Rice Pudding Rank? DESO or DEFO? Repatriated to where?

@babymike737,

it´s all done online these days. Just go to www.cathaypacific.com and fill out an application.

repatriated = he was sent home !!

OK ??

Guys im sorry..its sad to say..but the future is not the majors..the future is LCC!!!yes also for long haul...its just a matter of time

LCCs are not the future
 

I disagree

LCCs always come and go but never stay.

The LCC is usually headed by one person who mismanages the company, takes the money and runs, gets absorbed sold or liquidated or is forced to fly puny routes due to the sake of governors ruling the routes in which the major airline flies to preserve 'quality' that a LCC never has or equipment restriction (range and capacity). You need an airplane bigger than a 737 to survive! This is one of the fate sealers of a LCC. Of course Sir Freddie did ok with a DC10 but where is he?

LCCs always are in training mode. When the employee has enough experience tucked under their belt, whether it be hours or years with a clean record they bolt for the major airline for better compensation and pension. This is how a LCC is run....cut labour costs and run a no-frills outfit and attract the minimum experience labourer.

Sometimes, a savvy owner might get smart with fuel hedging or some other form of diversification to keep the LCC alive and in competition but it usually is short lived.

The LCC if it survives evolves into something other than a LCC. Labour costs can only be controlled for a short while due to unions and the cyclical nature of hiring and furloughing in this industry. When you can't leave a LCC because no one is hiring then you stay...if you stay long enough it is sometimes better to remain there and let your union have more leverage through population of membership...and therefore through contracts increasing your wage and compensation raher than leave for a major airline.

I think that the statement should read:

LCCs have a small place in the future rather than LCCs are the future.

I am still looking for air wal-mart and air aldi's to start flying...

tnx for a great forum!

Quote from babymike737 a few posts back:

"Just a quick question for you if you can help. I would like to join Cathay Pacific. I love Hong Kong, I love Sim checks, and I love this forum..."

CX is gonna love you !!!!

Thats a lota love!

742
well talk about this in 10 yrs time

How com you didn't mention:

Air South
Kiwi International Airlines
Pan American World Airways (not original)
Kiwi International Airlines
Sunjet International/Myrtle Beach Jet Express
Eastwind Airlines
Access Air
Tower Air
Pro Air
Legend Airlines
National Airlines
Midway Airlines
Vanguard Airlines
TransMeridian Airlines
Independence Air
Hooters Air

LCCs
 

Sodapoop := tsk tsk...calling me Europe boy...keep it grown up please.

SWA is an anomaly and a rarity ..I give you that.

Please cite some more examples of LCCs that haven't turned into a legacy carrier or went tango uniform...SWA is on the verge (maybe already is) of being a legacy carrier with its labour costs increasing every year/every contract. They too will soon feel a pinch like every other major airline does. Oh...AirTran..just around a few years and limited on growth due to the FAA imposed restriction on ValueJet and yet they even had to take a paycut after 9-11...otherwise they would have furloughed...keep labour costs low, it is the only card the LCC can play or not grow regionally.

I posted as well that in order to keep competitive on a global scale you need something other than a small jet like the 737 and LCCs do not offer the 'quality' that passengers desire on long hauls. Peanuts and pick your own seat doesn't cut it from London to Hong Kong but it might from Dallas to Las Vegas.

It needs to be more than that we are talking people here not cattle.

Like I said you can make a great bet when the fuel is priced low but sooner or later you have to pay the same high price as every other cheap airline or turn to solar panels but then not fly at night.

Remember that SWA also had a very tidy agreement with the city of Dallas and the Governor of Texas...no landing fees, no parking fees, monopoly on that field...it allowed it a great deal of room to make a profit for many years while other LCCs came and went without having the same advantage.

Herbie did pretty good with that 'Love'bug and all he had to do was do a touch and go at neighbouring state.

Very tidy indeed.

Again, thanks for a great forum...it gets better everyday.

EuropeBoy signing off. lol

The loss rate from CX is not solely confined to the FTR fleet, but it’s interesting that the FTR fleet significantly figures in the situation.

From my post elsewhere in the Forum, some relevant information:

Freighter Problem
 

I think CX are trying to "plug the dyke" short term by offering a Sydney roster for -400 guys. This is a short term roster to crew the freighter on passenger pay. Of course the shortage is not a Sydney base problem as such - its a Freighter wide shortage, so while your family might be based in Sydney for a few months, you will more than likely be spending most of your time disrupted around North America !

They are also drafting alot of airbus pilots onto the -400 right now. The assumption is I think that many of them might also crew the -400 freighter, as alot of the existing -400 crew have removed their names from the freighter operators list.

The history behind the current freighter problem is from when they employed alot of North American furloughed pilots. CX made them resign from their previous positions, but under the furlough rules no resignations are recognised. These chaps are now steadily being offered their old positions back in order of seniority. CX freighters is the lowest paying North American -400 operator, so its difficult to attract new pilots beyond the short term. There are always those who come for a type rating and the typical 1000 hours on type. So, the current pilots are leaving, fewer new pilots are joining, and the passenger pilots don't want to crew the freighter either. (Well, some do, there are always those who don't see the big picture)

This might finally be time for CX to raise the freighter pay scales if the supply/demand forces prevail.

You might also be suprised to know that discounting A scalers, the average pay at Southwest outpaces CX, especially based crew. Freighter pay can't even come close!

guys well said..i donno where u are but i am pretty sure , from what i see, that in 10 years time theres gonna be 4-5 conventional carriers around europe and the rest will be LCCs.And flying for a good,big,organized LCC isnt bad at all!

Anyone seen this?
 

A340/A330 operator to fly out of Oz.
www.skyairworld.com and go to careers.
Interesting food for thought!

Moderator....
 

Actually nothing interesting, you are just advertising.

What is your point?

One 744 line Captain resigned and 2 Local cadets just joined Oasis. One BTC 744 just resigned from the training position. Any more or is it just rumour?

New york based F/O just resigned over Easter and a few more letters will be on the way upstairs soon................unless they decide to play it smart and give the 20% pay increase that Emirates just got !!!!

Sizematters,
Emirates rise is apparently 6% wef 1st June. Not that I would mind getting that. Its better than nothing.:)

hey, why let the truth spoil a good rumour.........................??? The point is we are Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long, long,Long, long, long,...............phew, overdue a considerable INCREASE..............like 5 or 6 years at 3% per annum = ????

This impotent Union will never sucessfully negotiate a payrise without considerable sacrifice to the members. Instead of your useless proxy every month, vote with your feet!!

Hostile23. Agreed, but to take it further.

If the Committee Members were to actually become more aggressive, CX will still tell them to get stuffed. The AOA would say “work to rule” or “contract compliance” or whatever. At that point everyone will run for cover not wanting to be the next 49er.

You see, it’s not the Union; it’s the pilots that make up the union.

The Committee members know this and negotiate accordingly.

Our conditions will continue to deteriorate (look at the current Re-threads working for less that B-Scale) until we are all down to the Air China conditions.

Very few will ever vote with their feet. It’s the devil you know sort of stuff.

Good luck with it all and Happy Flying.

CX
 

Wow, I thought the grass was usually greener on the other side. But I guess not. I know a couple of fellas who were just hired by CX for the DEFO NA. And they were soooo excited to start class and their new career with CX. I just hope they don't read this and other similar threads - might get discouraged. However, this forum and the wannabe one seemed to have been super helpful in assisting a lot of pilots prepare for their interviews and a slight peek at their prospective new career with CX.

How about ANA's contract pilot deals? Are any guys leaving for it? I read the FO's are paid US$11-12k/month and Capts. US$14-16k/month to start on the 767's for 5 years + bonus at completion.

Very interesting read guys. I hope for the best. You guys work your *ss off to keep the company on top and the management treat you like s#*t it seems. From what I've read on other threads, you guys should not demand nothing less than an industry-leading contract and pay.

Good luck. Just my 2 cents.

Another S/O has apparantly left just now. Resigning with 4 days notice and leaving the uniform at Vogue - ha.. Class!

Apparantly going to stay at home and fly business jets - less pay - more fun - an no CX bull!!!! to put up with.
Yes the numreos are on the rise.. :D

Cheers,
Y

mmm, almost as good as one of the guys who left recently during line training who said not a word but laid his uniform out on the bed in the hotel, arranged his manuals etc neatly in the room, packed his bag and flew back to US to join UPS...............................beautifully done.

Sizematters

You're kidding?!

You just gotta love that one! Great stuff.......

WOW.. That guy is my Hero.

That's leaving with Style.

There are a fair number of folk on the UK base with resignation letters at the ready in case this doesn't get sorted out by the end of June. In fact the last chap I spoke to said he'd be resigning in May to give a bit of a buffer with an Oct 1st deadline and 3 months notice . It would be a shame to lose 40% of one's provident fund to the tax man on one stroke just beacause you got caught by a few days!

When they start parking aircraft due to lack of crew, more than a few heads will roll.

When that happens, wages, retention bonuses, conditions etc will suddenly improve. But until that happens, the company will fall over themselves to pretend that it is "operations normal".

Rumour has it that the three seat freighters are now in a perilous position and will fold first. There is a lot of fancy footwork going on to hide it from the powers that be.

Watch this space...

Rumour has it that the three seat freighters are now in a perilous position and will fold first. There is a lot of fancy footwork going on to hide it from the powers that be.


I have picked up on that too.

well lets hope rostering/crewing keep up the good work !!

nice to know they are helping the cause............!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At a recent Fleet Forum Kelvin was alleged to have said that the 'line in the sand' for the Classic freighters was as follows:

1 CF6 leaves 3rd quarter 2008

2 CF6 leave third quarter 2009

3 D4 freighters leave end 2011

1 Classic may have to be parked this summer due to the exodus of F/Es resigning/retiring as a result of the tax fiasco

How or whether this affects KA was not discussed, but I have a horrible feeling that the KA 747 is going to 'Ogilvied' before becoming HKG based Asia only........