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Base Training, Command Courses, POS18 and job cuts

Old 20th May 2020, 08:46
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the company will be hammering the force majeure scenario to wriggle out of contractual obligations like night follows day
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Old 20th May 2020, 08:58
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Originally Posted by JMock View Post
the company will be hammering the force majeure scenario to wriggle out of contractual obligations like night follows day
I feel sorry if your contract encloses a "force majeure" clause. Mine doesn't.

​​​​​​I actually agree that they can actually do what they want. But in the end, it's going to be up to a judge to decide if what they did was legal or not.

In the Paris base closure scenario, not only did it cost the company millions, it also cost two managers their job.

​​​​​​Hopefully, the remaining managers learned from their predecessors' mistakes.
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Old 20th May 2020, 18:37
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..."managers learning from their mistakes"....! You DO know which airline we work for don't you??
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Old 24th May 2020, 15:32
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Originally Posted by Pickuptruck View Post
So in summary, the company should have laid off guys a while ago, the more the better. Aviation is starting up again so best they lay them off before they need them. BA and it’s competitors in Europe aren’t laying off based on seniority, they’re doing whatever they need or want to do and BALPA can’t stop it.

But here in Hong Kong, the average more senior ppruner thinks - follow seniority, lay-off lots so the company is saved and I keep my job but btw don’t downgrade me.
No, many senior ppruners may think; I've been in this industry a long time, taken my licks. Some have had several furloughs in previous lives. Some even ended up here at this god forsaken place over them. Maybe they are thinking; When is it my turn to benefit from hard earned seniority? Yeah I know, what selfishness huh?

And then you have the participation trophy entitled kid on the bottom of the list that thinks that life's setbacks don't somehow apply to him too. Well, maybe they won't and don't with the perverted system we have in place here and you will get off light, but as far as it concerns me, don't expect that I'll be picking up your tab too. I already paid my dues here and elsewhere. More than once. It is your turn now. Sadly.

Welcome to the industry.

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Old 24th May 2020, 18:03
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Very eloquently stated Vtwin. Sadly, the logic and poignancy of what you explain will be lost on the "entitled generation", and our cynical management will use that very same logic against us in the coming weeks. As William Wallace once cried....Freedom ! (and ultimately that means exiting this toxic place).
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Old 24th May 2020, 22:42
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Wallace didn't cry for freedom on the internet and then compromised in real life.
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Old 24th May 2020, 23:48
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I'm sure you are without sin. Got it.
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Old 25th May 2020, 14:21
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Just to be fair, many are understandably worried and reacting to a very frightening potential here. I thought the world revolved around me too when I faced my first furlough and I wasn't that reasonable about discussing it with some senior peers while having a young family, but I did survive.

Most all the DEFO's I've flown with have real heart with the job and some made sacrifices just to come to HKG for a better shot at life despite joining on COS18. With all the stigma those senior to them assign to it and sadly to some of them.

Before I throw a stone at them for degrading my "conditions," I'm reminded we all joined on and continue to accept degraded conditions to work here. Unless of course I was one of the first A-Scalers who fortunately got paid like a banker, which of course I am not.

Yeah freedom from CX servitude, just imagine...

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Old 25th May 2020, 14:27
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Well, it was only fair....we produced more than banker w*nkers. (and obviously still do, and always will).
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Old 25th May 2020, 14:48
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I agree, people are still responsible for how they react under pressure. I won't be missing some here when I bolt and I'm certain that thought is likely mutual with them too. I don't think CX entirely produced them though, many came with the material to work with and end up in checking and checking and beyond. CX just refines the bad potential, steps out of the way and lets them wreak havoc as unsupervised playground bullies. Bullies trying to overcompensate for some really deep issues, like faulty wiring or horrible nurturing while the capable and well-adjusted suffer for it.

Fortunately, some like NH for example get so butthurt when they don't get their promotion they leave, but sadly become someone else's problem somewhere keeping an ample supply chain of broken nitwits "trained" and coming. Many here should have lost their CRM license and been banned from the industry entirely. Many.

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