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Old 22nd Apr 2021, 20:37
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OED needs to be updated/corrected.

permanent
adjective
  1. lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely, with the exception of Hong Kong 'Permanent' Residence, and Cathay 'Permanent' Bases...

https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/services/roa/loss.html
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 01:57
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A lesson for all the younger crew to not think of this as a career airline as you see now 1st hand that this Company will drop you at anytime no matter your loyalty, years of service position or how good of a job you have done. Any major airline in the world will treat you a 100 times better and that goes for a lot of flying jobs out there where they actually appreciate you so dont wait around for the time they decide to drop you. Zero security zero seniority equals Zero career
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 02:00
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Not even one pilot I met in cx not planning to leave, even local cadets. Good luck CX
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 02:12
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If anyone is still under the illusion that there is someway of establishing a career to support, nurture and protect themselves and their families...I can only hope you seek therapy asap. CX is not establishing themselves as arguably the most destructive force in modern aviation.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 02:53
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doublelift

Interesting to know how many you have met, just to add a little context.
Was it two or perhaps even three.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 03:05
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When you fly with guys and gals and talk to them about the POS18 we were strong armed into signing, more often than not everyone has plans to either, relocate their families back to their home countries and commute, leave for another airline once the industry opens up, pursue non aviation roles..... the list goes on and on.

One out of ten would say they’re going to stay and go down with the ship or until they get thrown overboard by the captain (I.e management).
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 03:12
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You sound like the type of pilot that sit silently with no body wanna talk with you. Go talk with people and you will know loll
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 07:46
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Originally Posted by badge42 View Post
OED needs to be updated/corrected.

permanent
adjective
  1. lasting or intended to last or remain unchanged indefinitely, with the exception of Hong Kong 'Permanent' Residence, and Cathay 'Permanent' Bases...

https://www.immd.gov.hk/eng/services/roa/loss.html
That word leaves a lot of wriggle room!
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 08:14
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Yes. Very true!
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 09:25
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Commiserations to all involved in CX. Not surprised though.
Out of interest whats with this 36 months for the life of the PR? Is this new? I left HKG at retirement in 2007 and passed through in 2012 using my PR. Is it a new thing? Personally not concerned as I am not ever planning to go back. just curious. Hardly a "Permanent" residency.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 10:08
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Deja, it's the right of abode vs the right to land if you pass the time requirements. It still allows you to work in Hong Kong. You end up losing voting rights and medical benefits.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 10:23
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What about those that do have PR but don’t want to abandon their families for what could be a year and then after that have to try and commute.......
Not to mention under Cos18 as soon as they start in HK they can then be sacked on 3 months notice ( not 6 ) and not even get a ticket home......

Untenable position to be put in.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 14:27
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Cathay will eventually figure out that they could be on the hook for 4 weeks of severance per year of service if they can’t offer the guys jobs in HK. There are a lot of 30 year Capt’s on the base. That could get more expensive to close then to keep open, but that’s not the way it works at CX. They usually just make decisions and follow through regardless.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 15:25
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Do you not think that was already taken into account prior to any announcement?
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 15:53
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A company burning billions a month figure they might as well do some house cleaning while waiting for the storm to pass. Severence pay - while certainly significant for the individuals concerned - amounts to no more than decimals in the big picture.
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 19:14
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They will come, hat in hand, for another 40 billion HKD of the generous tax payers money, watch this space!
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Old 23rd Apr 2021, 23:14
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Company waits for Immigration Dept to stop issuing work visas, then closes the bases. Experienced guys down the road, even though their contracts still have redundancy FILO.

Talk of consultation is a lie, it's just box ticking to comply with NZ and Aussi law, the decision has been made.

Talk of bases in the future is also a lie, put out to trick the idiots who still think they have a future at CX.
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Old 24th Apr 2021, 01:38
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Bellcrank88, the contract is pretty clear (I have it), its 6 months pay & you are gone in the even of redundancy (you can go back if you have PR). The union will ask for more but that will be futile. Even if you had PR (which I do) how could you go back ? They just can't be trusted, going back would likely prove to be foolish & regretful. I would envisage 3 months on the current half pay deal and then "goodbye" anyway. HK & CX are not ever going to be the same again. Take the six months & put these toxic liars in the rearview. How many times do Pilots need to be lied to before finally learning the lesson. Just a few weeks ago they phoned all Aussies telling them they were "backing us for the long term & working on a return to work with a comprehensive training package". Aussies waited & bided their time for a year, thinking the company was playing the long game, then got cut off with 2 weeks notice. 500 triple seven guys & all without a Permenent HKID will be next

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Old 24th Apr 2021, 03:52
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I remember that email with something along the line of “Bases are integral to our operation”. I laughed knowing the only integral part of the company is how many senior execs can screw the company, get their bonus and move on without a care in the world.

it’s a kin to someone setting fire to an orphanage and saying “I saved those kids from a lifetime of heartache”
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Old 24th Apr 2021, 11:28
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Surprisingly this weeks "The Weekly Wrap Up" email didn't mention Base closures and staff being unloaded...
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