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Contract Compliance Cancelled

Old 4th Oct 2020, 15:39
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Originally Posted by Sam Ting Wong View Post
I think you are both fully aware of the implications ;-)
No, I don’t know the implications, hence the questions about what your bloody point is ;-)

As for 19 years ago: how long ago did they tear up your rostering practises, because they couldn’t get their way in “normal” negotiations (if there ever was such a thing)?
Speaking of which: whatever happened to that court case in which cx was challenged for not following the HKG labour laws any more (1 in 7) ;-)
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Old 4th Oct 2020, 16:25
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Originally Posted by OK4Wire View Post
Interesting take on that. I would have thought complying with the terms of your contract was a legal requirement, not dictated by a union leader.
Exactly my point. So when the aoa says “end of contract compliance” WHAT DOES this actually mean?
Are they now saying that their legal team told them that we don’t have to? and if I did, will they expel me from the aoa?

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Old 5th Oct 2020, 01:44
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 02:30
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Contract compliance is doing the same thing that the union is doing...nothing at all
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 03:26
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Originally Posted by Angel 8 View Post
Exactly my point. So when the aoa says “end of contract compliance” WHAT DOES this actually mean?
Are they now saying that their legal team told them that we don’t have to? and if I did, will they expel me from the aoa?
Why don’t you walk into their offices and ask them what it means.
It always amazed me how many of us are/were not able to read between the lines and understand there are/were certain things they couldn’t put down in writing.
But what I really don’t understand is that how few of us could have been bothered to find out.
It’s only your career and earnings we’re talking about.
All these “great” ideas that are coming out now that cc is over.
Have you ever talked to your union rep about it?
Oh no, I forgot, they are and always have been useless.

@STW: sorry, my glasses must be really thick, because I still don’t get your point. Must be me.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 03:47
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Originally Posted by Slasher1 View Post
Jimmy was right.

Although it's a little known fact that he lived well into old age mostly in a houseboat on Lake Erie graciously provided by Anthony Provenzano. With the agreement he keep a low profile.

He did have Elvis over a few times though.
The "snowflakes" don't know who Jimmy Hoffer was !
Now if Jimmy had been running the HKAOA ........................................... !!!
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 05:03
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
The "snowflakes" don't know who Jimmy Hoffer was !
Now if Jimmy had been running the HKAOA ........................................... !!!
Hoffa, not Hoffer...

I guess the implication is that anyone who joined post 49ers should have known exactly what they were joining
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 05:42
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Thanks Freehills, now I get it.
So you think STW also infers those people should just STFU and let themselves be steamrolled into bankruptcy (like cx did to some UK-and Australian based guys when they illegally took control of their tax affairs and gave them illegal directives to finalise their tax affairs in HKG)?

But in that case, he’s contraDICKting himself.
Why would the people who we KNEW mistreated their pilot population so badly, give those same pilots 25% more salary just for playing nice?

STW, like you, I am sick of tired old arguments, but from my vantage point it is YOU who keeps spouting the same old bullshit over and over.
My salary slip wouldn’t include 25% more money if we wouldn’t have been in cc all these years.
Neither you nor I can prove our theory, because it’s all “ancient” history now, but let’s see what happens now that cc is over.
With your stellar argumentation we should all get a 25% payrise in the upcoming 5(?) years?
Oh wait, COVID; there’s always an out for people like you. Are you Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz?
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 06:33
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Originally Posted by Freehills View Post
Hoffa, not Hoffer...

I guess the implication is that anyone who joined post 49ers should have known exactly what they were joining

Yes HOFFA Sorry my spellcheck gone bananas.
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Old 5th Oct 2020, 06:57
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Originally Posted by unitedabx View Post
Yes HOFFA Sorry my spellcheck gone bananas.
Seriously. You can transfer your pilot skills to being a spell checker. Stimulating debate beyond you. Spellcheck please.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 09:43
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So why did J.Lo lose the job and why did plenty of us freighter pilots tow the line by going to the airport in the middle of the night, although the flight was cancelled/delayed again ?

I failed to see the purpose then and I fail to see the purpose now.



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Old 11th Oct 2020, 10:29
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Originally Posted by Frank W. Abagnale View Post
So why did J.Lo lose the job and why did plenty of us freighter pilots tow the line by going to the airport in the middle of the night, although the flight was cancelled/delayed again ?

I failed to see the purpose then and I fail to see the purpose now.
About the fired colleague, I believe the words the company used were “wilful neglect”
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 13:26
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And now, the union agreement is cancelled too, along with all the other agreements.
This Friday... That Friday... Halloween? It doesn’t really matter anymore.
The company will publish their plans sooner or later, some disappointments, some expected, and some surprises.
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Old 14th Oct 2020, 14:15
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Originally Posted by Angel 8 View Post
And now, the union agreement is cancelled too, along with all the other agreements.
This Friday... That Friday... Halloween? It doesn’t really matter anymore.
The company will publish their plans sooner or later, some disappointments, some expected, and some surprises.
It does matter to some of us. Announce the decision and let us get on with our lives.
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 05:41
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Any Nigerians or West Africans affected in CPA?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 06:03
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Originally Posted by pfvspnf View Post
Any Nigerians or West Africans affected in CPA?
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what on earth does that have to do with anything?
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 06:12
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it affects how they process the 419 scam going forward
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Old 15th Oct 2020, 06:50
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 01:41
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Still waiting for my transparent, see through, not quite there, “free” HKAOA lanyard reflecting the end of recognition and TB/CC.
Are we still meant to be wearing the red one?
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