Why would you come to CX?
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From: usa
Why would you come to CX?
I have been struggling with this question recently. As a 747 pilot, I see all my peers around me becoming demotivated and depressed. I am astounded that pilots are still applying and coming to Cathay Pacific.
I have to witness the pure disrespect that the company is showing every pilot and cabin crew, including me. It is disgusting that the managers of flight operations are allowing this. They should be ashamed of themselves.
There is right and wrong in life and what is going on in CX at the moment is WRONG.
If any new pilot is thinking about Cathay Pacific as a future employer. I beg you to reconsider. You will be treated like rubbish. You will work hard to become a professional in your flying career only to be ignored and overlooked.
Seniority means absolutely nothing. The amount of upgrades that are happening out of seniority is unbelievable. This does not just affect a person's goodwill to the company but affects his earning potential, staff travel priority etc. Fleet transfers are no longer done fairly and openly but it's done at the behest of the company. They have ruined so many lives and caused countless stress to their pilots and cabin crew.
If you join as a DEFO, be careful with all the lies you are told. You will eventually have to accept that this is a company that will throw you under the bus if needed.
If you are joining as a SO please understand that you will sit for many many years before you get taken seriously. You will be abused by the rostering system and not have control of your life.
If any member of the AOA or the FAU is reading this, please let's all band together and formulate a plan to put an end to this madness. Your members are paying you to protect them and give them sound advice. Why are you not doing so?
In my eyes both the union and company are to blame.
All this I have written above is in my honest opinion and what I have observed recently.
I have to witness the pure disrespect that the company is showing every pilot and cabin crew, including me. It is disgusting that the managers of flight operations are allowing this. They should be ashamed of themselves.
There is right and wrong in life and what is going on in CX at the moment is WRONG.
If any new pilot is thinking about Cathay Pacific as a future employer. I beg you to reconsider. You will be treated like rubbish. You will work hard to become a professional in your flying career only to be ignored and overlooked.
Seniority means absolutely nothing. The amount of upgrades that are happening out of seniority is unbelievable. This does not just affect a person's goodwill to the company but affects his earning potential, staff travel priority etc. Fleet transfers are no longer done fairly and openly but it's done at the behest of the company. They have ruined so many lives and caused countless stress to their pilots and cabin crew.
If you join as a DEFO, be careful with all the lies you are told. You will eventually have to accept that this is a company that will throw you under the bus if needed.
If you are joining as a SO please understand that you will sit for many many years before you get taken seriously. You will be abused by the rostering system and not have control of your life.
If any member of the AOA or the FAU is reading this, please let's all band together and formulate a plan to put an end to this madness. Your members are paying you to protect them and give them sound advice. Why are you not doing so?
In my eyes both the union and company are to blame.
All this I have written above is in my honest opinion and what I have observed recently.
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From: reality
I have been struggling with this question recently. As a 747 pilot, I see all my peers around me becoming demotivated and depressed. I am astounded that pilots are still applying and coming to Cathay Pacific.
I have to witness the pure disrespect that the company is showing every pilot and cabin crew, including me. It is disgusting that the managers of flight operations are allowing this. They should be ashamed of themselves.
There is right and wrong in life and what is going on in CX at the moment is WRONG.
If any new pilot is thinking about Cathay Pacific as a future employer. I beg you to reconsider. You will be treated like rubbish. You will work hard to become a professional in your flying career only to be ignored and overlooked.
Seniority means absolutely nothing. The amount of upgrades that are happening out of seniority is unbelievable. This does not just affect a person's goodwill to the company but affects his earning potential, staff travel priority etc. Fleet transfers are no longer done fairly and openly but it's done at the behest of the company. They have ruined so many lives and caused countless stress to their pilots and cabin crew.
If you join as a DEFO, be careful with all the lies you are told. You will eventually have to accept that this is a company that will throw you under the bus if needed.
If you are joining as a SO please understand that you will sit for many many years before you get taken seriously. You will be abused by the rostering system and not have control of your life.
If any member of the AOA or the FAU is reading this, please let's all band together and formulate a plan to put an end to this madness. Your members are paying you to protect them and give them sound advice. Why are you not doing so?
In my eyes both the union and company are to blame.
All this I have written above is in my honest opinion and what I have observed recently.
I have to witness the pure disrespect that the company is showing every pilot and cabin crew, including me. It is disgusting that the managers of flight operations are allowing this. They should be ashamed of themselves.
There is right and wrong in life and what is going on in CX at the moment is WRONG.
If any new pilot is thinking about Cathay Pacific as a future employer. I beg you to reconsider. You will be treated like rubbish. You will work hard to become a professional in your flying career only to be ignored and overlooked.
Seniority means absolutely nothing. The amount of upgrades that are happening out of seniority is unbelievable. This does not just affect a person's goodwill to the company but affects his earning potential, staff travel priority etc. Fleet transfers are no longer done fairly and openly but it's done at the behest of the company. They have ruined so many lives and caused countless stress to their pilots and cabin crew.
If you join as a DEFO, be careful with all the lies you are told. You will eventually have to accept that this is a company that will throw you under the bus if needed.
If you are joining as a SO please understand that you will sit for many many years before you get taken seriously. You will be abused by the rostering system and not have control of your life.
If any member of the AOA or the FAU is reading this, please let's all band together and formulate a plan to put an end to this madness. Your members are paying you to protect them and give them sound advice. Why are you not doing so?
In my eyes both the union and company are to blame.
All this I have written above is in my honest opinion and what I have observed recently.
it’s fine to complain about the company but to tell others not to join while you refuse to leave is nothing short of hypocritical. The AOA is only as strong as its members - if you aren’t willing to take action - you are part of the problem.
Joined: Dec 2020
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From: HK
Why should you stay at CX? For all the reasons you listed it makes zero sense for any rhyme or reason that you continue to take a flogging from Cx management and give them exactly what they want; an employee that will take any and all abuse and complain a little but still get the job done. I should say I’m proud that you’ve managed to last this long. After signing COS18 in late 2020 my foot was already out the door and leaving was the best career decision I made. I do wish you and your fellow employees the best for the future, I hate seeing my fellow brothers and sisters exploited by garbage employers.
Joined: Jul 2010
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From: Asia
1. Currently out of work with no other prospects.
2. Better than your current job.
3. Get the type rating, some time on type and move on.
4. Been turned down by the airlines you really wanted to work for.
2. Better than your current job.
3. Get the type rating, some time on type and move on.
4. Been turned down by the airlines you really wanted to work for.
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From: Asia
Why did you do an early freighter command?
Why did you go into training?
Why did you go into training against the training ban?
Why did you do an STC upgrade?
Why did you do a BTC upgrade?
Why did you do closed loops?
Why did you do “Team B” despite the fatigue?
Why did you request W patterns on the A340 when there was so little long haul available and you weren’t a commuter?
Why did you join without ARAPA in 2010?
Why did you join with HKPA in 2014?
Why did you join on Cos18?
Never ask a question with ”why” in CX or in HKG
Why did you go into training?
Why did you go into training against the training ban?
Why did you do an STC upgrade?
Why did you do a BTC upgrade?
Why did you do closed loops?
Why did you do “Team B” despite the fatigue?
Why did you request W patterns on the A340 when there was so little long haul available and you weren’t a commuter?
Why did you join without ARAPA in 2010?
Why did you join with HKPA in 2014?
Why did you join on Cos18?
Never ask a question with ”why” in CX or in HKG
Joined: Nov 1999
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: UK
How bizarre that people are trashing this OP for trying to help other pilots !
If genuine; this OP is trying to offer advice, based on what they are experiencing on the inside of this airline. They themselves might be trapped and not able to leave right now - they might have children going through college, or a mortgage to pay off, or only a couple of years left before they retire. Hard to leave that and start again at the bottom maybe.
But they are trying to warn others about the current employment situation in this company, and some people are having a go at them for it ??
(I would however, suggest that the OP write directly to their union rather than ask their union for action via this website. Maybe they have tried that already.)
If genuine; this OP is trying to offer advice, based on what they are experiencing on the inside of this airline. They themselves might be trapped and not able to leave right now - they might have children going through college, or a mortgage to pay off, or only a couple of years left before they retire. Hard to leave that and start again at the bottom maybe.
But they are trying to warn others about the current employment situation in this company, and some people are having a go at them for it ??
(I would however, suggest that the OP write directly to their union rather than ask their union for action via this website. Maybe they have tried that already.)
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From: here
I have been struggling with this question recently. As a 747 pilot, I see all my peers around me becoming demotivated and depressed. I am astounded that pilots are still applying and coming to Cathay Pacific.
I have to witness the pure disrespect that the company is showing every pilot and cabin crew, including me. It is disgusting that the managers of flight operations are allowing this. They should be ashamed of themselves.
There is right and wrong in life and what is going on in CX at the moment is WRONG.
If any new pilot is thinking about Cathay Pacific as a future employer. I beg you to reconsider. You will be treated like rubbish. You will work hard to become a professional in your flying career only to be ignored and overlooked.
Seniority means absolutely nothing. The amount of upgrades that are happening out of seniority is unbelievable. This does not just affect a person's goodwill to the company but affects his earning potential, staff travel priority etc. Fleet transfers are no longer done fairly and openly but it's done at the behest of the company. They have ruined so many lives and caused countless stress to their pilots and cabin crew.
If you join as a DEFO, be careful with all the lies you are told. You will eventually have to accept that this is a company that will throw you under the bus if needed.
If you are joining as a SO please understand that you will sit for many many years before you get taken seriously. You will be abused by the rostering system and not have control of your life.
If any member of the AOA or the FAU is reading this, please let's all band together and formulate a plan to put an end to this madness. Your members are paying you to protect them and give them sound advice. Why are you not doing so?
In my eyes both the union and company are to blame.
All this I have written above is in my honest opinion and what I have observed recently.
I have to witness the pure disrespect that the company is showing every pilot and cabin crew, including me. It is disgusting that the managers of flight operations are allowing this. They should be ashamed of themselves.
There is right and wrong in life and what is going on in CX at the moment is WRONG.
If any new pilot is thinking about Cathay Pacific as a future employer. I beg you to reconsider. You will be treated like rubbish. You will work hard to become a professional in your flying career only to be ignored and overlooked.
Seniority means absolutely nothing. The amount of upgrades that are happening out of seniority is unbelievable. This does not just affect a person's goodwill to the company but affects his earning potential, staff travel priority etc. Fleet transfers are no longer done fairly and openly but it's done at the behest of the company. They have ruined so many lives and caused countless stress to their pilots and cabin crew.
If you join as a DEFO, be careful with all the lies you are told. You will eventually have to accept that this is a company that will throw you under the bus if needed.
If you are joining as a SO please understand that you will sit for many many years before you get taken seriously. You will be abused by the rostering system and not have control of your life.
If any member of the AOA or the FAU is reading this, please let's all band together and formulate a plan to put an end to this madness. Your members are paying you to protect them and give them sound advice. Why are you not doing so?
In my eyes both the union and company are to blame.
All this I have written above is in my honest opinion and what I have observed recently.
Grow a pair and leave.
Joined: Mar 2016
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From: Rabbit Hutch
Pilots used to leave a command in their home country to come to Cathay as an FO. It was a highly sought after and desirable airline to work for. They now give give up a Cathay command to return home to an FO position.
I think that just about sums it up.
I think that just about sums it up.
Joined: Feb 2018
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From: Oxford
What's everyone's opinion on the impeding mainland invasion of Taiwan and the implication that has on not just CX as a business, but HK as a whole? Aside from the behemoth of toxic reasons I read on this forum, the mainland's recent escalation is enough to put me off from wanting to move out there.
Joined: Jan 2024
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From: Hong Kong
What's everyone's opinion on the impeding mainland invasion of Taiwan and the implication that has on not just CX as a business, but HK as a whole? Aside from the behemoth of toxic reasons I read on this forum, the mainland's recent escalation is enough to put me off from wanting to move out there.
Also consider the significant risks of escalation in the Gulf area, in South Africa, in Mexico/Venezuela/South America, in Europe/Ukraine. In the end a question of where you are right now and how you assess the risk at your home I would say.I recently flew with a Ukrainian, a Filipino and a guy from Simbabwe. I don't think they are as concerned about Taiwan as others..
Last edited by Meursault; 1st February 2024 at 09:33.
Joined: Jan 2023
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From: dubai
Those who said EK earn more than CX are just liar. They dont know how low EK pay is. For those who are interested in CX , please keep applying. Big changes coming soon after task force set up by govt and CX. They will take everybody.