their salary cheques bounced several days before the administration order was granted and this is causing incredible stress and pain.
Keep gathering evidence and knowledge.Eventually if necessary the Serious Fraud Office can be involved.
If you marry a pilot and stay with him long enough you will have seen this all before.Non of these executives seemed very bright from what my xxxxxxx said and their contempt for professional aircrew will be their downfall.
See you in Court !
Jolly Green Giant
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From: Dublin, Ireland
I know little about the Cougar situation Miss T Fayed, there are always two sides to every story. Very easy to have a go at management, they're always an easy target. Unless you or your husband have sat at the boardroom table you have no idea about managing an airline and how bloody difficult it is. So a few of you haven't got paid, you're pilots you WILL find other work. How do you think managament of a failed airline will fare? I mean after they've finished with the bankruptcy proceedings, the bankers, the lawyers, creditors, the recievers etc. You think they'll find a job easily? Maybe one or more of the directors gave personal guarantees to the bankers to secure funds, you know what that means when the business closes?
Bottom line is pilots can walk away with no strings attached. Not so easily done for those in charge.
Bottom line is pilots can walk away with no strings attached. Not so easily done for those in charge.
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From: Somewhere between here and there....
Unless you or your husband have sat at the boardroom table you have no idea about managing an airline and how bloody difficult it is.
If this company is thinking of launching again with a different type then I know for sure, questions will be asked and it won't just be people on Pprune who'll be asking them.
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From: South of Boston
Dear Mister oneworld
Bottom line is pilots can walk away with no strings attached. Not so easily done for those in charge.
Dear mister "Green Giant " what' s your background ? how many line check ? how many OPC/LPC ? How many 1st class medical ? How many type rating, CRM, SEP, Dangerous good......etc !!! have done in the last 12 months ?!?!
How many exams have you taken to seat at the board ?????
I sure walk away from the airplane with no string attached..... but just like all my colleagues I walk...... on a thigh rope since the first day of my carriere, and its getting worst ... every years thanks to a certain category of " Managers "
We' ve reach the 21st century and its knowledge and expertise we're expecting from the board of directors and
not gambling on the " Kriegspiel " board at our expense
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From: Purdah
One World, your name is very apt or should it read Lost World.
Your condescending comments are typical of someone who
presumes that anyone who expects ethical behaviour from Management in whatever guise has little understanding of business.
Perhaps, if you are interested you should find some facts about what happened at Cougar before making generalisations.
Business is tough and so is life,but there is a significant difference between balancing the accounts and blatently cheating and lying to loyal employees!
I think from your comments that maybe you are more upset that a mere female should use this forum to voice an opinion.
Perhaps you would be surprised that I am the owner of a small ETHICAL Aviation business as well as being a pilot. So like other women ( eg Barbara Cassani), standing by my my husband and have a little bit of a brain and understanding Aviation business are not necessarily mutually exclusive to people like you!
Your condescending comments are typical of someone who
presumes that anyone who expects ethical behaviour from Management in whatever guise has little understanding of business.
Perhaps, if you are interested you should find some facts about what happened at Cougar before making generalisations.
Business is tough and so is life,but there is a significant difference between balancing the accounts and blatently cheating and lying to loyal employees!
I think from your comments that maybe you are more upset that a mere female should use this forum to voice an opinion.
Perhaps you would be surprised that I am the owner of a small ETHICAL Aviation business as well as being a pilot. So like other women ( eg Barbara Cassani), standing by my my husband and have a little bit of a brain and understanding Aviation business are not necessarily mutually exclusive to people like you!