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Old 27th Sep 2021, 12:05
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KA also had around 50+ pilots on COS18Ö including those fresh cadets joined as KA SOs for less than 2 yearsÖ all with actual RHS P1US hours..
On the other hand, out of the 100 redundant CX SOs, most of the locals were recalled already with a start date. Some of them havenít even passed ground school yet..
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 13:10
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Pilot shortage ? Cmon guys, this is ridiculous.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 13:19
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I think itís called irony. You may like to try it.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 13:31
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Apparently the Immigration Department was far from impressed to learn about the companyís revolving door of hiring ex-KA crew while kicking Cx crew onto the street and somehow justifying that circus act as to why it was necessary to employ foreigners.

As for the company losing pilots at an unsustainable rate, where is one shred of evidence that management seem in the slightest bit concerned? There are 400 citizens/permanent residents who are volunteering to do anything from loops to extended duties who are being told in the bluntest means possible to not let the door hit them in the arse on the way out.

CX has always had a crisis management mentality. The board/expenditure review committee will first learn of a pilot shortage when planes are parked against fences and hotel rooms are being booked for passengers. The chances of that scenario ever happening again at CX arenít exactly high. Even this management isnít so incompetent as to not see that.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 15:38
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Progress Wanchai, you give CX management too much credit. Never underestimate the stupidity of the FILTH. Driven by sociopathic zeal and greed, they’ll stop at nothing, even as the last funnel of the ship disappears beneath the waves.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 16:13
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Globocnik

I think you are mistaken, they are serious.
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Old 27th Sep 2021, 18:23
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Well then. Lord help them.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 02:25
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Piet Lood

Bravo mate. Bravo. Not much to add except you're right and always have been. Anyone thinking otherwise is a CX stooge and apologist. The airline is a bloody wreck. The vast majority of the pilot group are stressed to the max. How anyone can even remotely suggest otherwise has their head clearly stuck up CX managements azz. Sheesh...

Sam Ting Wong

Holy mutha of all nonsense. You must be on some high end drugs mate. This is probably the most ridiculous thing Ive ever read as it relates to HK. You're plying a first class troll trade. You in charge of the troll academy? I have no words. 🙄
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 07:16
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Well a lot of Flame & misinformation in this thread. The DFO himself said today no visas haven't been extended and they aren't aware of any issues or concerns around visa extensions.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 08:57
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Where? Too busy being training having broken the ban and dashing in to help with the loop.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 12:16
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Drc40


https://asianaviation.com/boeing-rem...lish-on-china/

https://www.pwccn.com/en/aviation-le...l-aviation.pdf


https://www.colliers.com/en-de/downl...a-8230896d5945

https://www.pwccn.com/en/research-an...-bay-area.html

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...-en-190415.pdf

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...and-us/253160/


You could either study reports by economists and aviation specialists including Boeing, educate yourself on numbers at play, evaluate population wealth projections, acknowledge the shift of a billion people into middle class consumption areas and so forth. Or you can continue with the old lamentation how all it ends in tears when the yellow man doesn't listen anymore to the white man.

Entirely your choice.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 13:47
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Itís just that CX wonít be around to be part of it.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 17:40
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how all it ends in tears when the yellow man doesn't listen anymore to the white man
Which is what this is all about. Hong Kong just went back to China, and unless Hell freezes over there is no way Cathay will be allows to continue operating as a bastion of expatriate mercenaries. It's just not going to happen because it implies that westerners do a job the Chinese can't.

Expats are fine as pure manpower - seatfillers if you will. They've been flying on the mainland as such for decades, But not as owners, not as managers, and certainly not as imported expertise.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 18:27
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Except that expats know wtf they’re doing. In the main.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 18:47
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Locals (in HK, China and elsewhere) know wtf they're doing. In the main.

Your point being?
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 18:50
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Hold on to that thought.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 19:13
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You got some better qualifications than locals? If you think you are better than local, you can always go back to your home country and don't set a foot in HK. What's the big mystery about it?
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 19:17
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Globocnik

Hehe. And you think that Beijing would tolerate - or oven humor - such a proposition?

Since you're obviously not familiar with China, then perhaps you might look at the Soviet Union under the Cold war for a parallel. Everything Soviet was proclaimed superior; cars, ships, aircraft, spacecraft, military technology and - most importantly - society. To admit that the capitalists, in their plunge towards darkness, could produce anything of value was a threat the structure of the entire system and ferociously denied.

It's the same this time around.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 19:24
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Joke made by the miners crew chief drafted in to Pripyat. After yet another communist up.
“What’s as big as a house, burns 20 liters of fuel every hour, puts out a -load of smoke and noise, and cuts an apple into three pieces? A Soviet machine made to cut apples into four pieces!"

And I’m fully appraised, and indeed experienced enough of, the joys of the Cold War. And other wars for that matter. And quite familiar enough with China. Which frankly, can keep its virus. Oh too late. Thanks.
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Old 28th Sep 2021, 19:26
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lee_apromise

Sorry. I think I get the cut of your jib. Then again English wasn’t my mother tongue.
Yes I have way better qualifications than many of the locals. And I am back in my home country. And very glad to be out of that dystopian goat
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