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CX management. Moral Turpidude

Old 23rd Jun 2020, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Zapp_Brannigan View Post
Economy before lives. You guys must be Americans.
As long as it doesn't happen to you, you don't care.

The governments obviously took the right decision to lockdown, at the time, in order not to overfill the medical services.
The death rate was kept low BECAUSE the hospitals were running at or under full capacity.
The mortality displacement so far is 23% in the USA and 50% in the UK!
That's probably the real toll on lives. Not the official numbers issued by the governements.
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Wrt your first statement, how ridiculous! As if all Americans are the same. Clearly there are differing views in America right now, or have you not been watching the news.

Secondly, the economy is directly linked to lives, and health, and wealth. If you’re too stupid to recognize that, just stop reading.

Lastly, your comment about mortality displacement is relevant. That does matter, especially over time. What’s the mortality displacement over the next 1,3, and 5 years? Think the economy might have something to do with that? I certainly do.

Sadly, epidemiology is more utilitarian than rights fundamentalism, more triage than specialized care. In this case, I think most developed countries epidemiologists have overshot precisely because they don’t understand the economy. Maybe that can be changed going forward in the future.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 00:56
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Covid cases ??

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Flex. The reason that covid cases are at a "record"...is that they are completing more tests each day. Ergo, you end up with more identified cases. Not exactly rocket science.


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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 02:34
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Flex...the number of cases is rising because they are doing far more testing. The death rate is decreasing, and is almost the same as a regular flu on a worldwide basis year on year. If you want to argue that fact...be my guest. HK has had 5 deaths....almost a statistical anomaly. They didn't need to collapse the economy and restrict peoples freedom over this. Again, what if another virus shows up in Sept....shut down another 4-5 months? Obviously wouldn't happen. That being a given fact, then why did we do so this time? History will be the judge, but it's quite obvious to many this is an event of mass hysteria driven mainly by a politically focused media that had one goal in mind. The numbers will eventually tell the truth.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 02:46
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ChinaVirus - the gift that keeps on giving

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Flex...the number of cases is rising because they are doing far more testing. The death rate is decreasing, and is almost the same as a regular flu on a worldwide basis year on year. If you want to argue that fact...be my guest. HK has had 5 deaths....almost a statistical anomaly. They didn't need to collapse the economy and restrict peoples freedom over this. Again, what if another virus shows up in Sept....shut down another 4-5 months? Obviously wouldn't happen. That being a given fact, then why did we do so this time? History will be the judge, but it's quite obvious to many this is an event of mass hysteria driven mainly by a politically focused media that had one goal in mind. The numbers will eventually tell the truth.
I'm with you on - they never should have shut down the world.. That said, they did and it's all over but the crying.
If you watch the video, GLOBAL cases are on the rise. 1, due to testing however 2. due to those actually catching and being under doctors care.. If a case shows up next week at a hospital or doctors office it's not due to testing which is what they indicate and articulate in the video..

All that said, as cases continue to rise globally, and CX is a 100% global airline, I see much pain ahead.. Sad and unforgivable on many levels..
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 03:57
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Originally Posted by Slasher1 View Post
Lol.....you gotta love the internet.

One of the few places that a person with little knowledge and no real study of history can proclaim blind trust in faceless entities who've been consistently wrong with their 'models' and then go forth to proclaim others 'morons.'
Excuse me, I thought I'd already explained to you why your positions are incomprehensible in this thread. I have not made a single statement about what should or in fact should not be done about COVID-19. Why I hear you ask? Because I don't know what the best way forward is. And I'm OK with that. I don't need to, or pretend to, be a subject matter expert on every single topic known to man. But, luckily Slasher1 is here. The saviour of good and common sense, maybe he can guide humanity through this exceptionally complex multi-variate problem and come up with a solution. That's because Slasher1 is a learned man, indeed. A student of history no less. We need more people like you, really. I would like to see you go to Italy and explain to them how the old COVID-19 is all a hoax. Maybe you can recommend to them to do less testing, that way they'll have fewer cases.

Let me tell you, in the real world we laugh about people like you. You can call me a snowflake all you like, I reserve the right to call you a moron.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 05:11
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Some of the rhetoric is becoming a bit emotional. Governments haven’t “shut down the economy”, but they did put restrictions on certain industries, most of which have now been lifted. Unrestricted travel is still some way off though. That may mean certain adjustments will need to be made for most of us in the travel industry, but life will go on. It may be in a different house or a different school. It may mean we are the ones receiving social security instead of contributing towards its financing. But life goes on.

The fact is the world economy was in ICU leading into 2020. It was spluttering along despite record debt being financed by record low interest rates which simply lead to record high asset prices. A reset has been overdue since we failed to do so in 2008/09.
Ask yourself, was Shazza and Gazza from Wollongong taking a ski holiday in the middle of summer or a beach holiday in the middle of winter financed by their overinflated house price the new normal? Or was it a temporary blip that was never previously normal and won’t be again? Is burning 500 tons of fuel to get 100 tons of cherries from South America to China the new normal? Or was it pure gluttony and greed that should never be considered normal? Countries, industries and individuals will have to adjust. If it wasn’t COVID-19 it probably would have been something else. Globalization was an experiment that was already failing except for the asset holders. Hence the rise of leaders like Trump.

So we are now faced with two vulnerable groups of citizens. The elderly who are at risk of catching a potentially fatal disease and the mentally weak who are at risk from themselves. Helping one does not mean risking the other. But help doesn’t necessarily mean giving someone what they want, but what they need.

It’s times like this we actually discover our real selves and what’s important to us. We discover our real families. We discover our real friends. We discover what’s truly valuable and what isn’t. No one that matters cares about the house you live in, the uniform you wear, the car you drive, the school the kids go to, the club you belong to, the paycheck you earn or if you’re the beneficiary of a social welfare system.

Some senior pilots around here seem to enjoy referring to the younger generation as snowflakes. Yet when faced with losing their imaginary self esteem or illusionary place in society are the first to melt.

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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 10:32
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Mate of mine rapidly easing out of his local lockdown has, throughout, asked all he knows ; "Do you know of anyone who got the virus ?" Not one. "Do you know of anyone who got the virus and died OF the Virus, not "with" the virus ?" Not one . Where he lives, retirement Village, 4000 ex-pat retirees. All ok. Not ONE got the virus or knew anyone who did and/or did & died. He now knows of ONE who did test positive but has yet to establish whether that ONE case had "underlying health issues" .

Now that Governments know how easy it is to control & lock-up most compliant and herd mentallity beings who will readily spy on each-other and look about at fellow neighbours to ensure observance of banging tin pots against the wall in support of, aaaaaaah, can't believe I'm falling for it, the NHS !..............The second wave IS coming.......... But, this one is far more sinister.
(from Benny and Joon You're out of your tree.

Maybe your mate needs to get out more....!

I'll see your story and raise you.

Mate of mine is a trained medical professional, focus on respiratory diseases, no less. Employed for many years in a large public hospital in a large US city, LA to be precise. Not many with such credentials hanging out in this message board, are there?

Has witnessed, worked on, worked with literally hundreds and hundreds of COVID19 cases on a daily basis for the past several months. Has watched most of them walk out just fine. Has watched hundreds of them being zipped into sealed biohazard bags. Has had the conversations with their families about why there will not be any "normal" funerals. Has literally been there, done that and has the records proving it. No bullshit.

Sure, some of the "reaction" of the governments and various official bodies could be better called "over reaction". To imply that it's all some kind of scam makes one wonder about the mental competence of those implying it. Maybe brain damage from ingestion of household cleaners...?

Anyway, we're a long way off of the thread of this thread aren't we? Can we get back to focusing on how highly we regard CX mgmt?

Pleeeeease.
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Old 23rd Jun 2020, 12:45
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"Do you know of anyone who got the virus ?" See above vid..
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 00:27
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So anyone who joined on B scale is a hero and anyone who joined on anything later has dragged down pay and conditions. Gold.

Apartments in Hong Kong are crazy expensive but my mate who is a cadet for QF bought 100 sqm in Sydney beside the Sydney Harbour Bridge last year easily on his S/O package. And my other mate who flies a turboprop at a new job for a BA feeder just bought in London 2br right in Kensington. Property so cheap everywhere, in every city but Hong Kong. More gold.

CX need to fire people, why haven’t they yet? The best thing an airline can do is fire people. Even more gold.

The crazy situation we’re in seems to suit the idiots on the forum.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 07:23
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I see they are still doing JFO upgrade training. As long as that's happening it will be very difficult to justify any redundancies. So train away CX!
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 08:15
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I see they are still doing JFO upgrade training. As long as that's happening it will be very difficult to justify any redundancies. So train away CX!
Won’t be necessary to justify anything. They’ll just do it. And do it with the tacit support of government.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 11:11
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I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
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Couldn’t agree more.
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 12:03
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I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
agree completely!
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 12:32
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I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
yes agreed.......
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 13:07
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Agree. I wouldn't want to work anywhere else right now. (I never thought those words would utter from my gob).
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Originally Posted by Busbitch View Post
I don't particularly like CX management, they have let me down a lot over the years & I don't trust them, but in the case of Covid19 downturn I gotta give it to em' I reckon they are doing a Stirling job. When I see what's happening around the world at places like Emirates, I say CX might just be the best Airline in the world to be at right now. People getting sacked left & right with no notice or redundancy but CX are working super hard to keep their heads above water & that ain't easy.
All I'll say is you're kidding yourself... Buckle up baby !!!
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Old 24th Jun 2020, 16:18
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Hahaha, you guys and gals are stupid, ridiculous, Stockholm Syndrome jokes. Loving CX in HK right now is like loving Hamas because you live in Gaza. Both are running their respective outfits into the ground. It only takes the tiniest bit of perspective to see that.

Keeping “the team” together right now is quite literally retarded. What happened to that sentiment when CX let go of over 600 ground staff in HK and many more at the outports over the last few years? Are y’all that myopic? You think they aren’t coming for us? Get a clue! Get ready for a fight, if you have any in you???
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What fight do you propose having ? Given that the AOA are holding a 2 and a 7, off suit ?
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What fight do you propose having ? Given that the AOA are holding a 2 and a 7, off suit ?
Don’t devalue yourself to nothing. We (CX/KA Pilots) worked our asses off for the last decade while CX gambled away all the profits to fuel hedging losses and attacked our contracts. Nearly every other airline was making record profits and billions of dollars. CX managed this airline into a quagmire, and that holds true today. Defend your contract! Make them offer a sign or be fired POS and make them suffer the morale and performance consequences if they do. Pilots are only temporarily out of demand. Once this virus is gone, the demand for pilots goes right back to where it was. The demographics are, finally, in our favour.
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