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Hong Kong to Further Tighten Quarantine Requirements.

Old 18th Nov 2021, 09:13
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They are not excessive, they are simply decent and designed to treat staff as a valued part of the airline.”

I suggest you have a long think about that line cause as a pilot at Cx you’re absolutely no valued part of this organisation.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 10:35
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Then what exactly are these standards? Because in all these years in aviation I have heard many different answers, spoken and unspoken, from the spoken just "good sleep" to the unspoken "tequila on the beach".

I have stayed at the Sheraton and the Steigenberger and was quite happy, perhaps a little bored at most. No I would not take my wife (I have no ex wife) to the hotel, as our holiday standards are different from work standards.
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Old 18th Nov 2021, 10:43
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Define serious breach please.
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 08:07
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Some good news

Some good news. 111 aircrew released from quarantine after it was established that the three crew with Covid had left the FRA hotel.
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Old 20th Nov 2021, 23:36
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yeah great news. They sacked the 3 and are looking into all crew nightstops in the last 6 months to see if there’s been any transgressions. Best hope you don’t bank with HSBC and paid for that beer outside the hotel on your card…
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 00:20
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Singapore aircrew are required to wear an electronic wrist tag during layovers, similar to the ankle bracelet worn by people on bail. It's called the "Crew Safe" system. I wouldn't be surprised if the Hong Kong authorities introduce something similar. If you leave your room for 5 minutes to fill up the ice bucket it will flag up.

A contract with an airline for crew accommodation is a valuable source of income to a hotel, particularly at the moment, so a request for access to CCTV footage of the hallways around the rooms where crew have stayed would likely be granted. European data protection laws would come into this but probably wouldn't help much if matters were decided in Hong Kong.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 04:19
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I really wouldn't be worried about "the last 6 months" in fact I wouldn't be worried about a few weeks ago. We all know CCTV footage is on a loop and erased depending on the size of the recording system, probably every few days. And credit cards? I'm pretty sure a company or anyone is not allowed to just access your finances to sniff around. The best they can do is chat to staff and ask if they know anyone whos broken the law. The 3 that were fired were to set an example and instill fear in the rest of us..
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 04:36
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What German Laws did they break?
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 05:57
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Picture this. You’re in a hotel in a non-locked down country and it’s 3am local time but you’re HUNGRY. Room service - Not available. Food delivery - not available. 24 hour convenience store a 5 minute walk away…

Not saying that was the situation faced by the three pilots on this occasion but there are valid reasons to leave your room. Crew Safe tag and all

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Old 21st Nov 2021, 08:18
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Who cares what YOU need? Fresh air? Forget it. Freedom? Forget it. Food? get serious, you have three options - baked beans vomit with hash browns, chinese bat congee and something undescribable. Enjoy it and don't question authorities.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 11:28
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Why doesn’t the company run crew in a closed loop for a two or three months at a time , purely on a voluntary basis of course . In return you get to add the same length of time to your annual vacation
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 11:46
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No one is daft enough to agree to that long locked away. Flying once a week and sitting in the Headland isn't an enjoyable experience. Imagine extending that out.

The best way to crew it right now to keep everyone happy is reverse basing. They already have a massive surplus of willing volunteers to live in the USA and operate freely back to HK.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 12:11
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The scenario you just outlined has a clear cut solution in the relevant FON.

Please don’t overcomplicate.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 12:20
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CX has become the Mary Celeste of aviation. Reverse basing will not work because the company has already blotted its copy book with every jurisdiction it operated bases. The crews are all ready for a straight jacket and in need of anti-depressants. Two or three month closed loops would have to assume massive numbers of family breakdowns. A strong case for a claim to the UN for Human Rights abuses. Move the freighter operation to Subic for 6 months is the most sensible option.
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 14:19
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VR-HFX. Subic, now we’re talking! But how many family breakdowns will that lead to?
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Old 21st Nov 2021, 17:21
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Yup. I’ve been working under various versions of Layover FON for 20 months now. I’m pretty familiar with it.

Item 7. If permitted by local public health regulations and policies, the following essential activities are allowed to ensure that basic food and medical needs are met:
If room service and food delivery service are not available, collecting take-away food for consumption in your hotel room.

So in my scenario it is specifically permitted to leave your room. Not sure which part you are reading.

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Rumours have it that this years 13th month will be announced this coming Friday, and that a special ex gratia payment will also be made to all eligible staff: half basic salary or HKD 8000, whichever is lower.

Pilots however, are excluded, as next years pay increase will take place with the January salary, as follows: a surprise 18% for captains, 28% for FO’s and up to 30% for all SO’s

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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 14:12
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Yes… also from reliable source from the top echelon that CX will start using a new power plant for our A50 fleet in 2022.

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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 22:24
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Really? Why should pilots and crew have to go through such nonsensical 20 months after this ‘pandemic’ started? Get a grip!

My sincere condolences to the CX & KA pilots who have to suffer HK’s [email protected] pandemic response!
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Old 22nd Nov 2021, 23:00
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And just when you thought that things couldn’t possibly get any worse:

SCMP - Coronavirus: tighten airport measures, Beijing delegation urges Hong Kong in inspection visit over border re-opening:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...racing-efforts

“The team warned that the current policy of exempting aircrew members from quarantine “might need further review” after three former Cathay Pacific pilots arriving from Germany were confirmed as infected, according to the source.”
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