how Many are leaving ??
 

I hear quite a few guys are off to UPS/Fedx from the US bases, many driven by the "Fear Factor" associated with the wonderful CX training machine.................................but to add insult to injury the word is that several guys are giving notice to join Oasis.......................

'bout time for that elusive pay rise ???

anyone any accurate info as to how many are jumping ship ???

In January, there were about 9. Not sure where they all went.

I ran across a piece of paper on a desk of a manager in the crew leave/license office on the 3rd that was labeled "RESIGNEEs" and just had a glance at it before she quickly jerked it out of my view.

Not just FEDEX/UPS doing the damage, lots are returning to United.

I wonder what made CX think they could retain these people once the dusts settle in the U.S.

Arrogance? no not Cathay management!!

Are they leaving for pension's and medical benefits?:}

Maybe we should polish those fancy new jets we're getting!:ugh:

Face it guys, they won't give us a pay-rise until it's way too late.:*

No, there will be an offer of pay for productivity which will be to the companies advantage, you'll vote it down. The company and GC won't like the outcome so it will be put up for vote again, and guess what? Motion carried!
Outcome........ more worK for less pay.
But it is legal.

Fairly sure that 5 Oz based Classic drivers are going to Oasis. Mix of Capts & Effos.

Interesting times.

A friend of mine just took a recall to a US major and said there was one CX guy currently in class there and another one slated for the next class!

Oasis
 

I've been in touch with Oasis and will give it serious consideration when they take DECs again, currently FOs only and HKG base. There are currently several other guys looking at it, particulary FOs looking for a quick command.

Confused!
 

:sad: How does the Cathay pay scale compare with Oasis? Or vice versa! Doesn't CX offer medical benefits? Accomodation allowance? If Cathay is the beez neez.. why would they opt for oasis or fedex? Forgive my igorance... just wondering!

For FOs Oasis may give you an earlier command. For Captains the base you want and better lifestyle. Its all about choices!

I heard of a few guys who went over to HONGKONGOasis after they were sh!it-canned from Cathay Pacific. You guys are saying that there are people who just packed up and left on your own accord?

HolySmokies! Is it that bad here?

A "Career airline" would normally not have to deal with masses of people jumpsing ship. What's next? Guys leaving for CRAirways?

Dear Officers,

Due to the continuing heavy tasks in May 2007, we are advised by Crew Planning to reduce the number of leave bookings. Therefore, we are inviting volunteers to cancel their leave in this month.

If insufficient number of volunteers come forward, we will have to cancel leave in reverse order of points. We are sorry that Crew Planning cannot guarantee which alternatives can be offered at this stage, we strongly recommend you to go through the pool process to bid for some other time which is available.

Thank you for you assistance in advance.

Best regards


not short of crew now are we ??? and another 7 about to resign to go to Oasis, plus more US guys leaving shortly...........................

sizematters

Out of interest..... did B744 guys get that groupwise? Nothing on the airbus side... although my leave is not in May.

Just wondering on what fleet they are hurting the most.... crewing wise?

"A "Career airline" would normally not have to deal with masses of people jumpsing ship. What's next? Guys leaving for CRAirways?"

It's Hong Kong Airlines, and give it about 12 months and I bet you will see it happen,:eek:

Why exactly are people leaving???? Pay, conditions?????????

Aussie

I enjoyed cpdude's comments!

The reason people are leaving is quite simple. The pro's that were part of the everyday of working for Cathay are no longer there. Slash medical, increased housing prices, increased pollution, insumountable BS to get your command. Why not go to Oasis? A lot less stress for not much less loot. Swire will never learn that they can treat people like human beings and still run a company. All they have is a group of scared 'Yes' men so up to their eye balls in personal debt that they daren't say boo to the employer that has become their bank manager. As they chop and slash all the conditions the reason for being there and putting up with all their anal crap becomes void. You can't have it both ways Swire. If you're going to treat us like !!!!e then at least have the decency to provide us with adequate salaries to compensate for the fact we have to put up with a 3 hour debrief for reading one line of a checklist incorrectly at 4AM in the sim having just got back from another wonderful sandpit pattern the morning before while our families live in a polluted rat hole. Oh, and I am sorry that I said "Set and Checked" instead of "Checked and Set" on my last PC.... Get a life losers........

Oasis sounds good to me.... I'm there dudes.......Cathay :yuk: :yuk:

You can have it.........................................

oasis contact
 

Could anyone tell me the best method of contact for Oasis. Would like to discuss options but dont want to submit on line application yet ? Thanks

abortt , simply go down to slashers arms and conduct yourself with a bit of dignity and those considerate gentlemen will have a chat with you in a very civil fashion. Given the appropriate experience and I am sure they will snap you up promptly. Good Luck.

With respect you can wring your hands until the cows come home. This company only understands aircraft parked up with Swire directors baying for their blood. Only then will things change - but don't hold your breath. Certain enlightened middle managers CAN see the problem areas but they are not able to get the message through to the higher stratas. The higher stratas are basically in denial.

Those officers electing to vote with their feet are taking the matter into their own hands. They have rediscovered their gonads.

Enlightened middle managers????? Not on the fleets that OASIS are recruiting from! (Kelvin and the Rubber Plant) :rolleyes: :ugh: :rolleyes:

Well said. They will learn that their arrogance is mis placed. I think they are in for a rude shock. I agree with the morale issue at Cathay. Basically the problem is there isn't any. They just don't realise it takes more than hosting a poxy carnival at the end of each year to keep the staff happy. I think the training dept should also shoulder some of the blame for the morale issues. They make life at CX miserable. It really is a miserable place to work. Oh, and before I get the barrage of "why don't you just leave", I'm trying trust me!!:ok: :ok:

As online retail sales continues to climb, UPS, FEDEX and the Postal Service will have to deliver more and more packages. That is good news for drivers, pilots, airplane mechanics etc.

Home delivery has been on the rise and will continue to be driven by the need to save time.

This trend should continue until someone invents a Star Trek - like teleportation system or replicator system. So don't hold your breath, delivery services look very, very good for a long time to come.

So why are our wages falling in an emerging economy?

Cedar-

Generally speaking, the reason is because of a declining yield due to increased competition. Look at CX's yield per ATK and you will see it is slightly down. In the US we use pattern bargaining. What does CX use to determine pilot wages, its own company's financial performance or patterns among the competitors?

BTK, if you check the posts from 'The Management' all will become crystal clear......:uhoh:

Yikes!!

I was hoping that was satire.

Just heard through the vine that the numbers are more like 30 to UPS and 9 (so far) to Oasis. Let the good times roll!! This really makes me smile.:ok:

Tryhard,

Between you and me, I am not sure who is more bitter?:D :D Really though, a flying job is hard to come by, let alone a good flying job. I am happy to see these folks able to move on to something better. Some of us left very good positions to come to Cathay thinking it was the final destination, and Cathay Pacific defnitely has the potential and I am sure at one point in time was the flying job! But sadly, the training environment and intimidation tactics have made it unbearable to put up with and many as someone else said; have "voted with their feet".

Good luck to them and the rest of us out there!

Kung Hey Fat Choy to all, may the fat pig bring us good fortune and more fours and fives on the ERAS reports.

Come on A/T, flying jobs aren't hard to come by. In fact you can basically write your own ticket these days, as long as you're no a complete twit! I do however agree with the "GOOD" statement. A good employer in hard to find! I think CX basically are the same as any low coster now. No conditions, apathetic mangement, poor career path in general. The glory days at Cathay are well and truly over. We in part have the A scalers to thank for that. Basically we keep signing our own death warrant every time we vote in these stupid elections. Until the pilot body has the bollocks to stand up and say enough is enough we really are no better off than the guys at Easyjet or Britannia. It really is sliding downhill fast.

No one will ever stand up, it didn’t happen when the 49ers were fired.

The ones that try, the DFO will fire another round and everyone will fall into line.

You either vote with your feet or you stay and take what CX gives to you. They are the options.

tryhard wrote:
We in part have the A scalers to thank for that. Basically we keep signing our own death warrant every time we vote in these stupid elections.

How did you work that out? Most of your 'guilty' A scalers left the AOA in disgust years ago. AOA members not only have themselves to blame but are responsible for effecting the lives of all aircrew in CX. Made your bed, then sleeep in it.

It is a bit of a paradox when the new joiners complain about the loss of conditions and then criticise the older fraternity from staying on. Are the newbies aware that the loss of conditions also effect the oldies as well. In some cases more than you think or perhaps want to think.

Economies of scale 7ff. You earn 3 times as much as I do for doing the same job. What do you care if they cut medical or housing. The effect on your disposable income is negligible. Just reach into the pocket and fish out the hundreds, or downsize the apartment to 4000 sq feet! Want a holiday? Dip into the travel fund that doesn't exist for us B Grade citizens and have a free weekend in Phuket. What you oldies need to realise is that B scale conditions are barely adequate. We are the ones who suffer with the slash and burn mentality. I'm sorry but if you are an A scaler I don't pity you one bit. You've had it easy for far too long. No Breitling watches here mate.

"The consequence of a global economy is really very simple. If the world operates as one big market, every employee will compete with every person anywhere in the world who is capable of doing the same job. There are a lot of people out there, and many of them are very hungry." Andy Grove, Intel. You may not agree, but it has much truth behind it. Already many of the young Cathay/ Swire managers are from the Mainland

What is Cathay paying for FOs?

Not as much as they used to!!! QED...

HKG based F/O.

$56,000HKG
$25,000HKG housing

That's a miles better package than Cathay, I'll be streets ahead there. Better get in before the stampede starts...................................When I hear CX referred to as a LCC I think people need to get out more often.

Albatross, I'd gladly give this job away for Oasis. The BS at CX, with constant bickering, no morale, endless crap from the trainers makes me want to do myself in.. I'd gladly give away a few dollars to be rid of these overbearing bunch of white collar thugs.......

So when do u leave Tryhard?

Why people leave
 

Greetings fellow aviatiors. I quit and left, and this is my first return to this site, mainly out of curiousity for the rumours that more are leaving. Here is the shortlist...
1-Rotten corporate culture, with intimidation and fear the only way managment knows how to operate.
2-Training is not objectionate. Sim and PC grades vary wildly depending on which sky god is doing the grading, and how bitter and twisted that individual might be.
3-Pay is not good enough to live in Hong Kong, and the taxes are a major inconvenience. It looks good on paper, but it is hard to save in that job.

Now is a an excellent time to venture out to another company. Life is too short to cling to the hope that things will get better there. They won't. It is rotten from the top down. Get your wife family on your side, and get out there and start looking! Good things will happen. Life is too short.

I got the 800 pound gorilla off my back. I know you want to do it too!!!

Sounds like an S/O not Trying hard enough!:E

Oasis doesn't hire S/O's!